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Future 787 Routes?

Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:05 am

Since the 787 now is in service I think that a thread about possible future routes is in order.
First of all, maybe someone could be so kind to post who have ordered the aircraft and how many?
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:12 am

JNB-MIA, MIA-NRT, LAX-BLR, SYD-ORD, GRU-SYD, HNL-LHR/FRA, SIN-SFO, SEA-SYD, AKL-ORD to name a few I've read about here on A.net.
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:59 am

Received an email from my ANA Mileage Club a couple of days ago.

Frankfurt will have the ANA 787 from Haneda beginning of January.

NH204 Frankfurt Haneda
NH203 Haneda Frankfurt

http://eur.ana.co.jp/public/read_mes...ssionid=0;apw60?sigreq=-1753478153

http://www.ana.co.jp/wws/news/b787/en/

     
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:45 am

I would say SYD-HNL with JQ
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:11 pm

Quoting robbie86 (Thread starter):
Since the 787 now is in service I think that a thread about possible future routes is in order.

When and who put a 787 in service prior to delivery?

Monday September 26, 2011 is the delivery date of ANA's (the launch customer) first 787?
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:17 pm

AI planning DEL-MEL no date, and JL confirmed NRT-BOS fron April.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:32 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 4):
Monday September 26, 2011 is the delivery date of ANA's (the launch customer) first 787?

The aircraft was formally delivered to ANA yesterday, Sunday, Sept 25th, when all the paperwork and money exchanged hands. The aircraft as of then is owned by ANA not Boeing. On Monday is only the party, and on Tuesday ANA will fly her home.

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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:06 pm

DEN-NRT is a good bet for next year.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:14 pm

SJC-NRT on ANA is rumored.

Apparently, ANA has been talking to the city of San Jose, who has been eager to regain a non-stop to NRT since AA discontinued it in 2006. This was recently discussed on another thread.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 2:42 am

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 3):
I would say SYD-HNL with JQ

Plus every other JQ route since they're sending their A332s back to QF as the 788s arrive -- they will eventually be 787 only for International. They will also gain 5-6 frames overall so we should see some new routes for them out of SIN (FCO? ATH? ADL?)
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:12 pm

Quoting airfrnt (Reply 7):

With who? NH? If so, there's been very little action on that front. DIA folks reached out to ANA a while back but as BoeingGuy said, it's been reported here that ANA has had repeated talks with the people who run SJC. One meeting very recently. I wouldn't make that bet on DEN.

With UA? Maybe, but probably not next year. It's hard for me to see DEN getting a ton of new UA international service anyway with 5 other better served international gateways to funnel traffic to.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:19 pm

Whats the delivery schedule? Who are next inline to receive their 787s?
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:19 pm

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 11):
Who are next inline to receive their 787s?

LAN
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:39 pm

What I hope for my hometown airport:
MSP-PEK (DL or China Southern)
MSP-ICN (DL or KE)
MSP-PVG (DL)

I'm sure not all of these routes would happen but those are the likely options (especially ICN).
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:51 pm

LAN plans on eventually deploying the B-787-8s on routes, i.e. SCL-LIM-LAX, SCL-MEX, GRU-LIM-SFO, GYE-MAD, LIM-MAD, etc.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:08 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
AKL-ORD to name a few I've read about here on A.net.

Add for the same reason, AKL-BOM.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:29 pm

Quoting af773atmsp (Reply 13):
What I hope for my hometown airport:
MSP-PEK (DL or China Southern)
MSP-ICN (DL or KE)
MSP-PVG (DL)

I'm sure not all of these routes would happen but those are the likely options (especially ICN).

Understood, but MSP already has a very generous lineup of overseas international flights for a city of its size.

NRT
LHR
AMS
CDG

For DL, I could see longer thinner routes like SLC-AMS, SLC-LHR (probably not both of them), PDX-LHR, PDX-CDG (one of them), SJC-NRT (wishful thinking), SEA-PVG, SEA-HKG
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:32 pm

I am still thinking the 787 will eventually make it'spresence felt in MCO. A few years down the line, but if the economics span out, it will be a great tourist transporter.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:45 pm

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 17):
I am still thinking the 787 will eventually make it'spresence felt in MCO. A few years down the line, but if the economics span out, it will be a great tourist transporter.

   Especially to thinner deep South American markets than GRU, like GIG or EZE or SCL* with Latam. However, like you indicated, I don't see these coming anytime soon.

*Sustained scheduled service to SCL, not the seasonal charters being offered this So. Hemisphre
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:49 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 1):
JNB-MIA, MIA-NRT, LAX-BLR, SYD-ORD, GRU-SYD, HNL-LHR/FRA, SIN-SFO, SEA-SYD, AKL-ORD to name a few I've read about here on A.net.

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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:56 pm

The poster-child city for the Dreamliner is SAN.

Depending on the final performance numbers Boeing establishes for their new baby, I am very willing to bet that the Route Development team at SDIA/SDCRAA will be all over several foreign flags (and, SJC aside, I'd bet a buck that ANA is real high on the list!) as to how soon SAN will be scheduled for nonstop service to Asia. (And I'm pretty sure that they won't turn up their noses at more Europe or South America service either.)

There's also a pretty wide-held belief that BA will probably put a 787 on the SAN-LHR route when the plane joins their fleet -- that is unless the capacity of the T7 is needed for the passenger and cargo loads!  

In any case, with the projected size of SAN's intercontinental markets, along with the terrain issues of Lindbergh Field, as I said, the 787 is exactly what San Diego is waiting for.

  

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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 9:58 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 14):
LAN plans on eventually deploying the B-787-8s on routes, i.e. SCL-LIM-LAX, SCL-MEX, GRU-LIM-SFO, GYE-MAD, LIM-MAD

so LAN is not planing on operating the 787 direct from SCL to Europe? Not even SCL- JFK/MIA??

Seems like they plan on hubbing the 787s at LIM. Why??
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:14 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 20):
There's also a pretty wide-held belief that BA will probably put a 787 on the SAN-LHR route when the plane joins their fleet

That was the original premise of the 787, that it would open up new long haul city pairs that can't be economically served today. Several of those come to mind like:

SAN-NRT
SJC-NRT
PDX-LHR
SEA-HKG
SLC-AMS
MIA-JNB (on AA)
SFO-SYD


And maybe maintaining existing service profitably like:

MEM-AMS
CVG-CDG
SAN-LHR
PDX-AMS
SLC-NRT
DFW-GIG
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:15 pm

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 21):
so LAN is not planing on operating the 787 direct from SCL to Europe? Not even SCL- JFK/MIA??

Of course LAN will operate the B-787s to Europe and also Oceania from SCL (LAN has 32 B-787s on order). The GYE-MAD and LIM-MAD routes currently operate with the B-767-316ERs and are weight restricted. LAN may eventually operate SCL-LAX-SCL 3x weekly year-round as well with the B-787-8. Flights such as SCL-JFK would require two B-787s since LAN operates nightly departures in both directions. LAN SCL-MIA operates in a fashion in which the a/c arrives into MIA very early and turns around at MIA and operates routes, i.e. MIA-BOG-SCL, MIA-CCS-SCL, MIA-CCS-GYE-SCL, MIA-CUN-SCL, MIA-PUJ-SCL, etc.

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 18):
Sustained scheduled service to SCL, not the seasonal charters being offered this So. Hemisphre

LA508/LA509 will not operate as charter flights.

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 19):
LAN SCL to LHR.

LIM-LHR, LIM-SYD, SCL-LHR and SCL-FRA have been analyzed by LAN as possible future routes. Also, many routes to Europe from SCL will operate via Brazil.

[Edited 2011-09-27 15:30:05]
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:30 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 20):
There's also a pretty wide-held belief that BA will probably put a 787 on the SAN-LHR route when the plane joins their fleet -- that is unless the capacity of the T7 is needed for the passenger and cargo loads!

BA could always add a second 787 out of SAN, at least on the busier days if slots are hard to find at LHR. I'm hoping for KLM 787's to AMS myself. The new terminal expansion will help open things up a bit too in 2013 as far as accommodating the 787's and international service. ANA to NRT will be tough. That flight is against the wind.
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:50 pm

Just to add some already announced routes:

IAH-LOS
IAH-AKL

Both will be UA (announced as CO), subject to change obviously.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:13 pm

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 24):
ANA to NRT will be tough. That flight is against the wind.

I don't have the performance or range data in front of me, but I would think the 787-8 could easily do SAN-NRT with a full payload.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:22 pm

Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 24):
BA could always add a second 787 out of SAN, at least on the busier days if slots are hard to find at LHR. I'm hoping for KLM 787's to AMS myself. The new terminal expansion will help open things up a bit too in 2013 as far as accommodating the 787's and international service. ANA to NRT will be tough. That flight is against the wind

Howdy D. Sure, 2 flights to LHR would always be OK!

Yes, even though the SDIA gang has moved their priority of new intercontinental service away from Europe for obvious reasons, there are the occasional tidbits that keep alive the thought of at least one more European carrier being interested in starting service at Lindbergh. Whether that carrier's language of choice is German, Dutch, or French is part of the ongoing discussion but it is interesting and fun...

Sure, a n/s to Asia from anywhere in So Cal is sometimes iffy but with lots of creative and determined minds at work, I'm sure some sort of workable arrangement can be found. If the will is there, along with the market, as it certainly was/is with BA, the 787 is by far the best thing around to help make it at least a possibility.

One final note on the SAN-situation. At the Sept 1 SDCRAA (monthly) board meeting, the CEO of the airport, Thella Bowens, made a couple of remarks regarding the certification of the Dreamliner and how SAN is very hopeful that this will open the door for additional opportunities for intl service here, in terms of not only the "a/c performance but it also is sized in a way that is a good fit for this market."

Good stuff!

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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:41 pm

It should be noted that LAN intends to receive 32 B-787 Dreamliners between 2012 and 2016. Also, LAN has 10 purchase options for the B-787 Dreamliners for 2017 and 2018.

Quote:
LAN will purchase 26 aircraft, and acquire 6 more via leasing contracts. The total investment will reach approximately US$ 3.2 billion. Additionally, the Board approved 10 purchase options of the same aircraft model for 2017 and 2018. This is the largest investment in the Company´s history and assures LAN´s future growth, as well as operating one of the world's most modern fleets.
LAN announces future incorporation of 32 Boeing 787 aircraft into its fleet
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:48 pm

Well it's on now! First dreamliner just landed in Tokyo. Can't wait to see how much this beautiful bird changes things, the routes will be the next 757, I think as it continues flying carriers will fully realize the planes true versatility will be. Who imagined TATL when 757 entered service? Keep the routes coming. All dreamers and dreamliners welcomed.
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:48 pm

Quoting Flyingsottsman (Reply 3):
I would say SYD-HNL with JQ

Is QF taking any up? Seems like the perfect solution for SYD-DFW (and the return leg, without stopping in BNE )  
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:54 pm

Quoting RWA380 (Reply 29):
Well it's on now! First dreamliner just landed in Tokyo. Can't wait to see how much this beautiful bird changes things, the routes will be the next 757, I think as it continues flying carriers will fully realize the planes true versatility will be. Who imagined TATL when 757 entered service? Keep the routes coming. All dreamers and dreamliners welcomed

A big    on this post, RWA'! There certainly are (well, "will be") plenty of Dreamliners to go around for many, many new markets.

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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:33 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 23):
LA508/LA509 will not operate as charter flights.

It's a de facto charter, even if they do offer EZE connections. The key phrase in my original post was "sustained:" operating for a few weeks over the So. Hemisphere summer is a de facto charter service.
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:52 am

Quoting MCOGVADCA (Reply 32):
It's a de facto charter, even if they do offer EZE connections. The key phrase in my original post was "sustained:" operating for a few weeks over the So. Hemisphere summer is a de facto charter service.

The service is marketed via LANTOURS and is available for sale via different distribution channels; including LAN.com. Should the service do well, LAN may operate it again during JUN-JUL 2012. Also, JJ could decide to decrease frequency on the GRU-MCO route in the future in order to increase frequency on an existing route or launch a new route from GRU; LP may indeed launch a LIM-MCO service year-round. Considering that LAN will receive 10 B-767-316ERs by the end of 2012, plus the B-787-8s which will free up additional B-767-316ERs. LAN finally has the opportunity to increase flights into North America and it's rumoured that new routes to North America will be announced after the regulation process between LAN and TAM is completed.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:02 am

32 787s for LAN? WOW.... I knew they had some 787s on order and that they were the largest customer in Latin America, but didn't know they had 32 coming, specially when they're still taking 767-300ERs
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:09 am

Quoting netjetsintl (Reply 34):
I knew they had some 787s on order and that they were the largest customer in Latin America, but didn't know they had 32 coming, specially when they're still taking 767-300ERs

The company has huge potential for growth in the coming years; especially when considering the combination with TAM and the new LAN HUB at BOG. This year, LAN placed two separate orders alone for the B-767-316ERs. LAN will receive 14+ B-767-316ERs by the end of 2013 as part of the companies fleet renewal and expansion plans.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:21 am

TOM is suppose to get the 787 around the start of 2012. I heard they was going to start up some new routes like LGW-HNL etc... but I don't think that will be for a while.
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:22 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 30):

787-8 doesn't have legs to do DFW-SYD. Hopefully 787-9 will.

Basically you can predict future 787 routes by looking at any route currently serviced by B767, B772, A330 or A340. All of these routes are naturally prime candidates to be replaced by 787 or A350 in the next 10 years. There is also the likelihood that airlines will use the extra legs available on the 787 and A350 to fragment their network and create new routes. This is harder to predict as it depends on how keen airlines are to fragment as well as capacity restrictions at various hubs such as JFK, LHR, SYD etc.
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:31 am

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 17):
I am still thinking the 787 will eventually make it'spresence felt in MCO.

VS will certainly use them to MCO when they get them.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 30):
Is QF taking any up? Seems like the perfect solution for SYD-DFW (and the return leg, without stopping in BNE )  

QF is getting 789s from 2014, but no 788s at this stage (all 15 are for JQ). I'm not convinced that it's the perfect solution though -- by 2014 this flight will be at daily, using either 744ER's via BNE or A380s nonstop, so the 789 probably won't meet the capacity needs of the route. That said I'd love for QF to open up a direct BNE-DFW-BNE flight, and the 789 would be ideal for that route.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:14 am

Many years ago, Virgin Atlantic said that the 787 would allow them to operate non-stop to HNL and PER from LHR. I know that is a long time ago, and things have changed.

However, will the 787(-9) have the legs to fly non-stop to PER both ways? According to gcmap.com, it is 7829 nm, which is a fair distance. Do Boeing still expect the 787-9 to make that range (without major payload restrictions)?

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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:37 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 39):
However, will the 787(-9) have the legs to fly non-stop to PER both ways? According to gcmap.com, it is 7829 nm, which is a fair distance. Do Boeing still expect the 787-9 to make that range (without major payload restrictions)?

This has just come up in another thread -- personally I don't see it working. The range might be there (maybe, but only if Boeing meets its initial targets which looks unlikely for now), but apparently there are major issues with the winds on the westbound leg. The cost of fuel is ever increasing, and the cost of running such a service would probably make it prohibitively expensive for the consumer (and hence wipe out any competitive advantage against the Asian/Gulf airlines). Add to that the fact the time saving would be a matter of 90 minutes, which really isn't long in the scheme of a 22 hour flight (it's not a LHR-JFK market where time is of the essence!). VS would also struggle (this is IMO) to capture the Australian based market, and for SYD/MEL/BNE/ADL customers (ie the vast, vast majority of the population) it still means stopping somewhere along the way. That's not to say I wouldn't love to see it happen 
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:41 am

AM: MEX-NRT, MEX-CDG, MEX-BCN.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:01 am

Quoting AM744 (Reply 41):
AM: MEX-NRT, MEX-CDG, MEX-BCN.

AM also indicated that the carrier will deploy the B-787-8 on the MEX-SCL route.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:34 am

hopefully LOT will bring it to chicago. so WAW-ORD
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:42 am

AC in the past have said the 787 is perfect for YVR-MEL
hopefully QF (not JQ) reinstate MEL-NRT when they take delivery of some of their own.
JQ MEL-LAS and SYD-LAS has surely got to be on the cards - no matter how high or low the AUD is against the USD, there's untapped direct market into Vegas and JQ would be the perfect fit.
QF back on SYD-SFO with a better sized aircraft, even MEL-SFO a few times a week to get the jump on UA.

and the elephant in the room: MEL-SYD.
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:26 am

Quoting tayser (Reply 44):
and the elephant in the room: MEL-SYD.

Probably within the 787's mission profile.  
 
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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:55 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 38):
QF is getting 789s from 2014, but no 788s at this stage (all 15 are for JQ)

The plan has changed several times, but my current understanding is that JQ get the first 15 B788. When the first 15 B789 arrive they go to JQ and the B788 are passed to QF. Subsequent B787s will go to both airlines.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 23):
LIM-SYD

I strongly doubt that LIM-SYD or SCL-SYD by a twin will be acceptable to the Australian authorities as it exceeds 180 min ETOPS (substitute your local name here). SCL-SYD MAY also run into the 60 degree South problem.

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RE: Future 787 Routes?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:57 am

AM will squeeze all the potential of the aircraft:

Current routes:

  • NRT-MEX.
  • CDG-MEX.
  • BCN-MEX.
  • EZE-MEX.

    Future routes:

  • PVG-MEX, replacing PVG-TIJ.
  • HKG-MEX.
  • PEK-MEX.
  • SYD-TIJ.

    I would say that those future routes are more suitable for the -9.

    Quoting SCL767 (Reply 42):
    AM also indicated that the carrier will deploy the B-787-8 on the MEX-SCL route.

    Not at first. MEX-SCL is a shorter hop, doable by a 763. Even a 757 can make it.

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    RE: Future 787 Routes?

    Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:59 am

    Quoting SCL767 (Reply 14):

    what about opening new long haul from Brazil, anything planned yet?
     
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    RE: Future 787 Routes?

    Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:13 pm

    Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 45):
    Probably within the 787's mission profile.  

    there's anywhere between 6-8 767s currently flying the route every day for the half-hourly frequencies on the route as is... and they're (767s) all going to be replaced, be it with a 330 or 787, you're more likely than not going to be able to fly on one easily (that is, not having to go on an international trip to get on one in Australia).

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