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Anyone Think As AA Disposes M80's G4 May Want Em?

Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:30 am

Just as the title says, as G4 constantly expands they would possibly want to add to their M80 fleet? I'm sure they would sell for a song. Or will those AA frames have too many cycles and in too bad of shape even for G4's needs. I'm sure some of the newer M80's will be the last retired. Doesn't G4 have a myriad of different variants flying currently?
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RE: Anyone Think As AA Disposes M80's G4 May Want Em?

Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:38 am

Allegiant have a lot of ex SAS MD-80s in stock already, some are parked and can either return in service or become beercans in the next few years. These SAS aircraft have fewer hours then the American birds which are being parked now and often had recent C-checks already. They seem to stabilize their fleet, it's around 45 active MD-80s for a while now. Maybe 5 to 10 more SAS birds will become active at the most.
They probably concentrate on making the 757 work and then look at replacements for the MD-80s instead, probably around 2017 a lot of cheap 738s start to become available. So all in all, I don't see them buying any AA aircraft.
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RE: Anyone Think As AA Disposes M80's G4 May Want Em?

Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:10 am

most will be scrapped/ some converted to freighters with a few stragglers going to South America, Africa and maybe russia/CIS in the hands of 3rd tier airlines trying to get a lot of plane for not much cash....

A few will go into service with corporations, sports teams and private ownership as VIP/Low density aircraft.
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RE: Anyone Think As AA Disposes M80's G4 May Want Em?

Mon Sep 26, 2011 11:56 am

Quoting RWA380 (Thread starter):
Or will those AA frames have too many cycles and in too bad of shape even for G4's needs


AA will be replacing enough airframes over the next few years that there will just be a glut of the frames in the used market driving the used airframe prices to near scrap value. AA did not fall off the turnip truck yesterday and will be retiring the airframes when they bump up against major checks, therefore, getting their last nickel of value from the aircraft. I am afraid that the used market for the MD80 will be quite depressed when the airframes would face a major check before use.

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RE: Anyone Think As AA Disposes M80's G4 May Want Em?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:24 am

I flew AA's MadDogs hundreds of times, if not thousands. I guess my first response would be that G4 can have the MadDogs, although I don't know why they'd want them. But before I get flamed, I will just state that imo these birds have done their duty and should be retired with whatever dignity can be afforded them.

These birds are part of another age, an age when flying was enjoyable and pax didn't have to reveal any anatomical secrets to government agents. I hope at least a few of these birds wind up in aviation museums. They did, after all, open the world of travel to millions of people.
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RE: Anyone Think As AA Disposes M80's G4 May Want Em?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:53 am

I doubt it. They've been run into the ground. There are better MD-80s out there for them if they need anymore.

Though AA did receive some well into the 90s, so some younger MD-80s are among their fleet. There may be a future for them, maybe not with G4, but I doubt they will be relegated to the scrap heap as fast as their older brethren, especially now that there are engine fittings that can up their engine efficiency by ~20% IIRC.

With airframes as cheap as they are, and the engine fittings, I have a feeling that the MD-80 will become a flagship for many a 2nd/3rd-tier or startup airline in the future. Not sure how much cargo life they have, as the fuselage really doesn't fit any major pallets like the 727/757/widebody frames do.

In other words - Oldies, done. Younger models, they'll probably end up somewhere else.

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RE: Anyone Think As AA Disposes M80's G4 May Want Em?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:43 am

I suspect they may pick up a few, if the price is right, for parts if nothing else.
 
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RE: Anyone Think As AA Disposes M80's G4 May Want Em?

Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:30 pm

I think AAs MD-80s will be well maintained, and a "catch". However I recall a quote from (I think) Bob Crandall, about the retirement of the B727s.

He said something along the lines of : "Next time we retire a large fleet of similar types, we will just scrap them and make sure they never fly again. It is getting annoying to have to compete against your own old aircraft, flown by anyone with a few dollars together."

This may well apply here.
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RE: Anyone Think As AA Disposes M80's G4 May Want Em?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:47 pm

Does G4 still fly MD-87s? If so, how many?
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RE: Anyone Think As AA Disposes M80's G4 May Want Em?

Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:46 pm

Are the rules with regard to maintenance checks enforced in places like Africa?

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