LGW
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Shortest Flight In The World

Wed Oct 04, 2000 3:11 pm

The shortest flight in the world is in the Scottish Higlands & Islands. Westray - Papawestray is a journey of 2 miles, and the record time for the journey is just 54 seconds! The journey is done by British Airways Britten Norman Islander.

LGW
 
777guy
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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Wed Oct 04, 2000 3:19 pm

Sounds like it would be cheaper to walk.Is this a staging flight?
 
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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Wed Oct 04, 2000 3:41 pm

This is true, but tha fligt is scheduled for 2 minutes. It is operated by LoganAir which is a franchise of BA. I looked up the price a while ago, and it was a silly price, I can not remember what it was but it was over 100 quid. Just to put this into prespective last time I took my 172 into LAX it took more then a minute for me to reach the end of the runway!
77Guy I think there is water in the middle so walking is quite tough!
Iain
 
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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Wed Oct 04, 2000 4:02 pm

So, are there any stops on the way? And how about service onboard? Do they get any hot meals? Inflight entertainment?

Don't ask...it's early over here...

/Danny
 
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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Wed Oct 04, 2000 5:04 pm

In the old days (don't even think about asking how I remember), Canadair used to move aircraft back and forth between their runway facility about a mile east of Montreal Dorval and Dorval. I think Canadair field was 10-28, and Dorval had the 24's L&R. That flight was short.

Best Regards,

Buff
 
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To Lainhold

Wed Oct 04, 2000 5:32 pm

actually I was trying to be funny.Sorry you did not understand.
 
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Lainhol

Wed Oct 04, 2000 5:36 pm

Sorry about misspelling your name.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Wed Oct 04, 2000 6:07 pm

Why do they have such a short flight???? Isn't there a boat or bridge which takes you towards the other part??

By the way?? what about the check-in times??
 
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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Thu Oct 05, 2000 8:11 am

The Westray-Papa Westray flight is not operated in isolation, it is part of a "round robin" schedule and that sector flies over the very rough arm of the North Sound between these two Orkney Islands.

I don't think there are (m)any pax just travelling between the two points in isolation. Both islands are reasonably remote and have their own populations who are dependant on the mainland and the larger Orkney Islands for supplies and their livelihoods.

Aer Arran operate BN-2 Islanders from Connaught Regional Airport in Galway to the Arran Islands in Galway Bay, off the Irish Atlantic coast.

The flights are scheduled and the one I took in July, to Innishmore, was booked as 6 minutes block to block and actually was in the air for 4 minutes - with less than 2 minutes taken with taxying and take-off/landing runs.

The aircraft then returned from whence it came.

I got a bus/air/bed and breakfast deal for £IR62 all in but the trip was spoilt when the return flight the next day was cancelled due to weather and we had to return to the mainland by ferry.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Fri Oct 06, 2000 12:39 pm

Danny wrote:
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So, are there any stops on the way? And how about service onboard? Do they get any hot meals? Inflight entertainment?
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Yep...it takes sixty trips to see the whole movie, so they can keep running the same one for years! And only one person in the bathroom per flight....      


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Lol

Thu Oct 12, 2000 4:25 am

Corey777 VERY FUNNY  
 
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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Thu Oct 12, 2000 4:39 am

Yep Buff is right Bombardier used to fly from Montreal Cartierville Airport to Dorval just under a mile.

Nicolas Bourbillon
Montreal, Canada
 
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Loganair's Orkney/Shetland Ops

Thu Oct 12, 2000 6:10 am

I remember a few years ago seeing a photo of a Loganair DHC-6 in either the Orkney or Shetland Islands, and it used to land and take-off on a beach.

Does anyone know where this was, and whether these "beach" flights are still operated?

Cheers

Scotty
 
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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Fri Oct 13, 2000 3:09 am

The only beach flights I know of are in Barra and the beach is still used as a runway today. Think they use 360's now. My Dad used to work there.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Fri Oct 13, 2000 3:42 am

G'day G-BEAK

Thanks for that mate.

Just one thing....where on earth is Barra? Is it on the mainland, or is it one of the islands?

Also with the aircraft used, are they specially protected against the elements, coz I could not imagine that beach sand would be the most ideal landing surface.

Cheers

Scotty
 
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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Fri Oct 13, 2000 4:04 am

Barra is one of the Islands of the Outer Hebrides. I think the sand is fairly compact from the tide. Scottish beaches aren't really renowned for fine golden sand and tropical climates! Probably the biggest hazzard is grazing sheep!
 
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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Fri Oct 13, 2000 1:20 pm

2 miles warrants a flight?? Why don't they just build a bridge between the two islands?  

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There's A 4mile Bridge In The US...

Fri Oct 13, 2000 1:30 pm

Actually there are dozens of miles-long bridges. BUT they tend to be REALLY expensive and I guess BA picks up a penny or two on this route.

As far as service goes they probably don't have any flight attendants or nothin'. I can imagine the speach,

"Please make sure you're electronic devices are turned off for takeoff and your seats and traytables are in their upright and locked positions before takeoff. Make sure all carryon baggage is stowed properly in the overhead bins which must be securely fastened or under the seat in front of you. Thank you, please make sure your seats and traytables are in their upright and locked positions for landing. Please stow any items you may have retreived during the flight and make sure your seatbelt is securely fastened as we come in for our landing. Thank you for flying BA."
 
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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Wed Oct 18, 2000 5:53 am

Dash8isgreat

From my post above, the explanation you need. Pls read, then you may understand  

"The Westray-Papa Westray flight is not operated in isolation, it is part of a "round robin" schedule and that sector flies over the very rough arm of the North Sound between these two Orkney Islands.

I don't think there are (m)any pax just travelling between the two points in isolation. Both islands are reasonably remote and have their own populations who are dependant on the mainland and the larger Orkney Islands for supplies and their livelihoods."

As for a bridge, there may be a few tractors on the islands but hardly any cars, so what would be the point of spending millions in a very remote and wild area?

This is aviation at its best, providing a social service.


Brissie_lions

Re Barra:
I don't think that there are any special protection measures, just regular washes. Flights to Barra have been taking place since the 1930s. DH Dragon Rapides were followed by DH Heron 1s in the 1950s and 1960s
and when BEA became BA Short 330s were used. These were followed by DH6s of Loganair who won the contract and now operate the route as a BA partner.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Wed Oct 18, 2000 1:43 pm

Ive seen shorter flights than that!

Take off, stall it, land again on the same runway!

What about the first ever flight, Wrights brothers, that took 12 seconds, alot shorter that your proclaimed 54 seconds.

What about planes that take off then crash straight away, they technically fly, but that flight lasts with in 54 seconds.

LGW, if your not getting stuck into people about homosexuality, your quoiting records that arnt even records.
 
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RE: PhilB

Thu Oct 19, 2000 1:29 am

Got it. I didn't figure that an airline would run a two-mile route by itself...

BTW: How much would that cost you to fly that route??

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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Thu Oct 19, 2000 1:38 am

as$hole (TAA Airbus)--. flights that take off and land on runways (different from the one they took off from 30sec. ago.) (or in this case, areas of land designated as runways) .

By the way ... what if the islands had ILS... then you could lock onto it before you left the gate. HA!
 
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How About The Navigation?

Thu Oct 19, 2000 2:44 am

Hi,

I wonder how do they navigate on this route. I understand there are not much to do and so, but how about in the fog? Do they use ATC? Sounds bit funny for a scheduled route.

By the way, the shortest flight between two capitals is Helsinki-Tallinn and it's operated by Copterline of Finland.


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RE: Shortest Flight In The World

Thu Oct 19, 2000 2:47 am

Dash8isgreat,

Have a look on the British Airways website. If you go into the bookings page, you should get some sort of answer.

Suggest you try Glasgow - Papa Westray as your routing.

Velocityair