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Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:01 am

Emirates, the largest international airline, said it will add flights to Seattle and Dallas, taking the number of U.S. destinations served to six as it seeks to channel Asian and Middle Eastern traffic via its Dubai hub.

Emirates will begin daily services to Dallas starting Feb. 2 and to Seattle from March 1 using Boeing Co. 777 widebody planes, President Tim Clark said in an interview. It already operates to New York, Houston, Los Angeles and San Francisco.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...tle-dallas-flights.html?cmpid=yhoo

I didn't expect these two cities to be their next US destinations. Interesting.

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Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:04 am

Now that is cool!

Speaking about DFW, it was only a matter of time until Emirates or Etihad added a flight to DFW - the market is demographically large and growing, economically strong (relatively speaking), and has a substantial market especially to India and South Asia. This may be the straw that breaks the camel's back for KLM or Lufthansa, though - both airlines have struggled since AA/BA got their ATI/JV and bolstered DFW-LHR, and I'm not sure if the market will grow sufficiently large sufficiently quickly to support not only 8-9 daily flights to Europe, but also now a nonstop to the Mid East.

SEA is also logical - I understand the tech market back and forth with India is huge, and this will definitely provide tons of new connections.

Awesome!

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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:06 am

Can't say I saw this one coming! DFW was on the short list of potential new US destinations for EK, but I figured SEA would be four or five years down the road...they should do well here with outstanding first/business product and connectivity to India. Really nice surprise to hear this!

So, when do we hear the news about the AS-EK codeshare?  Smile

*Edited for spelling

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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:07 am

Not surprised about DFW, but I am surprised about SEA. Well, at least wasn't expecting SEA so soon.

Where next for EK, don't think they're done yet for this year (possibly no more USA, but other destinations).

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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:30 am

Schedule:

Dallas (From 2nd February 2012 until 10th March 2012)

DXB-DFW 02:45-09:05 16hrs 20mins D 77L
DFW-DXB 11:50-12:20 + 1 14hrs 30mins D 77L

Dallas (From 11th March 2012)

DXB-DFW 02:45-10:05 16hrs 20mins D 77L
DFW-DXB 12:50-12:20 + 1 14hrs 30mins D 77L

Seattle (From 1st March 2012 until 10th March 2012)

DXB-SEA 09:50-13:10 15hrs 20mins D 77W
SEA-DXB 17:10-19:40 + 1 14hrs 30mins D 77W

Seattle (From 11th March 2012)

DXB-SEA 09:50-13:50 15hrs D 77W
SEA-DXB 17:25-18:55 + 1 14hrs 30mins D 77W
 
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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:39 am

Where is Miami in Emirates plans ? DFW surprises since EK flies to Houston. Seattle could be " the next best thing" to serving Vancouver since Canada has been so anti-Emirates.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:39 am

Welcome to SEA EK! I do hope they do some kind of EK/AS code shared flights especially PDX, as there is Intel, Nike and Adidas here. Among several other specialty hi-tec firms. I think a codeshare with AS, brings the entire NW to EK's door. Or maybe they could just run a quick 30 min tag run down to PDX, though it would be the first Intl carrier to fly this tag. I suspect there would not be enough year round traffic to make it worth all the extra fuel and crew rotations. Therefore as AS are liberal with their codesharing, I'd expect EK to codeshare partner with AS.

Who knows, maybe EK has already started the process, which is why the SEA announcement came as a surprise to us and before other destinations that seemed more probable, like MIA or ORD.

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Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:45 am

I am not surprised whatsoever, but I am surprised they come before Chicago, Miami and/or Washington.

But Seattle and Dallas aren't it. One more U.S. city will be announced shortly:

Quote:
The carrier plans to start flights to Dallas and Seattle from its Dubai base early next year, boosting the number of destinations in what has been its fastest-growing market to six from four, with another yet-to-be-identified destination to be announced shortly.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/emi...es-2011-09-28?reflink=MW_news_stmp



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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:14 pm

Flight EK221 serves DXB-DFW, 16h 20m
Flight EK222 serves DFW-DXB, 14h 30m
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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:20 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
But Seattle and Dallas aren't it. One more U.S. city will be announced shortly

I bet this is Miami. Washington (especially) and Chicago have more competition for EK's core business.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:24 pm

Anyone figure the third, to be announced city will be one of the more expected cities? I say ORD. Or as I suggested in my previous reply, they will add a PDX tag on the SEA flight. Big grin

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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:28 pm

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 9):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
But Seattle and Dallas aren't it. One more U.S. city will be announced shortly

I bet this is Miami. Washington (especially) and Chicago have more competition for EK's core business.

Maybe, but I can't see Miami coming before Chicago. Then again, I would never have seen Seattle and Dallas before Chicago, either.

I know EK officials and MIA officials have met very recently and talks were apparently going very well. An MIA delegation was in Dubai at EK HQ just a few months ago, in May, IIRC.
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:41 pm

Wow I never thought this day would come. EK just suprised us all.
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:57 pm

No doubt Emirates got rebates, free landing fees for a year or two from DFW to get things started... more action in Terminal D!

I wonder how much traffic goes from DFW-IAH-DXB currently? Probably just a handful of folks a day? I wonder how EK will hurt LH and KL (their planned spring return) on Indian connections...
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:59 pm

And another great route opportunity gone for AA...DFW-DXB that is...
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:03 pm

I love EK and I'm so glad they are expanding to DFW. I know they will be successful here and wouldn't be surprised if this becomes an A380 a few years from now.

I am however, surprised that they are using the 77L instead of the 77W. I knew they had some slack in their 77L operations, but committing planes for a daily flight over that distant is quite a bit. After they add this, does anyone know how many more long haul routes EK could launch with its existing 77Ls?
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:04 pm

Quoting AAExecPlat (Reply 14):
And another great route opportunity gone for AA...DFW-DXB that is...

How? The traffic flows that AA and EK would/will serve on DFW-DXB are totally different. AA's massive hub is at DFW and EK's is at DXB.
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:19 pm

At some point, EK will basically force its competition to react. EK can afford to expand during an economic downturn. Other carriers may be too late to the party if they are waiting for the economy to rebound before new flying is done.

The trend will show us that KL's huge transfer traffic at AMS is under major assault. Same for LH and BA. But we know KL's AMS transfer traffic is its bread and butter.

DL will have to restart non-stop US-India flights to remain viable against EK. (which ironically would also hurt its partner KL @ AMS).
East-Africa should also be on DL's to-do list. (e.g. NBO if issues get resolved).

EK is making sweat bullets in many airliner board rooms.

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Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:21 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
SEA is also logical - I understand the tech market back and forth with India is huge, and this will definitely provide tons of new connections.
Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 2):
I figured SEA would be four or five years down the road...they should do well here with outstanding first/business product and connectivity to India.

How much of the SEA-India market is not Microsoft, who flies on Delta and got their second SEA-AMS flight the last few years?
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:35 pm

The ultimate *major city* battle between EK and the other major carriers of the world: 1 or 2 connections?
EK is seeking to make earth mostly a "one connection" travel endeavor while the competition, at this pace, is increasingly looking at offering the world on "two connections".
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:44 pm

And so the territorial land grab continues. What's the third US city to be launched for 2012?
I think EK may have caught EY sleeping on DFW and went for it. I was very convinced that EY would fly to DFW before EK, and now I wonder whether EY may ever enter the market. I know that while load factors out of DFW should work, these forums have often discussed that premium yields have been questionable at DFW in the past. I wonder what changed?

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 15):
I am however, surprised that they are using the 77L instead of the 77W.

I think it may be a range issue. I know that IAH, despite its success, only sees 77L 2x daily, and the LAX 77W takes weight penalties.

As for SEA, I'm not as familiar with the market beyond technology and tourism(which are both very strong), but given a catchment area that may YVR, this route should probably be okay.

Anybody want to take bets on where EY and QR go now? I wonder if one of them will claim ATL, MIA, BOS, or what about DEN?
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:44 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
I am not surprised whatsoever, but I am surprised they come before Chicago, Miami and/or Washington.

Hadn't even thought about that...the fact that these routes were announced before ORD (in particular, but all seem like more obvious destinations) is really surprising.

Quoting simairlinenet (Reply 18):
How much of the SEA-India market is not Microsoft, who flies on Delta and got their second SEA-AMS flight the last few years?

For one thing, SEA-AMS is only 2x daily in the summer and for another, SEA-AMS-BLR never materialized as announced some years ago (it was to be a NW route before the merger). Microsoft is hardly the only employer in the Puget Sound region that attracts Indian talent/travel--granted, it's heavily high-tech, but it's not just Microsoft.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:51 pm

Quoting peanuts (Reply 19):
The ultimate *major city* battle between EK and the other major carriers of the world: 1 or 2 connections?
EK is seeking to make earth mostly a "one connection" travel endeavor while the competition, at this pace, is increasingly looking at offering the world on "two connections".

Can you explain? KL from SEA can offer one-stop connections over AMS to most places business travelers fly to. No need to transfer over both AMS and CDG. Most international carriers fly nonstop from most cities served by EK from the US to Europe and offer transfers to the same cities. In this case, the issue at hand is excess capacity. There's no way there is enough demand from SEA to places in the Middle East and India to fill a daily 777 and drive significant revenue. The effect on revenue for UA/LH/DL/KL will clearly be negative as they compete to fill the plethora of seats available. Your earlier reply on the AMS hub was spot on; any ideas on how KL/AF might react?
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:53 pm

I understand the 77W would take a bit of a hit in penalty due to the range, but I figured it's shorter than LAX and I didn't know they still had that much slack in their 77L fleet. Since DFW is shorter than LAX, would it not make since to make the 2nd flight at LAX the 77L and move the 77W to DFW?

Either way, the 77W is going to take a hit, but I would guess it would take less of a hit on the DFW leg since it is shorter...am I wrong?
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:53 pm

Quoting AAExecPlat (Reply 14):
And another great route opportunity gone for AA...DFW-DXB that is...

Hardly. DFW-DXB was never an opportunity for AA - that is a market AA would never have flown. The way DFW was going to get a nonstop flight to the Mid East was always going to be either an Emirates or Etihad flight to either DXB or AUH, respectively.

Quoting blink182 (Reply 20):
I think EK may have caught EY sleeping on DFW and went for it. I was very convinced that EY would fly to DFW before EK, and now I wonder whether EY may ever enter the market.

I, too, must say I'm surprised it was Emirates instead of Etihad. Given Etihad's codeshare with AA, I thought they were more likely to launch DFW.

Now with Emirates in the market, I would be surprised if Etihad entered - I firmly believe the market can support one nonstop route to the Mid East, but not two.
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:01 pm

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 22):
There's no way there is enough demand from SEA to places in the Middle East and India to fill a daily 777 and drive significant revenue.

You really think that EK decided to serve SEA before ORD, MIA and IAD without analyzing the prospective profitability of the route? I'm as surprised as anybody by this announcement, but it's pretty clear that the folks over at EK know what they're doing. If they couldn't make money with a daily 777 on SEA-DXB, they wouldn't start the route.

Granted, we're talking about EK...the prospect of anyone else making money on a SEA-India/ME venture is another story entirely...
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:09 pm

Quoting blink182 (Reply 20):
I think it may be a range issue. I know that IAH, despite its success, only sees 77L 2x daily, and the LAX 77W takes weight penalties.

Only sees? 2xdaily IAH-DXB would deserve a little better verbage than 'only'. EK has swapped the 77W for the 77L frequently on the route, albeit at a payload hit.
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:17 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 23):
Either way, the 77W is going to take a hit, but I would guess it would take less of a hit on the DFW leg since it is shorter...am I wrong?

You may very well be right; I'm no expert on range numbers, so I could never go into specifics. My reasoning is that LAX is already proven, hence they added a 77W, whereas DFW is unproven and therefore warrants the smaller aircraft. Could that be right? Seeing that SEA gets the 77W, I wonder if EK's DFW flight means that 77Ls will be fully utilized to the extent that scheduling allows?

Drerx--the "only" was in reference to the 77L, not the 2x. I realize it wasn't well worded.

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Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:17 pm

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 26):
Only sees?

I think you missed his point. As far as aircraft size, IAH can support larger aircraft, but as far as range, it really needs to be the 77L if the airplane is to go out full.
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:22 pm

Quoting blink182 (Reply 27):
My reasoning is that LAX is already proven, hence they added a 77W, whereas DFW is unproven and therefore warrants the smaller aircraft. Could that be right?

That fits EK's typical practice.

With so much expansion to far-flung US destinations, they're going to need to upgrade the MTOWs of more of their 77Ws. Currently only a few of them are at 775,000 lbs.
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:24 pm

SEA!?

I can't wait for EK to begin A380 service to SAN. If SEA's on the list, surely SAN can't be far behind!
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:28 pm

Quoting AAExecPlat (Reply 14):
And another great route opportunity gone for AA...DFW-DXB that is...

EK may be doing some pe-emptive strikes. If MIA is announced I would say definitely pre-emptive against AA

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 25):
If they couldn't make money with a daily 777 on SEA-DXB, they wouldn't start the route.

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Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:28 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 23):
would it not make since to make the 2nd flight at LAX the 77L and move the 77W to DFW?

I think they need the seats on LAX. That's the whole reason they didn't go 77L on both LAX flights all along. On DFW, they can do with fewer seats, but fill the plane full with cargo and passengers, where as on LAX, they need their most capable 77Ws to take a cargo hit, and fill the seats with bodies. Different markets, different aircraft, different needs. You can see the similarity with the IAH route. That's my take on it...

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Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:40 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 1):
both airlines have struggled since AA/BA got their ATI/JV and bolstered DFW-LHR, and I'm not sure if the market will grow sufficiently large sufficiently quickly to support not only 8-9 daily flights to Europe, but also now a nonstop to the Mid East.

I think KL will go before LH if for no other reason than the O/D market is larger in FRA than AMS. Once KL leaves the market, LH should be fine still. Yes, they'll have to contend with EK on connections to the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent, but in exchange, they'll have one less airline to compete against for destinations in Europe that still require a connection ex DFW, because no one in their right mind, save for the most die-hard a.net addicts, is going to fly a DFW-DXB-MUC route, that is if EK even offers it (I wanted to look at a QR IAH-DOH-BRU routing once for kicks, but QR wouldn't do it).
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:46 pm

Start sending an A380 to chicago
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:49 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 31):
EK may be doing some pe-emptive strikes. If MIA is announced I would say definitely pre-emptive against AA

I don't think EK needs to worry about AA...they're much, much more likely to launch this route first and even if they are the second carrier to arrive at the party, their product is going to win. Be that as it may, I'd be surprised if EK doesn't launch MIA within the next year. Same goes for ORD.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 31):
C A R G O

Hadn't thought about that, but that's a good call. The cargo revenues on this flight should be substantial, though I'm still a bit surprised they're apparently putting a 77W on the case...

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 30):
I can't wait for EK to begin A380 service to SAN. If SEA's on the list, surely SAN can't be far behind!

The fact that there's an ice cube's chance in hell of SAN seeing A380 service (by anybody) aside, I'm curious as to your reasoning here. SEA wasn't on anybody's list of potential short-term new destinations for EK and will probably be the smallest U.S. market they serve for some time to come (just going by MSA stats, the next smallest are MSP, SAN, STL, TPA and BWI...). While the SAN market is only slightly smaller than SEA, it doesn't exactly have a proven track record of sustaining (or gaining) service from international carriers...I'm not trying to toot our horn too much, but that's clearly not the case in SEA. Is there a compelling business case that I'm not aware of here?
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:52 pm

I was just looking on the EK website for DXB-SEA roundtrip but it only shows me the westbound journey. Eastbound it sends me through SFO or LAX. Anyone know why?
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:03 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 35):
SEA wasn't on anybody's list of potential short-term new destinations for EK and will probably be the smallest U.S. market they serve for some time to come

Non-stop from Microsoft's home office to Microsoft's largest office outside the US. That alone should be worth a few premium seats at the very front of the plane.

On the cargo side, Amazon and Starbucks should be good for a few pallets each.

I'm not saying the route will be printing money, but it might make sense after all.

Emirates isn't known for launching routes at random. Whether it is one of the above or something else, I would bet they already have a deal in place either on the cargo or passenger side (or both) that they know is going to contribute significantly to reaching break-even before selling a single ticket/pallet to the rest of the public...
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:04 pm

Quoting blink182 (Reply 27):
DFW is unproven

Unproven but they are jumping in firmly with daily service right off the bat!
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:16 pm

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 38):

Unproven but they are jumping in firmly with daily service right off the bat!

Emirates would not do it any other way. I am surprised they started DFW with having double daily at IAH, but I think the DFW flight will last.
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:18 pm

Could Air Canada or AS increase the size of the aircraft between YVR and SEA to accommodate EK's flight? The Vancouver BC area has a high Indian and Middle Eastern population...most notably, Abbotsford BC, from my observation. I hope SEA can sustain SEA-DXB flights with the 77W. The only other airline that flies 77W into SEA is EVA.
 
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Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:21 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 37):
Non-stop from Microsoft's home office to Microsoft's largest office outside the US. That alone should be worth a few premium seats at the very front of the plane.

Right there with ya...read my earlier posts!

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 37):
On the cargo side, Amazon and Starbucks should be good for a few pallets each.

And Boeing, for that matter. The spares distribution center is right across the highway from SEA. Do note however that while Amazon's HQ is here in SEA, they don't actually have a distribution center here...EK can probably depend on them for some premium revenue, but I don't know about cargo...

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 37):
Emirates isn't known for launching routes at random. Whether it is one of the above or something else, I would bet they already have a deal in place either on the cargo or passenger side (or both) that they know is going to contribute significantly to reaching break-even before selling a single ticket/pallet to the rest of the public...

Waiting for the codeshare w/AS announcement any day now...both sides have a lot to gain by working it out.

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 38):
Unproven but they are jumping in firmly with daily service right off the bat!
DFW (unlike SEA) is a total no-brainer for EK. They should do well in the market.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 40):
Could Air Canada or AS increase the size of the aircraft between YVR and SEA to accommodate EK's flight? The Vancouver BC area has a high Indian and Middle Eastern population...most notably, Abbotsford BC, from my observation. I hope SEA can sustain SEA-DXB flights with the 77W. The only other airline that flies 77W into SEA is EVA.

They wouldn't really need to...I think the only route with more frequencies than SEA-YVR is SEA-PDX and given the fact that most airlines aren't interested in utilizing jets on short routes like this because of inefficiency, I wouldn't expect any changes in the SEA-YVR market based on this alone. If not for Canada's ongoing spat with EK, YVR would probably have gotten the nod before SEA for the reasons you cited. It must be stressed that the two aren't really true competitors given that they're in different countries and serve very different roles in that context, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that YVR is a better bet when the EK/Canada feud is set aside...

[Edited 2011-09-28 08:27:02]
 
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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:27 pm

Quoting DFWHeavy (Reply 23):
I understand the 77W would take a bit of a hit in penalty due to the range, but I figured it's shorter than LAX and I didn't know they still had that much slack in their 77L fleet. Since DFW is shorter than LAX, would it not make since to make the 2nd flight at LAX the 77L and move the 77W to

Their timetable times are only 5 or 10-min difference which suggests the ESAD or airways distances are about the same. I would expect that their payload with the 77L would be enough to put them at about max payload on a volume limited basis. In my view cargo could be a good reason why they mix up their 77W/77L useage into LAX and probably DFW. I imagine they source considerable air freight in India.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:27 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 30):
I can't wait for EK to begin A380 service to SAN. If SEA's on the list, surely SAN can't be far behind!

A 77W or 77L loaded for a trip to DXB could never get off the SAN runway.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:31 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 33):
I think KL will go before LH if for no other reason than the O/D market is larger in FRA than AMS. Once KL leaves the market, LH should be fine still. Yes, they'll have to contend with EK on connections to the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent, but in exchange, they'll have one less airline to compete against for destinations in Europe that still require a connection ex DFW, because no one in their right mind, save for the most die-hard a.net addicts, is going to fly a DFW-DXB-MUC route, that is if EK even offers it (I wanted to look at a QR IAH-DOH-BRU routing once for kicks, but QR wouldn't do it).

Agreed. BA is obviously not going anywhere, and in a three-way contest between Lufthansa, Emirates and KLM, I definitely think KLM will be the first to blink. The resulting injection of new capacity to the Mid East, India and South Asia will pull traffic off of Lufthansa and KLM, but there is still enough residual traffic heading specifically to Europe, coupled with the connections that will still exist over Frankfurt/Amsterdam, that I think at least one of them should still be able to make DFW work - and I think that one airline is Lufthansa, not KLM.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:31 pm

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 2):
So, when do we hear the news about the AS-EK codeshare? Smile

That was actually my first thought too.   And it would be a smart move on EK's part due to the large number of AS Mileage plan members and connecting opportunities at SEA (e.g. YYJ, GEG, BIL, EUG, SNA, SJC etc etc)

AF, KE and FI partnered up with AS. I heard that HU talked to them too. Not sure what came of that but I can speculate that AS's bed partner DL wouldn't be too happy since DL also does SEA-PEK.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:36 pm

I am not surprised at the DFW addition. I have seen significant number of passengers connecting to DFW from the EK's IAH flight. However I always thought that Etihad would introduce the flight to DFW since it has a relationship with AA Advantage program.

SEA addition is the answer to Canada not allowing YVR flights. Many will be willing to drive 3 hours if the price is right.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:38 pm

I'm somewhat surprised at the SEA announcement. I honestly did not think we'd see EK here anytime soon. However, I did wonder why a carrier like AI, 9W, or TG, or even DL, wouldn't be interested in offering service to India or SE Asia from SEA. That's a sizable market from SEA and probably could have supported direct service. I suppose they still could come in - a direct flight to Mumbai or Bangkok would still be shorter than a flight to Dubai and a connection. EK makes it more difficult for those carriers to justify it, however, and maybe that's part of the intent.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:39 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 31):
Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 25):
If they couldn't make money with a daily 777 on SEA-DXB, they wouldn't start the route.

C A R G O

**Ding ding ding** we have a winner. One word: Boeing. Spares for EK aircraft alone will half fill the cargo hold.
Glad to see this one publically announced. My sources at EK told me this was coming but I had to sit on it.
 
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RE: Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW

Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:40 pm

Wow, that is surely a surprise. Never expected DFW that quick. The timing is pretty interesting too. It is nicely set to come in and leave before most of the other international heavies arrive from Europe, so it should make immigration and customs for inbound passengers relatively smooth.

This is also going to make KLM's "temporary" winter suspension of their AMS route to DFW permanent.
I've flown on 9V-SPK.