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Thomson A320 In Trouble Over UK?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:17 am

I've just been watching a First Choice/Thomson A320 circling over East Devon, UK, for the last hour or so and it's started heading north at 10,000 feet. Having looked on-line it seems that it was the flight from Manchester, UK, to Gambia, West Africa. I watched it finally descend and it's just landed at Bristol.

Does anyone know what's happened? I presume it will be a technical problem rather than medical as it looked to me as if they were circling whilst deciding what to do or maybe dumping fuel. If it was medical, they'd get down as soon as possible wouldn't they?
 
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Thomson A320 In Trouble Over UK?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:25 am

No, it's an inbound to Exeter, diverted to Bristol due Fog at Exeter.

EGTE 290750Z 06003KT 0150 FG FEW001 BKN005 13/13 Q1022=

http://www.flightradar24.com/#!/2011-09-29/01:40/TOM737

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[Edited 2011-09-29 01:26:31]
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Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:27 am

I presume that´s the plane that then works EXT-ACE on a Thursday morning.......
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Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:27 am

Not necessarily - flight to Banjul (?) would put the A320 at MTOW or near as damnit. If there was a medical emergency or MX issue the crew cannot dump fuel and she wouldnt be at safe landing weight yet on reaching Bristol, so they either land overweight (which would put the frame out of action for a few weeks while they do surveys etc) they probably circled to burn off as much fuel as possible to get down to a safe landing weight - obviously if the medical problem was a stroke or a heart attack then they'd eat it and land immediately, (full emergency, inc fire services for a possible brake fire etc) but if the problem was something MX-related or a medical emergency not bad enough to divert immediately but bad enough to warrant the aircraft holding while they assess the patient, then they would circle to burn fuel to land at a safe weight so that once they've bussed a new crew in (am assuming they didnt have a spare crew on board to fly the return leg?) they can be on their way after filing new flight plan etc.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:30 am

Thanks for that. I'm only 3 miles from Exeter airport and it all seems fine. On the Plane Finder app on my phone it said it was a flight from Manchester to The Gambia - obviously duff information. I'm glad that's all the problem was, fog.

Cheers
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:34 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
(which would put the frame out of action for a few weeks while they do surveys etc)

Few weeks is a little long. The overweight inspection doesn't need a few weeks. Depends on how much overweight and the touchdown vertical speed which can be checked in the computer. Then the mechanics can check how hard the touchdown was and then decide how much of a check they have to do. Of course if there is some structural damage, then the airplane is out of service for a bit. But the check itself is rather quick.
Airplanes can handle a lot more than one imagines.
I did an overweight landing in the 744 simulator. MTOW was 395.6 tons and we landed with 385.0 tons. Pretty high approach speeds, pretty hot brakes (got cooled down by the fire brigade) and long landing distance. But apart from that, all was well. And the stress for the cell isn't too bad if you do a normal touchdown.

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Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:35 am

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
Not necessarily - flight to Banjul (?) would put the A320 at MTOW or near as damnit. If there was a medical emergency or MX issue the crew cannot dump fuel and she wouldnt be at safe landing weight yet on reaching Bristol, so they either land overweight (which would put the frame out of action for a few weeks while they do surveys etc) they probably circled to burn off as much fuel as possible to get down to a safe landing weight - obviously if the medical problem was a stroke or a heart attack then they'd eat it and land immediately, (full emergency, inc fire services for a possible brake fire etc) but if the problem was something MX-related or a medical emergency not bad enough to divert immediately but bad enough to warrant the aircraft holding while they assess the patient, then they would circle to burn fuel to land at a safe weight so that once they've bussed a new crew in (am assuming they didnt have a spare crew on board to fly the return leg?) they can be on their way after filing new flight plan etc.

Jambo bwana ! 

Did you stop once to breathe in that sentence Chris ?! LOL

No medical div., it was just a weather div and yes, Acelanzarote, it's the a/c for the now rather delayed ACE.  
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Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:41 am

Thanks chaps, as a complete aviation amateur, I'm once again indebted to you all!

Regards

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Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:41 am

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 7):
as a complete aviation amateur,

We all have to start at one point. Everybody here in the forum didn't know anything about aviation when he was born  

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Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:33 am

Quoting wilco737 (Reply 8):
Everybody here in the forum didn't know anything about aviation when he was born

Except from me, I was born with encyclopaedic knowledge... you should know that  
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Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:38 am

Do you ever watch the TV series "The Big Bang Theory". I'm sure you lot out there in aviation cyberspace are just like the four main characters in that!! p.s. that's actually a compliment!!
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:45 am

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 10):
Do you ever watch the TV series "The Big Bang Theory". I'm sure you lot out there in aviation cyberspace are just like the four main characters in that!! p.s. that's actually a compliment!!

As long as it's leonard it's fine, Sheldon I'm not so sure  
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Thu Sep 29, 2011 9:49 am

Quoting JRadier (Reply 11):
As long as it's leonard it's fine, Sheldon I'm not so sure  

I think you are definitely more of a Sheldon... or even Wolowitz!      !
 
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Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:19 am

Quoting JRadier (Reply 9):
Except from me, I was born with encyclopaedic knowledge... you should know that  

Oh right... Who had the nickname "the brain"? was it you or me   

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Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:01 pm

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 12):

I think you are definitely more of a Sheldon... or even Wolowitz! !

At least I can talk to women, I don't envy you Rajesh  
Quoting wilco737 (Reply 13):

Oh right... Who had the nickname "the brain"? was it you or me

Me   You were the muscle!  
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Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:03 pm

Quoting JRadier (Reply 14):
Me   You were the muscle!  

   Very good one 

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Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:29 pm

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Thu Sep 29, 2011 7:48 pm

it in fact diverted to brs twice. After the first ime it had another go at ext then returned back to brs!
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Thomson A320 In Trouble Over UK?

Thu Sep 29, 2011 8:10 pm

Quoting JRadier (Reply 9):
Except from me, I was born with encyclopaedic knowledge... you should know that  

So you are like Grolsch then - only born when fully ready  
Quoting jumpjet (Reply 4):
I'm only 3 miles from Exeter airport and it all seems fine.

I found that odd too - I headed North on the train through Exeter at about 6am this morning and there was no fog, not even in the Exe Valley where you often get patches. Must have been sudden radiation fog once the sun burned the dew off.


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RE: Thomson A320 In Trouble Over UK?

Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:39 am

Quoting jumpjet (Reply 4):

I find most of the UK charters (TCX, TOM etc) to be wildly out on route/flight no. on Plane Finder. With any other airlines if it looks a bit dodgy you can research the flight number and come up with the correct route, but I can rarely do that with those. As an example, last night's TCX from AYT to NWI, which came over my house at around 10,000ft (about 15m from NWI) came up as AYT-MAN! That's a long way to go at 10,000!  

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