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Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:58 pm

Today while picking up my sister at ORD I saw a Virgin Atlantic A340. I had heard Virgin was going to start service to ORD but did not know it began already. When did Virgin start flying to ORD again and what routes do they fly?
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:45 am

Think they fly only in the summer to Chicago.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:53 am

VS has started and stopped ORD several times (did they ever start right around 9/11 or did they announce and then can it?).
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:06 am

I think VS started some time before 9/11, and then pulled out of ORD with the traffic downturn post 9/11. It seems to me that VS has problems at ORD. UA gets a lot of connecting traffic at ORD. AA/BA get connecting traffic from AA at ORD and from BA at LHR. VS has to rely much more on O&D traffic at London and Chicago.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 1:10 am

Quoting ckfred (Reply 3):
think VS started some time before 9/11, and then pulled out of ORD with the traffic downturn post 9/11

If memory correct, VS started both ORD and YYZ about the same time and both were dropped about the same time. They never restarted YYZ.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:23 am

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
Think they fly only in the summer to Chicago.

That is correct VS's operate a daily A343 from LHR to ORD during the Summer season. This Summer flights recommenced on the 09th May and will continue through until the 16th October
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:31 am

Its Flight VS39/40 from/to Heathrow.

[Edited 2011-10-01 22:34:35]
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:07 am

Quoting kiffy (Reply 6):
Its Flight VS39/40 from/to Heathrow.

   The schedule for the majority of the season was:

VS039 LHR 11:00 ORD 13:55 343 D

VS040 ORD 18:00 LHR 08:00* 343 D

A reduced frequency operates/operated:

09MAY to 22MAY flights operated 4 x Weekly (x2,3,5).
20SEP to 26OCT flight operating 6 x Weekly (No flight on Tue)

According to the VS website flights will restart for S12 on Monday 7th May 2012..
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:02 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):

VS has started and stopped ORD several times (did they ever start right around 9/11 or did they announce and then can

Hardly several times. They ran it from around 1999 and had to suspend it just after 9-11. It was eventually restarted a couple of years ago on a seasonal basis, the length of which has gradually been increased each year. The flight will restart again in 2012, slightly earlier than in 2011

By all accounts the service is very successful.

This will be a prime candidate for the A333 when they start doing LHR flights next year. It may even make year round service viable
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:23 am

Am I right in thinking that the VS 787 order was announced in Chicago at the same time as they resumed services to ORD in 2007?
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:02 am

VS39/40 has also been operated by an A346 on occasion lately, including much of last week. Would like to see this flight go year-round at some point.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:13 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 5):
That is correct VS's operate a daily A343 from LHR to ORD during the Summer season. This Summer flights recommenced on the 09th May and will continue through until the 16th October

IF Virgin were to join the Star alliance they could fly to Chiacgo year round with United feed. Hey wouldn't be funny if we saw Virgin Atlantic in Texas, in Houston, now that would dramaic.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:58 pm

I have been doing LHR > ORD > LHR on two week rotations for business since June. All my flights have been on BA and they have been absolutely chockers - I routinely have paid around £2,000 for a return premium economy seat, and on one late-notice trip bought the very last seat on the flight for a staggering £1,800 for economy.

Club prices have been other world-high (e.g. £2,800 to upgrade the return leg - I have not dared ask my client to pay that!)

BA are clearly making a killing on this route - at least over the Summer - why can't VS?

(PS BA's 77W, which I normally get, is a superb aircraft)
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:02 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 11):
IF Virgin were to join the Star alliance they could fly to Chiacgo year round with United feed. Hey wouldn't be funny if we saw Virgin Atlantic in Texas, in Houston, now that would dramaic.

If VS joined Star Alliance it would help them in Chicago and Toronto if they chose to relaunch that route.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:31 pm

Can't remember if it was during the summer of '99 or the summer of '01 but I remember seeing a Virgin Atlantic 747 Classic at ORD on my way to FRA... Really neat to see something different in the sea of UA and AA...
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 3:59 pm

Hello-- I was at ORD yesterday taking photos, and here's the VS A340 of which you speak. Love the ruby red engines!


[Edited 2011-10-02 09:02:54]
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:15 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 8):
By all accounts the service is very successful.

. . . at filling the airplane with holidaymakers? If it is so successful, why can they not run it year-round, as every other carrier manages to do several times a day?
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:48 pm

I've taken the 39/40 service several times this year and it is always near to full or full, and would love to see it year round. But, as mentioned VS has some problems - Chicago (despite being a wonderful city) is not high on UK visitor lists, so O&D while good in Summer is poor in Winter. VS also suffers from not being in an alliance at what is really a two alliance dominated airport - as per the poster, BA creams money off customers to ORD ...

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
. . . at filling the airplane with holidaymakers? If it is so successful, why can they not run it year-round, as every other carrier manages to do several times a day?

Not just holiday makers ... and I'd love to see this happen, I wonder if VX expands at ORD that might present a boost and an opportunity.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:54 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 13):
If VS joined Star Alliance it would help them in Chicago

If they did join Star they would be better of dumping ORD and leaving that to UA, its a token route for VS. I would have them fly to BOS from LHR, if and I say if they joined Star.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:11 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 16):
Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 8):
By all accounts the service is very successful.

. . . at filling the airplane with holidaymakers? If it is so successful, why can they not run it year-round, as every other carrier manages to do several times a day?

What are you basing that on? Hard data or assumption? The premium traffic is what has made the route viable and the mix is almost identical to BA/AA/UA.

The issue with the year round service has already been covered. The lack of U.S. feed compared to the rest makes it difficult in the winter......for now.

VS might not be a big player in the market. Doesn't mean they don't have a worthy place on the route.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:37 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 19):
The premium traffic is what has made the route viable and the mix is almost identical to BA/AA/UA.

But if it's seasonal, it almost has to be heavily leisure or VFR, doesn't it?

Look, if they can make Chicago work as a tourist route, that's great and they ought to do it. But if they can't get business people to fly them to Chicago, that's a red flag for me.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:08 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
But if it's seasonal, it almost has to be heavily leisure or VFR, doesn't it?

It's not that the route wouldn't work year round. Most north Atlantic routes are loss makers in the winter and ORD is no different or worse than JFK, BOS and many others. Since the route restarted it has been paired with the CPT route which operates winter only. The aircraft (not the exact aircraft, but from a fleet planning perspective) that operates to ORD in the summer operates to CPT in the winter.

That way VS get two travel peak periods from one aircraft and reduce their exposure to seasonal demand fluctuations.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:11 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 21):
That way VS get two travel peak periods from one aircraft and reduce their exposure to seasonal demand fluctuations

Which is a lovely money making strategy today. But how do you build a foundation for the long-haul (pardon the pun) in Chicago only flying there 7 months a year?
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:27 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):

Well, as they say, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. The ORD flights already run full in all cabins with comparable yields to other carriers and other VS east coast U.S. Routes (I know ORD isn't quite east coast but still......)

So, flying summer only doesn't seem to be hurting the viability of the route. There are actually far more corporate contracts than you would think. Besides, long term, when the right aircraft is available, who says VS won't go year round? They haven't yet but it doesn't mean they won't.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:35 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 23):
Besides, long term, when the right aircraft is available, who says VS won't go year round? They haven't yet but it doesn't mean they won't.

The 742 was the right aircraft, then it wasn't.

The 343 was the right aircraft, then it wasn't.

What is the "right aircraft?" And does it have gold-plated lavs, gorgeous flight attendants and perfectly done steak and lobster for dinner?
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:04 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 24):
The 742 was the right aircraft, then it wasn't.

The 343 was the right aircraft, then it wasn't.


Once again, based on assumptions!. Look at the facts, the first period of ORD service with the B742 was ended because demand for air travel dropped of a cliff after 9/11. Almost every airline cut a significant amount of flying to survive. Were they all flying the wrong aircraft? No. But you may have noticed that things changed pretty quickly and airlines had to react.

Regarding the A343, its the right aircraft for the route. No one said it wasn't. Why the fixation with the flight having to operate year round when it is succesful and viable as it is? Like I said, yields and loads are equal or better than other U.S. flights on the VS network, as well as other carriers ORD services.

Whats wrong with it potentially going year rouns when and if the ideal aircraft comes along?
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:07 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 24):
What is the "right aircraft?" And does it have gold-plated lavs, gorgeous flight attendants and perfectly done steak and lobster for dinner?

Actually, yes! (with the exception of the gold plated lavs) Are you seriously telling me gorgeous F/A's, steak and lobster are wrong?   That goes for any flight!
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:35 pm

Tall Guy-I like that picture. I only saw it from Manheim Rd and it was a surprise so I didn't linger at it (even if I could have).
Its a shame that VS does not fly to ORD regularly but only seasonally. From reading, it looks like I saw one of their aircraft just in time before it leaves for the season.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:13 pm

Quoting fraspotter (Reply 14):
Can't remember if it was during the summer of '99 or the summer of '01 but I remember seeing a Virgin Atlantic 747 Classic at ORD on my way to FRA... Really neat to see something different in the sea of UA and AA...
Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 25):
Were they all flying the wrong aircraft? No.

I flew ORD-LHR-ORD on VS's B742 back in 2001. Had to be the worst two flights I've ever had (of the hundreds of flights I've been on). Service was atrocious and the plane looked (and felt) like it wasn't updated/upgraded since it left Boeing Field.

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 17):
Chicago (despite being a wonderful city) is not high on UK visitor lists,

  . Not so according to this:



"Chicago, which becomes Virgin Atlantic's 28th destination worldwide, will be the airline's tenth US gateway. 1.86 million travelers flew between London Heathrow and Chicago last year, making the US city the third busiest destination from London for long-haul travellers after New York's JFK and Dubai."

http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb...e/pressreleases/news/pr041206d.jsp


While this might be a few years ago, I believe its still relevant:
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:32 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 28):
1.86 million travelers flew between London Heathrow and Chicago last year, making the US city the third busiest destination from London for long-haul travellers after New York's JFK and Dubai."

And how many of those people flew to Chicago to actually see and stay in Chicago??

Its not nearly as big of a true market due to fact that two major US airlines have hubs at ORD and channel tons of people via ORD to their final destinations.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:54 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 25):
Were they all flying the wrong aircraft? No. But you may have noticed that things changed pretty quickly and airlines had to react.

. . . and, presumably, cut their least profitable routes. Why would they do anything else?

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 25):
Regarding the A343, its the right aircraft for the route.

Why? How much less fuel does a 333 burn on the same flight? A 343 on ORDLHR is a waste of two engines and a whole bunch of range.

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 26):
Are you seriously telling me gorgeous F/A's, steak and lobster are wrong?

I've never had a good steak on an airplane - in any cabin. It's really hard to pull off.

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 25):
Whats wrong with it potentially going year rouns when and if the ideal aircraft comes along?

I want to know whether this "ideal aircraft" actually exists and is something VS - which seems somewhat irrational about purchasing decisions (see, e.g., the long obsession with quads) - will buy.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:10 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 29):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 28):
1.86 million travelers flew between London Heathrow and Chicago last year, making the US city the third busiest destination from London for long-haul travellers after New York's JFK and Dubai."

And how many of those people flew to Chicago to actually see and stay in Chicago??

Does VS care if their final destination isn't Chicago?
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:32 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 31):
Does VS care if their final destination isn't Chicago?

Sure they do.

The ORD local market is much smaller then the 2million count you mentioned. VS is not going to get the connection flow. Such traffic stays on folks like AA, UA, and BA.

For VS as much of its network ORD is p2p market. Same reason why VS struggled at YYZ unable to get traction and steal enough local traffic way from AC & BA.

At the end of the day, all ORD numbers are inflated, just like ATL for instance. The actual local traffic volume is much smaller as the airport works on connections to a huge degree. VS has a much smaller potential market to chase after.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:07 am

This route is doing quite well for VS in the season it operates. The seasonal pairing with Capetown works very well and despite the doubters - UPPER sells very well on both routes.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:37 am

Um it was going to be dropped again and it was a surprise it came back for summer 2011. It's a market VS struggle to make an impact in and symptomatic of where the future lies as VS continue to be squeezed out.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:25 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 30):
Why? How much less fuel does a 333 burn on the same flight? A 343 on ORDLHR is a waste of two engines and a whole bunch of range.
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 30):
I want to know whether this "ideal aircraft" actually exists and is something VS - which seems somewhat irrational about purchasing decisions (see, e.g., the long obsession with quads) - will buy.

So is this an anti 4 engined aircraft thing, or maybe anti VS as a whole?

I dont understand your fixation with trying to prove that the route is a failure based on all manner of self imposed parameters, despite failing to provide any data or even anecdotal evidence to reinforce your views. Many on here who actually have flown the route have said the airplane was full. I know that doesnt make it profitable but the route has beaten targets for the last two years, particularly in Upper and Premium, and is profitable. Why is that such a problem?

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 30):
. . . and, presumably, cut their least profitable routes. Why would they do anything else?

Of course. Just like everyone else the marginal routes were the first to go. But to accurately analyze the reasons you would have to factor in that there are almost no routes that turn a profit from day one. ORD was still a new route when 9/11 came along and had not had time to mature to profitability. That is an accepted economic factor with any new route with any airline. VS and ORD are no different.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 30):
I've never had a good steak on an airplane - in any cabin. It's really hard to pull off.

I know. I was joking. Never mind.......
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:27 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 18):
I would have them fly to BOS from LHR, if and I say if they joined Star.

VS already does   .

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
But if it's seasonal, it almost has to be heavily leisure or VFR, doesn't it?

There's a mix like any other, but when I've flown there have been a good load of business passengers.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 29):
Its not nearly as big of a true market due to fact that two major US airlines have hubs at ORD and channel tons of people via ORD to their final destinations.

Which was the point I was trying to make - ORD may be #3 for pax numbers, but as a O&D leisure market from the UK, I think it's some way down the list.

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 34):
It's a market VS struggle to make an impact in


VS does pretty well during its season - or didn't you read any of the above?
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:45 am

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 36):
VS already does

Sorry my mistake I should have said concentrate on routes they are already on where there is a Star gap to the states from LHR i.e BOS, MIA etc?
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:16 pm

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 36):
VS does pretty well during its season - or didn't you read any of the above?

Thanks for the sarcasm, I did read it and the point I am trying to make iis that a North Atlantic route that cannot operate year round is of little use to premium customers at an airfield like Heathrow. There is also the issue with what all those Upper Class customers are supposed to do during from October to April. Of course they go off and fly with the competition and VS is no longer that much better so they tend not to drift back during the months of operation in sufficent numbers to make the route as profitable as it needs to be to be worth the dedicated asset of the airframe. That's not to say it's not able to make money, I am saying it's not where they need to be to remain a player.

All other "seasonal" routes on the North Atlantic out of LHR were dumped, CO's LGW->LHR-CLE and UA's LHR-DEN.

Quoting anstar (Reply 33):
This route is doing quite well for VS in the season it operates. The seasonal pairing with Capetown works very well and despite the doubters - UPPER sells very well on both routes.

Comparing regulted UK-South Africa with the bloodbath and free for all of the North Atlantic is comparing apples and pears. It seems that VS haver reached a plateau in the number of US routes they can cherry pick and operate year round.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:16 pm

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 35):
I dont understand your fixation with trying to prove that the route is a failure

I've done no such thing, just pointed out that VS drops in and out of ORD and that it's tough to predict what VS is going to do in the market. Seems like they are serving ORD to make some cash in the summer and not because they see any need to be in ORD for network reasons. There's nothing wrong with that.

Quoting sevenheavy (Reply 35):
But to accurately analyze the reasons you would have to factor in that there are almost no routes that turn a profit from day one. ORD was still a new route when 9/11 came along and had not had time to mature to profitability.

Maybe I don't understand how VS works, then. If there was a desire/commitment to make ORD work, why not stay and hope things improved? Certainly, other carriers did that other places.
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:48 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 38):
It seems that VS haver reached a plateau in the number of US routes they can cherry pick and operate year round.

Not sure they've reached a plateau in what they could do - they are also constrained by slot availability and aircraft. While these things all tie together (slots, aircraft, routes, seasonaility, revenue, cargo, connections, blah blah), it's obviously more complex than just one factor. Now, if you were to say that VS management is haphazard (e.g. fleet decisions) I'd agree, but maybe they're happy with where they are? A lot of comments on this board suggest that if you don't go for mega global dominance, an airline is a failure (classic management school thinking - all about grow, grow, grow), whereas many companies do well knowing that they're good at what they do at the size they are. That said, VS could clearly do better without becoming EK!

As to the earlier point, as one of VS's top flyers, I can attest that taking the summer timetable to ORD does reap lots of business high yield traffic.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 39):
Maybe I don't understand how VS works, then. If there was a desire/commitment to make ORD work, why not stay and hope things improved? Certainly, other carriers did that other places.

I agree, there's nothing wrong with being nimble and using a fleet to best effect - but likewise, long term, year round investment can pay benefits.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:00 pm

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 40):
Not sure they've reached a plateau in what they could do - they are also constrained by slot availability and aircraft. While these things all tie together (slots, aircraft, routes, seasonaility, revenue, cargo, connections, blah blah), it's obviously more complex than just one factor. Now, if you were to say that VS management is haphazard (e.g. fleet decisions) I'd agree, but maybe they're happy with where they are?

VS have been reducing their slot portfolio at LHR so it's not that.

Quoting slinky09 (Reply 40):
As to the earlier point, as one of VS's top flyers, I can attest that taking the summer timetable to ORD does reap lots of business high yield traffic.


Not to criticise your choice, I do enjoy flying on the VS A340s, but a lot of people don't come back when a route stops as there are mulitple alternatives with BA, AA and UA and I don't believe the offering on the A343 is that much better. I think that their ability to come onto a Point to Point market out of LHR and carve out a loyal niche is now greatly diminished as the world is now one of Alliances and VS have left it very late. Take Toronto, lots of P2P traffic and VS didn't go back as AC and BA have it wrapped up, something VS used to delight in unravelling. However AC's strong position in STAR and similarly with CO and UA will not mean VS have an easy ride even if they do join STAR.
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:12 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 39):
Maybe I don't understand how VS works, then. If there was a desire/commitment to make ORD work, why not stay and hope things improved? Certainly, other carriers did that other places.

Probably because there is more money to be made continuing with what they are doing at the moment. If their summer flights are as successful as this thread would have it (personally I have no idea) then clearly things are already working for them on the route and there's little need to change...
 
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RE: Virgin Atlantic At ORD

Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:28 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 32):
The ORD local market is much smaller then the 2million count you mentioned. VS is not going to get the connection flow. Such traffic stays on folks like AA, UA, and BA.

So far for the past 5 years, ostensibly it seems it hasn't affected VS's current plan for ORD. If VS joins an alliance, it would help that much more.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 32):

At the end of the day, all ORD numbers are inflated, just like ATL for instance. The actual local traffic volume is much smaller as the airport works on connections to a huge degree. VS has a much smaller potential market to chase after.

DXB which somewhat "resembles" ORD/ATL regarding local traffic, yet it provides sufficient enough pax for VS. Granted LHR-DXB has larger numbers but the point still stands.
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