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What Has Happened To GA'expansion Plans To Europe?

Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:53 pm

Although Garuda has spoken about them (expanding network into Europe) for years, they are still flying just to Amsterdam (and via Dubai).
No trace yet of any direct service to AMS neither of new service to CDG, FCO, FRA, LHR as announced.


Just found out some example through the web and GA's webiste as well.

Garuda Indonesia's CEO speaking in Oct 2009

"We see the Garuda Indonesia Experience as a key product for the future as it will deliver a service experience that is unique to Indonesia and Garuda," says Satar. Now that the EU ban has been lifted, he is focused on taking the new Garuda to the world as quickly as possible, with plans to launch Jakarta-Dubai-Amsterdam service in mid-2010 using A330-200s. Service to Frankfurt, Paris, London and Rome will follow, he says. The A330s are smaller than he would like but he is keen to get the brand into the European arena as rapidly as possible. They will be replaced with nonstop services when the 777-300ERs are delivered in 2011.


http://atwonline.com/airports-routes/article/return-glory-garuda-0309


When ordering new aircrafts in Feb 2010

On 1 June this year, the carrier will start a daily non-stop service from Jakarta to Dubai and on to Amsterdam. The introduction of this service marks a significant step forward in the airline's global network strategy. Amsterdam will be the first of a number of key European routes to destinations such as Frankfurt, Paris and London and Rome which Garuda Indonesia will launch as part of its international expansion over the next few years.


http://www.garuda-indonesia.com/news...37-800ngs-and-one-a330-200-in-2010


When launching new service to Amsterdam via Dubai in June 2010

Indonesia’s national airline, Garuda Indonesia, today took the first step in rebuilding its long-haul international network with the launch of a new daily service from Jakarta to Amsterdam via Dubai. Amsterdam is the first of several major European destinations which Garuda Indonesia intends to add to its fast-growing network over the next four years, including Frankfurt, London, Paris and Rome.


http://www.garuda-indonesia.com/news...ly-jakarta-dubai-amsterdam-service


Again, when GA joined SkyTeam in Nov 2010

“Jakarta will serve as an alternate gateway to and from Asia,” said SkyTeam Managing Director Mr. Marie-Joseph Malé. “Garuda‟s consideration to expand its intercontinental network to Frankfurt, Paris, London and Rome will make the airline an increasingly attractive option for business and leisure travelers”


http://www.garuda-indonesia.com/news.../24/garuda-indonesia-joins-skyteam



So in the end, what has happened to the Garuda ambitious plans to Europe?
 
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RE: What Has Happened To GA'expansion Plans To Europe?

Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:01 pm

I think they will happen. Eventually GA should fly 77Ws to AMS without making a stop at DXB. I imagine there is important traffic between The Netherlands and Indonesia, and the KL relationship and the SkyTeam membership should only help.

As for the other European hubs, I think that may take time. FCO and CDG obviously make a lot of sense because of SkyTeam. I suppose it will all come down to the aircraft that can do this profitably.
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RE: What Has Happened To GA'expansion Plans To Europe?

Sun Oct 02, 2011 4:50 pm

In the Indonesian thread several months ago, there was a comment that KL would probably start nonstop CGK-AMS before GA. Does anyone have an updated guess about this?
 
rutankrd
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RE: What Has Happened To GA'expansion Plans To Europe?

Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:07 pm

Garuda remains on the EU watch list as does TAAG both being restricted to one EU entry point at the moment.

When expansion happens Denpasar rather Jakarta will be the focal point with Frankfurt and Gatwick and perhaps Stockholm being better fit than Rome or Paris.

The Scandinavians Germans and Brits do far MORE long haul touristing and Bali is still up their as a luxury destination.
 
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RE: What Has Happened To GA'expansion Plans To Europe?

Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:25 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 3):
When expansion happens Denpasar rather Jakarta will be the focal point with Frankfurt and Gatwick and perhaps Stockholm being better fit than Rome or Paris.

The Scandinavians Germans and Brits do far MORE long haul touristing and Bali is still up their as a luxury destination.

I would have thought that CGK would come above DPS for flights to Europe. CGK - Europe flights could be made non-stop but it is likely that DPS would have to take a payload hit or a stop en-route (given the runway length could a 77W even make Europe non-stop from DPS?). Perhaps GA would rather fly from Bali to Europe via BKK or SIN as they traditionally have.

I also have my doubts about Stockholm coming above other destinations. I have been to Bali many times and have met infinitely more English, Dutch and Russians than Swedish.
 
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RE: What Has Happened To GA'expansion Plans To Europe?

Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:38 pm

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 4):
Perhaps GA would rather fly from Bali to Europe via BKK or SIN as they traditionally have.

I also have my doubts about Stockholm coming above other destinations. I have been to Bali many times and have met infinitely more English, Dutch and Russians than Swedish.

Almost certain a stop en-route as you say.

Yeap those new poly-archs get about these days (Where did their sudden and immense wealth come from ?)

Those Swedes do like Thailand and have made an assumption that Bali would fit in nicely
 
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RE: What Has Happened To GA'expansion Plans To Europe?

Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:43 pm

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 3):
Garuda remains on the EU watch list as does TAAG both being restricted to one EU entry point at the moment.

Would you care to provide proof of this statement?
It was my understanding that Garuda had all restrictions lifted pertaining to European destinations.
There are other Indonesian airlines still on the list, but not Garuda, unless this has changed recently.
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