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DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:24 am

Bookable on delta.com starting June 7th. 4 daily on a mix of CR7s/CR9s.

DL continues to add major Western markets out of LAX using OO. Are IAH and DFW next?

It's interesting to watch DL pull capacity from low competition markets like CVG and MEM while adding capacity in hyper competitive routes such as this. DL seems hellbent on providing Skyteam access to all the major markets out of LAX.

Anyone have any idea how many more flights DL could add out of LAX without adding more gates? They should be comfortably over 100 flights by next summer.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:33 am

Quoting FL787 (Thread starter):
It's interesting to watch DL pull capacity from low competition markets like CVG and MEM while adding capacity in hyper competitive routes such as this. DL seems hellbent on providing Skyteam access to all the major markets out of LAX.

Either that or just casually building a hub while AA is falling on hard times.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:40 am

Let's throw in B6 and VX, and have seven airlines serve DEN-LAX.

Would that be a record?

 
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:44 am

June 7th...... Now that's announcing in advance!!

Any chance they are testing the market and if they don't see the sales they could pull the plug?
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:52 am

WOW talk about starting a tough route!

I mean how many more carriers/fare sales can this market handle? I have no doubt that Delta can fill the seats its a huge market but lets see how low they have to dip fares to fill them. If they have high load factors I bet first published round Delta is the lowest average fares with significantly higher costs than Frontier, Southwest, and United per seat. June is a good time to start but can you imagine the blood battle post summer travel season in September with everyone fighting for customers on this route! I smell fare sales and super low last minute travel

Quoting as739x (Reply 3):
June 7th...... Now that's announcing in advance!!

Any chance they are testing the market and if they don't see the sales they could pull the plug?

I think everyone knows how tough a route this is gonna be. That could be a possibility. Also im sure its to rake in as many sales as possible to give this route a chance.

Personally i don't think this route will make it or will need to be significantly scaled back in frequency. The CR7 has too high costs per seat for this route and Delta doesn't have the FF in either DEN or LAX to pay the premium. It looks to be mostly CR7s too? All the dates i typed in i saw CR7s. This is still an 862 mile route and will have some pretty significant per seat costs on a CR7 versus Southwests 737s, Frontiers Airbuses, United multiple mainline types including 767/757 etc.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:03 am

I can't remember but is this the fourth time that Western/Delta is starting this route again?

If you include Northwests failed attempt i think this might be the fifth + time this route has been started?
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:29 am

I'll call it now: Total pullout by November 1, 2011 with a 50% chance of no flights by September 1. Hate to be pessimistic, but this is another competitive route with rock-bottom prices. DL often thinks it can just dump a CR7 or CR9 into any market and make money, but that's not the case. Also...we all know this is about providing feed to SYD/HND/NRT/Hawaii (esp. supporting the VA JV), but DEN is a real long-shot with its UA frequent flyer base.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:41 am

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 4):
This is still an 862 mile route and will have some pretty significant per seat costs on a CR7 versus Southwests 737s, Frontiers Airbuses, United multiple mainline types including 767/757 etc.

When you're not sure how a market will fair, it's better to put 36 people in 66 seats, than 36 people in 250. Yes, the CASM is higher on the CR7, but the overall costs are much lower.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:51 am

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 6):
DL often thinks it can just dump a CR7 or CR9 into any market and make money,

I'm starting to wonder if DL really thinks that. I mean, that would be stupid. Maybe DL has extra CR7/CR9 that need to go SOMEWHERE, so they'd rather lose money on an important route like this to give SkyTeam access in this market. Maybe it's a "loss leader"?
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:59 am

I would imagine this flight(s) are meant to feed international connections at LAX.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:52 am

Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 1):
Either that or just casually building a hub while AA is falling on hard times.

We've seen that before, AA at MIA for instance in 1989.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:41 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 4):
CR7 has too high costs per seat for this route and Delta doesn't have the FF in either DEN or LAX to pay the premium


No FF in LAX cmon stop it.....

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):

I can't remember but is this the fourth time that Western/Delta is starting this route again


Well I've been here since 1993 and only can remember we trying the route ONE time....
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:05 pm

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 11):
No FF in LAX cmon stop it.....

Didn't you know? DL has no customer base in LAX. Those DL jets you see in the LA sky are actually ghost planes. Pilots in training...


DL can make this work. There are just enough SkyTeam flyers on both ends. That's what matters. SkyTeam and StarAlliance will be competing more against each other and will be catering more to their growing FF base.
This is just a tiny example.

It has a First Class cabin. Keeps the FF's around...

Believe it or not, DL is also working on its competitiveness against WN. It's a small step, one route, but it's a strategy alright. Just filling in a few glaring gaps on the map.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:07 pm

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 8):
I'm starting to wonder if DL really thinks that. I mean, that would be stupid. Maybe DL has extra CR7/CR9 that need to go SOMEWHERE, so they'd rather lose money on an important route like this to give SkyTeam access in this market. Maybe it's a "loss leader"?

Good point. I think this may turn out to be something like PHX-LAX or LAS-LAX, which both have lots of competition but are still around and providing good feed to LAX.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:18 pm

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 13):
both have lots of competition but are still around and providing good feed to LAX.

Ding, ding, ding...we have a winner!!!


In all seriousness though, not sure why DL always needs to fly SOMEWHERE in order to keep USELESS planes flying while, apparently, losing trillions of dollars without any frequent flyer customer bases anywhere...

Beats me...

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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:38 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):
I can't remember but is this the fourth time that Western/Delta is starting this route again?
Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 11):
Well I've been here since 1993 and only can remember we trying the route ONE time....

Im trying to remember so please don't attack me. However feel free to correct me or add on but:
Western flew it and dropped it right before the merger. Delta flew it at least once before and dropped it IIRC. Delta restarted it in 2007/2008ish? Northwest failed on it in 2004ish?

So this is what the fourth/fifth attempt? This route is certainly NOT new for Delta or the airlines it merged with there is certainly a history on this route

[Edited 2011-10-03 06:39:41]
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:45 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 5):
If you include Northwests failed attempt i think this might be the fifth + time this route has been started?

I don't know if that was so much of a fail as a textbook NW response to competition from F9. They never were going to stay long term.

[Edited 2011-10-03 06:46:22]
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:49 pm

Quoting peanuts (Reply 14):
In all seriousness though, not sure why DL always needs to fly SOMEWHERE in order to keep USELESS planes flying while, apparently, losing trillions of dollars without any frequent flyer customer bases anywhere...

Losing trillions of dollars? Surely sir you jest. Are sure you don't have them confused with some other airline?
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:52 pm

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 17):
Quoting peanuts (Reply 14):
In all seriousness though, not sure why DL always needs to fly SOMEWHERE in order to keep USELESS planes flying while, apparently, losing trillions of dollars without any frequent flyer customer bases anywhere...

Losing trillions of dollars? Surely sir you jest. Are sure you don't have them confused with some other airline?

I'm thinking he was being sarcastic, Bob.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:55 pm

Quoting peanuts (Reply 12):

It has a First Class cabin. Keeps the FF's around...

Heck, soon enough it will be a very competitive product on the route. They'll be the only carrier offering wi-fi on all flights between Denver and Los Angeles. They'll offer a First Class cabin. Say what you will about the CRJs, but they board/deplane a bit quicker than 737s and 757s and Airbuses.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:01 pm

While the local market will be a bloodbath and DL will force fares even lower, it's probably a low risk with small aircraft. I rather doubt DL will take much a a dent in the DEN-Hawaii market that UA has dominated for years, especially when you consider one of the flights would be an RJ..

The connections do work except the westbound SYD is almost 4 hours and the westbound NRT is 4+ hours unless they re-time the 1210 to 1230 misconnection time. Of course, one of the HNL trips would be duplicated with service via SLC.

the flight times don't seem to be set up to maximize connections.
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LAX-DEN 1245 connects from NRT 0955
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DEN-LAX 0815 connects to HNL 0850 (legal?), 0850 (legal?), NRT 1230
DEN-LAX 1210 connects to HNL 1510, LIH 1355, KOA 1355
DEN-LAX 1540 connects to OGG 1755, HNL 1740
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:17 pm

Title should be RE-Start....

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 15):
However feel free to correct me or add on but:
Western flew it and dropped it right before the merger. Delta flew it at least once before and dropped it IIRC. Delta restarted it in 2007/2008ish? Northwest failed on it in 2004ish?

So this is what the fourth/fifth attempt? This route is certainly NOT new for Delta or the airlines it merged with there is certainly a history on this route

Yes indeed last time was 2007-2008 with ExpressJet.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:45 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):

I thought it was widely known WHY DL had all that ExpressJet flying. Its also evident in the fact that the contract was so short term..
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 4:52 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 20):
The connections do work except the westbound SYD is almost 4 hours and the westbound NRT is 4+ hours unless they re-time the 1210 to 1230 misconnection time. Of course, one of the HNL trips would be duplicated with service via SLC.

Based on total transit time, the most advantageous routings is DEN-SLC-NRT. DEN-MSP-NRT is comparable to DEN-LAX-NRT as well.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:05 pm

In keeping with the ongoing discussion of Colgan / Continental, IMHO the title of this topic should be:

SkyWest To Start LAX-DEN.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:10 pm

Quoting peanuts (Reply 14):

No kidding. I am so tired of hearing the same responses over, and over again each time that DL announces a new route out of LAX. They are building the market because they have to if they want to be competitive with UA/CO and AA. All this talk of them bleeding money ignores the fact that the other carriers are likely doing the same on some of the most highly competitie routes out of LAX. DL has focused on steady, sustainable growth, yet no one seems to accept that.

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 15):

Oh lord. I get that you predict doom and gloom each time DL announces anything even remotely connected to LAX, but you're really going back to what Western did? In 1986-87? Come on. There are certain major markets that DL feels they need to fly in order to be competitive in LAX. LAX-DEN seems to be one of these. What Western did in 1986, or what NW did in 2004 is not really relevant. Both airlines are gone, and DL is a different airline today than it was just 5 years ago.

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 17):
Losing trillions of dollars? Surely sir you jest. Are sure you don't have them confused with some other airline?

He's being sarcastic...

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):
Title should be RE-Start....

 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:19 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 24):
SkyWest To Start LAX-DEN.

On behalf of Delta  
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:29 pm

Quoting mayor (Reply 26):
Quoting N62NA (Reply 24):
SkyWest To Start LAX-DEN.

On behalf of Delta

Even that would be more truthful than "DL To Start LAX-DEN"
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:32 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 3):
June 7th...... Now that's announcing in advance!!

Any chance they are testing the market and if they don't see the sales they could pull the plug?

Not early if it is for.....

Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 6):
Also...we all know this is about providing feed to SYD/HND/NRT/Hawaii (esp. supporting the VA JV), but DEN is a real long-shot with its UA frequent flyer base.
Quoting usdcaguy (Reply 6):
Also...we all know this is about providing feed to SYD/HND/NRT/Hawaii (esp. supporting the VA JV), but DEN is a real long-shot with its UA frequent flyer base.

SYD/HL etc tend to be more leisure and thusly will book vacations further out...I know I booked my Australia vacation about 8 months out.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:37 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 27):
Even that would be more truthful than "DL To Start LAX-DEN"

Honestly, that's really just nit-picking at this point.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:37 pm

One of the things that have made the Major's successful in recent years is that they have finally stopped trying to chase market share at all cost and focus on where their money making cities are. DL for whatever reason is bucking this trend in the case of LAX, which is chasing market share on what appears to be the most competitive routes possible. However, the fact that most of the new flying they are adding is on Skywest planes is telling. This is telling me that this has something to do with the current flying contract that OO has with Delta, where its for X amount of airplanes. What I think is going on here is that most of DL's other hubs (In this case MSP and SLC would be the two most notable ones) have been right sized and they are pretty happy with the flying schedules in most of these hubs. What this leaves however is a surplus of OO CRJs and due to the contract DL has to fly them somewhere. Because of htis, DL is choosing to fly them out of LAX. Based on what I have said so far, this is not a bad idea and it carries little risk. Why do I say this? For one, DL knows that they flying level at the other hubs is optimal so adding a bit of OO capacity there is going to likely lose money anyways. Two, LAX is still a huge O and D market, even if it is competitive. Three, this allows DL to attempt to gain some customer base in LAX without any additional risk then they would have flying the RJ's in another hub that has a proper amount of capacity.

Bottom line, DL isn't making a bad business decision by trying this. Do I think it will make a lot of money? Not with the amount of competition on the LAX-DEN route. But DL has nothing to lose by trying this as I mentioned. If you have nothing to lose and everything to gain (LAX customer base) why not give it a shot?
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:38 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 27):
Even that would be more truthful than "DL To Start LAX-DEN"

Oh Lord, are we really going to split hairs here?

[Edited 2011-10-03 10:43:47]
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:42 pm

Quoting FL787 (Thread starter):
It's interesting to watch DL pull capacity from low competition markets like CVG and MEM while adding capacity in hyper competitive routes such as this. DL seems hellbent on providing Skyteam access to all the major markets out of LAX.

You have to go where demand is and it is possible that the route was needed to obtain a corporate contract. Since it is not mainline, risk is limited. If it does not work out, it is easy to cut.

Additionally, if DL wants to make LAX a "hub" like UA and AA they need to offer more destinations. Many western destinations face heavy competition and there are not too many routes out of LAX that DL could reasonably add that are not already operated by another airline.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:47 pm

Quoting KingAir200 (Reply 16):
I don't know if that was so much of a fail as a textbook NW response to competition from F9.

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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:51 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 29):
Quoting N62NA (Reply 27):
Even that would be more truthful than "DL To Start LAX-DEN"

Honestly, that's really just nit-picking at this point.
Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 31):
Quoting N62NA (Reply 27):
Even that would be more truthful than "DL To Start LAX-DEN"

Oh lord, are we really going to split hairs here?

Well if its SkyWest (OO), I'm not so sure how it will be "splitting hairs" as SkyWest is a publicly traded company and not all profits will go to DL.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:00 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 34):
Well if its SkyWest (OO), I'm not so sure how it will be "splitting hairs" as SkyWest is a publicly traded company and not all profits will go to DL.

The only profits that Skywest will make from this are from any contractual payments that Delta makes to them. Any profits from ticket sales will go to Delta. Simple, huh?
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:02 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 30):
However, the fact that most of the new flying they are adding is on Skywest planes is telling. This is telling me that this has something to do with the current flying contract that OO has with Delta, where its for X amount of airplanes.
Quoting apodino (Reply 30):
What I think is going on here is that most of DL's other hubs (In this case MSP and SLC would be the two most notable ones) have been right sized and they are pretty happy with the flying schedules in most of these hubs. What this leaves however is a surplus of OO CRJs and due to the contract DL has to fly them somewhere. Because of htis, DL is choosing to fly them out of LAX.

The 700/900s are not surpluses; there is a cap on them anyhow. Any new -200 flying that has come has gone to MSP/CVG/MEM/DTW, of which, those planes are there because of the 700/900s that came in to replace them in SLC.

Frankly, I'm happy that DL is rebuilding its LAX hub. It may take them a while what with all of the competition, but they seem to be being fairly conservative about it right now anyway.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:48 pm

I give DL credit for making an attempt for entering this very crowded market. It has to be safer to utilize the CR7/CR9s in this market. Too bad OO doesn't have any E75s. It would be a much more comfortable flight. Isn't AE flying LAX-DEN with a mix of CR7 and ER4s?

It looks like the departure times need to be fine tuned somewhat as to offer better connections to DL international as well as those traveling westbound onward to the Far East.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:05 pm

Quoting OA412 (Reply 25):
No kidding. I am so tired of hearing the same responses over, and over again each time that DL announces a new route out of LAX.
Quoting OA412 (Reply 25):
Oh lord. I get that you predict doom and gloom each time DL announces anything even remotely connected to LAX, but you're really going back to what Western did? In 1986-87?

Unfortunately, DL has a credibility problem in LAX. Several times in the past, DL / WA have announced major expansions at LAX, only to retreat a couple of years later with their tail between their legs.

It is no different than AA's attempts to build up SJC first post-Air Cal, then post-Reno Air, both of which ended up in ignomy for AA.

In 3 to 5 years, if DL has not suspended the flights they've added at LAX in their current expansion phase, then the travelling public, and the non-DL fans on ANet, will take DL seriously. Until then, however, people have a right to be skeptical that "this time will be different" for DL at LAX.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:50 pm

Quoting laca773 (Reply 37):
Isn't AE flying LAX-DEN with a mix of CR7 and ER4s?

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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:14 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 15):
Im trying to remember so please don't attack me. However feel free to correct me or add on but:
Western flew it and dropped it right before the merger. Delta flew it at least once before and dropped it IIRC. Delta restarted it in 2007/2008ish? Northwest failed on it in 2004ish?

So this is what the fourth/fifth attempt? This route is certainly NOT new for Delta or the airlines it merged with there is certainly a history on this route

Like i said before i can only remember it being around when Express Jet was here...ONE time since 1993/94 don't know how many times before that but I'm sure its not the fourth or fifth attempt i would know I'm sadly a Denver Bronco fan living in L.A. so i think i would know when DL was flying Non-stop to DEN...
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:43 pm

Could all be DLs attempt to do their fair share in the attempt to run f9 (sadly) into the ground OR them positioning themselves for that market when F9 closes up shop
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:16 pm

Well if you lose X amount of money on this route but feed these passengers on LAX-SYD or LAX-HNL or whatever and make money on those routes, maybe LAX-DEN would be a success. A big mistake in airline analysis is to view any part of what an airline does in a vacuum... it is all complex and interconnected...... or they are just smoking something and opening a stupid route who knows
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:14 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 38):
In 3 to 5 years, if DL has not suspended the flights they've added at LAX in their current expansion phase, then the travelling public, and the non-DL fans on ANet, will take DL seriously. Until then, however, people have a right to be skeptical that "this time will be different" for DL at LAX.

A few fanatical DL fans very vocal on here saying this time will be different does not erase history or mean that they are right this time.

Delta might be for real but lets wait and see. I would love for Delta to do great wherever they expand but I really can see Delta once AGAIN do a pullback. There is certainly a case and reason to be skeptical history is certainly on the skeptics side so i hate when these DL/LAX cheerleaders act like Delta has made some huge new commitment to LAX like calling it an official hub or saying they won't pull back these new flights no matter what to instill consumer confidence.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:31 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 31):
Quoting N62NA (Reply 27):
Even that would be more truthful than "DL To Start LAX-DEN"

Oh Lord, are we really going to split hairs here?

It's not splitting hairs, it's fraud.

And BTW, I condemn this practice across the board - not just singling out DL here.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:40 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 44):
It's not splitting hairs, it's fraud.

Deal with your own industry before you attack the airlines. Places like EA, Broderbund, Microsoft Games, etc., slapping their own all all over a software box, when in fact the software was made by some other company entirely.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Mon Oct 03, 2011 11:56 pm

Quoting N62NA (Reply 44):
It's not splitting hairs, it's fraud.

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. I was at In'N'Out a few days ago at LAX watching planes land. And I didn't see a "Skywest" jet land, I saw a "Delta Connection" jet land.

Delta contracts with Skywest to fly the regional jets. "DL to start LAX-DEN" is not 'fraud' when you can go to the delta.com website and book the flight, the planes are in Delta logos, you check in at the Delta counter, etc.

Fraud? Please.

At the end of the day this is very similar to AA starting LAX-SFM/SLC/BOI/etc... it is feed to a hub to connect to int'l flights and provide the network synergy that airlines and alliances need. You cannot look at it in an O&D vacuum.

I've been very sceptical of DL's commitment to LAX, but it seems they are serious this time....
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:08 am

Not impressed. Delta hasn't added anything in LA. OO has! Let me know when Delta starts using their own metal. I suppose this is my pet peeve. Airlines claim to offer brand new service, and it turns out to be a regional carrier doing all the work. UAL comes to mind in a BIG way.
 
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:24 am

Quoting caleb1 (Reply 47):
Not impressed. Delta hasn't added anything in LA. OO has!

Nope. DL's the one in command here.
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RE: DL To Start LAX-DEN

Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:27 am

Quoting travelin man (Reply 46):
Quoting N62NA (Reply 44):
It's not splitting hairs, it's fraud.

I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. I was at In'N'Out a few days ago at LAX watching planes land. And I didn't see a "Skywest" jet land, I saw a "Delta Connection" jet land.

You just proved my point. Who owns "Delta Connection?" The pilots landing those planes (and the flight crew onboard) are employed by whom?

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