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Seattle International Terminal Expansion

Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:34 am

I came across this article about the Port of Seattle's plans to fix the bottleneck with international arrivals:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm.../2015571421_seatacterminal11m.html

Looking at the airside expansion proposal, which expands the existing FIS in the South Satellite, I see it also includes another airport people mover line to the main terminal:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2011/07/10/2015571731.pdf

What is the point of another airport people mover line? Is the current loop line not sufficient? It seems pretty redundant to me...

The landside proposal would build a new FIS next to Concourse A which would be connected with flying bridge:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2011/07/10/2015571716.pdf

Having an FIS by Concourse A makes sense, they should have built one from the very beginning when the new A gates and south terminal expansion were done. However, why bother with a flying bridge from the South Satellite? Why not just reconfigure some of the Concourse A gates to connect to the FIS and have many international flights arriving in Concourse A instead of the South Satellite?

Larger aircraft, like 747s, that wouldn't fit in the gates at Concourse A, could remain in the South Satellite and use the existing FIS facility. With much of the international traffic able to move to Concourse A, the congestion problems currently faced in the South Satellite wouldn't be an issue anymore. While Sea-Tac has seen very impressive international growth, I don't see its future filled with 747s and A380s. I see most international flights using A330s, 767s, 777s, and 787s.

Does anyone know when the Port of Seattle will announce its decision of which option it will pursue?
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RE: Seattle International Terminal Expansion

Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:08 am

Welcome to Sea-Trash Airport. Their planning is non-existent and a total afterthought. But then again, for an airport with a spending problem, why do it right the first time, when you can spend craploads of other people's money later?

Bottom line, Concourse A SHOULD have been the international terminal and yes, they could have made it such that 2 A380s could fit on it.

Now they are spending $60M to move what seems like 316 airlines around the terminal (I think the number is 7 or 9). Just crazy and unnecessary. They could name that tune for NOTHING. If the airlines want to move, that's fine, they can pay and they can figure it out. There is a NO cost solution that POS opted out of (of course).

So yes, South Terminal is packed at lunchtime with both International flights and Delta flights. Emirates' arrival won't exactly help the South Terminal situation. Glad to have 'em but I hope you have Global Entry otherwise your connecting flight will have left without you.

Oh and for all of you that find renting a car a breeze at Sea-Trash....Hahahahahahaha
New $316B car rental facility modeled after the ultra efficient Laughlin, NV facility conveniently serving the Las Vegas McCarran Airport is coming real soon. Yep, renting a car, just wasted yet another 2 hours of your life. 2 hours, you will never get back. Enjoy.

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RE: Seattle International Terminal Expansion

Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:40 am

Rediculous. This airport has some of the highest fees in the states and some of the most inadequate facilities. I worked very closely with the Port of Seattle (POS) on a number of projects while at AS and they are inept, disorganized and armed to the teeth with red tape.

Should anybody not believe the incompetence that exists at SEA......just research the 1.4 BILLION DOLLAR 3RD RUNWAY. This project was originally supposed to cost less than 400 million.

Attention Washington Tax Payers: Whatever the Port tells you the terminal upgrade will cost, multiply by 3 and that will be more realistic.
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RE: Seattle International Terminal Expansion

Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:32 am

Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 2):
Should anybody not believe the incompetence that exists at SEA......just research the 1.4 BILLION DOLLAR 3RD RUNWAY. This project was originally supposed to cost less than 400 million.

Not disputing the general principle that POS is divorced from reality, but that particular problem wasn't really POS's fault. Blame the neighbors who simply would not give up and litigated every single step at multiple levels.
 
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RE: Seattle International Terminal Expansion

Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:25 pm

SEA has a problem with international arrivals. The quantity of international flights increased faster than the airport had planned. It was British Airways (LHR), Eva Air (TPE), United (NRT), Northwest (AMS, NRT), Asiana (ICN), American (NRT), Aeroflot (SVO) and Scandinavian (CPH) when the terminal A expansion was improved. Now Icelandair (KEF), Hainan (PEK), Delta (KIX, PEK), Korean (ICN), Lufthansa (FRA), Air France (CDG), Condor (FRA), and Alaska (Various Mexico). That almost doubled the traffic at the South Satellite with no expansion.

The purpose of the expansion is to increase the size of the baggage facility and immigration desks. It makes sense and most of it will be done below ground. Another problem which is finally hoping to be addressed is the double baggage problem. Baggage carts aren't allowed on the train, so people double collect baggage at the main terminal after clearing customs. That's a huge waste.
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RE: Seattle International Terminal Expansion

Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:06 am

Newly required security arrangements post 9-11 totally messed up the existing architecture. (this was also true at a lot of airports the world around). Anyone able to chime in?
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RE: Seattle International Terminal Expansion

Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:32 am

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 4):
Another problem which is finally hoping to be addressed is the double baggage problem. Baggage carts aren't allowed on the train, so people double collect baggage at the main terminal after clearing customs. That's a huge waste.

This will only be addressed if they go with the landside option.
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