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OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:35 pm

INSTRUCTIONS

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operated 5 days out of 7, it would show 0.8 flights.

WHY ARE THERE WEIRD FREQUENCIES AT Macedonian Airlines (Greece)">IN FAR AWAY MONTHS FOR LCCs?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. Their schedules may also end mid-month. If B6 loads their schedule until Jan15, all flights in Janaury will show half frequency because of the way the report is created.

WHY IS A WHOLE AIRLINE'S SCHEDULE SHOWN AS CHANGING FOR A FUTURE MONTH?
Similarly to the previous question, some airlines load their schedule from nothing inside the 9 month window of this report. When their schedule is extended it will show as new service because there was no previous schedule to compare to. In some instances I will show a more valid comparison against another period.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THE FREQUENCY DOESN'T SHOW A CHANGE, E.G. 4>4
This happens as a result of rounding. There is a change in service that is large enough to be listed, but through rounding it does not appear.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".

3U SPN-PVG NOV 0.3>0.5 DEC 0.3>0.6 JAN 0.3>0.6 FEB 0.3>0.6 MAR 0.2>0.5

AA DFW-HOU JAN 8>7
AA JFK-SAN NOV 2>1.0 DEC 2>0.9 JAN 2>1.0 FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.0 APR 2>1.0 MAY 2>1.0 JUN 2>1.0
AA SJU-DOM APR 1.0>1.4 MAY 1.0>1.3
AA SJU-SKB NOV 1.3>1.1 DEC 1.3>0.9 JAN 1.3>0.8 FEB 1.3>0.9 MAR 1.3>0.9 APR 1.3>0.9 MAY 1.3>0.8 JUN 1.3>0.9
AA SJU-SLU NOV 2>1.3 DEC 2>0.5 JAN 2>0.6 FEB 3>0.6 MAR 2>0.5 APR 2>0.6 MAY 2>0.6 JUN 2>0.5

AC ABE-YYZ NOV 1.6>1.4
AC ALB-YYZ NOV 1.7>1.5 DEC 1.7>1.5
AC BNA-YYZ NOV 1.7>1.6
AC BOS-YOW NOV 1.7>1.5 DEC 1.7>1.6
AC CVG-YYZ NOV 1.7>1.6
AC DEN-YUL NOV 1.0>0.9
AC GRR-YYZ NOV 1.7>1.4 DEC 1.7>1.6
AC IAH-YUL NOV 1.0>0.9
AC MDT-YYZ NOV 1.9>1.7 DEC 1.8>1.7
AC PHX-YYZ DEC 2>1.8
AC PVD-YYZ NOV 1.6>1.4
AC ROC-YYZ NOV 1.9>1.7
AC SAN-YYZ NOV 1.0>0.9
AC SJU-YYZ JAN 0.5>0.4 FEB 0.6>0.4 MAR 0.6>0.5
AC STT-SJU JAN 0.1>0 FEB 0.1>0 MAR 0.2>0

AM DEN-MEX DEC 0.5>0.7
AM SAT-MEX NOV 2.0>3

B6 BOS-PLS JAN 0.1>0.3
*B6 LGB-SEA JAN 1.9>3 FEB 2>4 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3

BW JFK-POS DEC 3>4 JAN 3>4

CO EWR-YYT DEC 0.5>0
CO IAH-QRO DEC 2>3
CO IAH-TAM DEC 1.3>1.1

DL ATL-PHL APR 10>11 MAY 10>11
*DL ATL-TLV JUN 0.6>0
DL BDL-MCO DEC 1.5>1.0
DL BNA-MSP JAN 5>6
DL DTW-CID JAN 3>4
DL DTW-DLH JAN 2.0>1.1 FEB 3>1.5
DL DTW-LEX MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5
*DL JFK-ANU MAY 0.1>0 JUN 0.2>0
*DL JFK-MBJ MAY 0.1>0 JUN 0.2>0
*DL JFK-PUJ MAY 0.1>0 JUN 0.2>0
*DL LAX-DEN JUN 0>4
*DL LGA-GRR JAN 0.8>0.0 FEB 0.9>0.4
DL MSP-CUN JUN 0.2>0.0
DL MSP-PHX MAY 6>5
DL MSP-PIR NOV 1.3>0.8
DL SFO-HNL DEC 0.8>0.7
DL SLC-PHX MAR 7>6
DL SLC-RAP JAN 2.0>1.1 FEB 3>1.5

EC EWR-ORY NOV 2>1.9 DEC 2>1.8 JAN 2>1.8 FEB 3>1.8

*EK DFW-DXB FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
*EK IAH-DXB FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.2
*EK SEA-DXB MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0

ET IAD-ADD NOV 0.9>0.7


G4 AZA-CID MAR 0.1>1.0 APR 0.2>1.0 MAY 0.1>1.0 JUN 0.1>1.0
G4 AZA-FAR MAR 0.4>1.2 APR 0.4>1.1 MAY 0.4>1.1 JUN 0.4>1.2
G4 AZA-LAS DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>0.9
G4 BGR-SFB MAR 0.1>0.9
G4 BLI-LAS MAR 1.7>3 APR 1.8>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.6>3
G4 BLI-PSP APR 0.6>1.3 MAY 0.5>1.3 JUN 0.6>1.3
G4 FAR-LAS MAR 0.4>1.1
G4 ICT-LAS APR 0.5>1.2 MAY 0.4>1.1 JUN 0.4>1.1
G4 LAS-SCK MAR 0.8>1.7 APR 0.9>1.8 MAY 0.8>1.6 JUN 0.8>1.7
G4 PIA-PIE APR 0.1>0.9 JUN 0.1>0.9
G4 PIE-SBN APR 0.3>1.0 MAY 0.3>1.0 JUN 0.3>1.0
G4 RFD-SFB MAR 0.1>0.9 APR 0.2>1.1 MAY 0.1>1.1 JUN 0.1>1.2

KE GUM-ICN APR 1.0>1.6 MAY 1.0>1.5 JUN 1.0>1.6
KE ROR-ICN APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3

KL IAH-AMS NOV 1.8>1.4 DEC 1.9>1.4 JAN 1.9>1.5 FEB 1.9>1.5 MAR 1.9>1.5

OZ ROR-ICN NOV 0.3>0.5 DEC 0.3>0.6 JAN 0.3>0.6 FEB 0.3>0.6

*PD EWR-YTM JAN 0>0.1 FEB 0>0.1 MAR 0>0.2
PD EWR-YTZ MAR 11>10

RJ JFK-AMM FEB 0.5>0.6

SK EWR-ARN FEB 0.9>0.7
SK EWR-OSL FEB 0.8>0.6 MAR 0.8>0.6
SK ORD-ARN FEB 0.9>0.8 MAR 0.9>0.8

SY LAX-MSP FEB 0.9>0.6
SY MSP-SFO FEB 0.9>0.6

U5 ORD-CUN MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>0.8
U5 ORD-MBJ MAY 0>0.1 JUN 0>0.1
U5 ORD-PUJ MAY 0>0.4 JUN 0>0.4
U5 RSW-STL JAN 0.1>0.0

UA CKB-MGW DEC 2>0.9
UA DEN-MTJ JAN 3>4 FEB 3>5 MAR 3>5
UA IAD-CKB DEC 1.0>1.7
UA IAD-JST DEC 2.0>0.8
UA ORD-BOI DEC 1.9>1.4
UA SFO-BWI DEC 1.5>1.0
UA SFO-LAS JAN 6>7 FEB 7>8 MAR 6>7 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8
UA SFO-PSP DEC 5>6 JAN 5>7 FEB 6>7 MAR 5>7
UA SFO-SLC JAN 4>5

US PHX-HNL JUN 3>4
US PHX-MEX DEC 1.9>3 JAN 2>3

VX SFO-SJD FEB 1.0>0.9
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:24 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 PIA-PIE APR 0.1>0.9 JUN 0.1>0.9

I love the way this one looks!

Thanks again for all of the hard work you do in generating this weekly update!

David
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-MEX DEC 1.9>3

Unless they plan to cut one back, they go to 4 daily from 12/16 to 1/3. One is a redeye on select days. This comes on top of the 4x daily to GDL over the same period announced last week. I know it's just for the holidays, but even then I would have never imagined them adding this much capacity. Last year it was 3 daily for both cities.

Seeing HNL add the 4th flight in June is interesting as well (it's operating this way in December). They just added the 3rd daily last year on select days.
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:34 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 AZA-CID MAR 0.1>1.0 APR 0.2>1.0 MAY 0.1>1.0 JUN 0.1>1.0
G4 AZA-FAR MAR 0.4>1.2 APR 0.4>1.1 MAY 0.4>1.1 JUN 0.4>1.2
G4 AZA-LAS DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>0.9
G4 BGR-SFB MAR 0.1>0.9
G4 BLI-LAS MAR 1.7>3 APR 1.8>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.6>3
G4 BLI-PSP APR 0.6>1.3 MAY 0.5>1.3 JUN 0.6>1.3
G4 FAR-LAS MAR 0.4>1.1
G4 ICT-LAS APR 0.5>1.2 MAY 0.4>1.1 JUN 0.4>1.1
G4 LAS-SCK MAR 0.8>1.7 APR 0.9>1.8 MAY 0.8>1.6 JUN 0.8>1.7
G4 PIA-PIE APR 0.1>0.9 JUN 0.1>0.9
G4 PIE-SBN APR 0.3>1.0 MAY 0.3>1.0 JUN 0.3>1.0
G4 RFD-SFB MAR 0.1>0.9 APR 0.2>1.1 MAY 0.1>1.1 JUN 0.1>1.2

WOW...did I miss something???!!! Allegiant running flights daily and almost double daily is some cases??!!!! This is a drastic change! This probably warrants it's own thread!
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:53 am

Quoting joeljack (Reply 3):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
G4 AZA-CID MAR 0.1>1.0 APR 0.2>1.0 MAY 0.1>1.0 JUN 0.1>1.0
G4 AZA-FAR MAR 0.4>1.2 APR 0.4>1.1 MAY 0.4>1.1 JUN 0.4>1.2
G4 AZA-LAS DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>0.9 FEB 0>0.9 MAR 0>0.9 APR 0>0.9 MAY 0>0.8 JUN 0>0.9
G4 BGR-SFB MAR 0.1>0.9
G4 BLI-LAS MAR 1.7>3 APR 1.8>3 MAY 1.7>3 JUN 1.6>3
G4 BLI-PSP APR 0.6>1.3 MAY 0.5>1.3 JUN 0.6>1.3
G4 FAR-LAS MAR 0.4>1.1
G4 ICT-LAS APR 0.5>1.2 MAY 0.4>1.1 JUN 0.4>1.1
G4 LAS-SCK MAR 0.8>1.7 APR 0.9>1.8 MAY 0.8>1.6 JUN 0.8>1.7
G4 PIA-PIE APR 0.1>0.9 JUN 0.1>0.9
G4 PIE-SBN APR 0.3>1.0 MAY 0.3>1.0 JUN 0.3>1.0
G4 RFD-SFB MAR 0.1>0.9 APR 0.2>1.1 MAY 0.1>1.1 JUN 0.1>1.2

WOW...did I miss something???!!! Allegiant running flights daily and almost double daily is some cases??!!!! This is a drastic change! This probably warrants it's own thread!

If they plan on keep this schedule this is BIG. Lets see its still very far out. Allegiant must be really trying to mark its territory and must be very profitable on these routes? These are some pretty big upgauges especially for Allegiant and its current model. 3x a day on BLI to LAS! Wow and remember they don't sell connecting flights AT ALL so this is all purely o&d.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:58 am

Sadly, DL seems to be cutting back on most international fronts these days. I'm hoping for some new adds come Spring/Summer time.
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Oct 05, 2011 3:32 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 LGB-SEA JAN 1.9>3 FEB 2>4 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3

Might be time to book a trip south!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-HNL JUN 3>4
US PHX-MEX DEC 1.9>3 JAN 2>3

Impressive.

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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:25 am

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL BDL-MCO DEC 1.5>1.0

DL actually still flies this route?

Pretty quiet week overall. One thing I am eager to see is the LGA/DCA slot deal between DL/US play out. GRR-LGA being cut is a surprise for that very reason to me.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:00 am

Enilria, thanks, as always, for your work.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
AA SJU-DOM APR 1.0>1.4 MAY 1.0>1.3

Glad to see AA increasing its service to DOM and other places in the area. Just a few years ago, IIRC, SJU-DOM was only 3-4 times a week. Does Eagle operate these flights? Guadeloupe, Martinique, Dominica, and many others -- no other way there but via AA.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL ATL-TLV JUN 0.6>0

Sad to see this -- but does DL still serve TLV from JFK or another hub?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SFO-HNL DEC 0.8>0.7

Pulling back slowly from the market, or seasonal? DEC is usually a big month for HI flights.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*EK DFW-DXB FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0
*EK IAH-DXB FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.2
*EK SEA-DXB MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0 JUN 0>1.0

This is an interesting one. There was much discussion in the previous thread, "Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW"

Emirates Announces DXB-SEA, DXB-DFW (by goldenstate Sep 28 2011 in Civil Aviation)

The fact that IAH is losing a frequency to DXB explains the DFW move somewhat. It's been said the load factor was sub-par on the double-daily EK flights to IAH. Going back to once a day should fix that.

Also, your info shows EK going

IAH-DXB FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.2

They'll have three flights a day in February?!

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
KE GUM-ICN APR 1.0>1.6 MAY 1.0>1.5 JUN 1.0>1.6
KE ROR-ICN APR 0>0.3 MAY 0>0.3 JUN 0>0.3

KE seems to have confidence in Micronesia-ICN routes. Is this the first time they've flown more than once daily GUM-ICN?

Air Mike once did GUM-SEL, but it wasn't daily and didn't last long.


Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA SFO-LAS JAN 6>7 FEB 7>8 MAR 6>7 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8
UA SFO-SLC JAN 4>5

Interesting that UA is increasing service to LAS, a low-yield city. Is the increase in SFO-SLC seasonal or for the ski season?

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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:40 am

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 8):

That's not true. LIAT flies to DOM and many others.
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:17 am

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 8):
UA SFO-LAS JAN 6>7 FEB 7>8 MAR 6>7 APR 7>8 MAY 7>8 JUN 7>8
UA SFO-SLC JAN 4>5

Interesting that UA is increasing service to LAS, a low-yield city. Is the increase in SFO-SLC seasonal or for the ski season?

LAS maybe they have high load factors or smaller planes on this route? It does go with UA CEO goal of feeding domestic flights to international ones focus. LAS is a major producer of passengers to Australia, Asia, and Europe and SFO is a gateway.

For SFO-SLC Ski season and the Sundance Film Festival really rev up in January.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:22 pm

Quoting apodino (Reply 7):
DL actually still flies this route?

Yep, DL still has this token route out of BDL.

Quoting apodino (Reply 7):
Pretty quiet week overall. One thing I am eager to see is the LGA/DCA slot deal between DL/US play out. GRR-LGA being cut is a surprise for that very reason to me.

Right now GRR-LGA is only cut in Jan through the beginning of Feb. This looks to just be a brief suspension during the slowest travel period of the year.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 5):
Sadly, DL seems to be cutting back on most international fronts these days. I'm hoping for some new adds come Spring/Summer time.

So is everyone else with the sluggish economy and future uncertainty. That being said, any new routes / significant changes for spring/summer usually are announced and loaded in November.

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 8):
Sad to see this -- but does DL still serve TLV from JFK or another hub?

Yes, daily 744 from JFK. DL cut the 3x weekly ATL-TLV route in September and for now does not appear to be restoring it in the spring.

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 8):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SFO-HNL DEC 0.8>0.7

Pulling back slowly from the market, or seasonal? DEC is usually a big month for HI flights.

This is likely more or less noise around the holidays. You see some one-off day of week cancelations around the holidays so this really doesn't indicate anything significant since its for Dec. only. Hawaii is actually really slow in early/mid December but then picks up pretty strong over the Christmas-New Years period.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Oct 05, 2011 12:58 pm

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 6):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*B6 LGB-SEA JAN 1.9>3 FEB 2>4 MAR 2>3 APR 2>3

Might be time to book a trip south!

Looks like routine increase in capacity for the cruise season. Correct?
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:32 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-ANU MAY 0.1>0 JUN 0.2>0
*DL JFK-MBJ MAY 0.1>0 JUN 0.2>0
*DL JFK-PUJ MAY 0.1>0 JUN 0.2>0

Are those Caribbean cuts Seasonal or permanent?
DL has drawn down a lot of Capacity to the Caribbean over the past two years. POS has lost both ATL and JFK and TAB has lost its ATL flight.
I believe Jamaica and Barbados have also seen a pull back from DL. Especially to KIN. Now we see MBJ being pulled back.

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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:43 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL LGA-GRR JAN 0.8>0.0 FEB 0.9>0.4
Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):
Right now GRR-LGA is only cut in Jan through the beginning of Feb. This looks to just be a brief suspension during the slowest travel period of the year.

And that's all it's going to be.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:52 pm

Quoting SRT75 (Reply 12):
Looks like routine increase in capacity for the cruise season. Correct?

Probably true, so perhaps it's time to book a cruise.  

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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:23 pm

Quoting FSDan (Reply 5):
Sadly, DL seems to be cutting back on most international fronts these days. I'm hoping for some new adds come Spring/Summer time.
Quoting Schweigend (Reply 8):
Sad to see this -- but does DL still serve TLV from JFK or another hub?

My friend (PMNW) thinks the DL leadership team is going to take a page from NW and slowly reduce most European flying in favor of having flights to just AMS/CDG and connecting pax from these hubs. He thinks DL will eventually be a holding company that sells tickets on many different airlines-but flies none of the routes themselves. While I think that is a little extreme, I am surprised at how much more DL seems to be cutting than say, UA. Maybe I'm just imagining it?

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 8):
DL SFO-HNL DEC 0.8>0.7

Pulling back slowly from the market, or seasonal? DEC is usually a big month for HI flights.

Maybe a little of both?
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:33 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 10):
LAS maybe they have high load factors or smaller planes on this route? It does go with UA CEO goal of feeding domestic flights to international ones focus. LAS is a major producer of passengers to Australia, Asia, and Europe and SFO is a gateway.

Everyone seems to be confusing the fact that low-yield does not equal low capacity. Passenger loads into Vegas are still very high, even if the yields are not there the capacity is. UA is using everything into Vegas with a good portion being 752/753 and 739, of course smaller 738 and Airbus are there too.

In regards to EK, some say the DFW flight is 'borrowing' the IAH flight until more 77Ls come online, this should also allow the route to mature more. I think QRs entrance into IAH stymied EK growth.
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:03 pm

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US PHX-MEX DEC 1.9>3 JAN 2>3

Between Dec 17 and Jan 2nd, US will operate 4 daily flights from PHX to MEX. From the 3rd will go down to 3 dailies.

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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:09 pm

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 16):
My friend (PMNW) thinks the DL leadership team is going to take a page from NW and slowly reduce most European flying in favor of having flights to just AMS/CDG and connecting pax from these hubs. He thinks DL will eventually be a holding company that sells tickets on many different airlines-but flies none of the routes themselves. While I think that is a little extreme, I am surprised at how much more DL seems to be cutting than say, UA. Maybe I'm just imagining it?

So then ask your friend why DL has commited to refurbing [b]58[b/] 767s to only fly to Amsterdam and Paris. Kindly tell you're friend that he's loosing it. Trust me when I say that this is DL being proactive rather than reactive. I would have more belief in DL scaling back long term if the BOD said do not invest in the 76Gs. A great opportunity to get rid of capacity that they don't see needing. There is a very clear long term plan in place to have capacity readily available for future growth.
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:19 pm

Quoting diverdave (Reply 1):
Thanks again for all of the hard work you do in generating this weekly update!

 
Quoting wn676 (Reply 2):
Last year it was 3 daily for both cities.

Great to see Mexico get some more service. There is talk that Mexico will sign a USA open skies agreement to stimulate more service.

Quoting joeljack (Reply 3):
WOW...did I miss something???!!! Allegiant running flights daily and almost double daily is some cases??!!!! This is a drastic change! This probably warrants it's own thread!

I would wait and see. Who knows with their nutty OAG schedule.

Quoting FSDan (Reply 5):

Sadly, DL seems to be cutting back on most international fronts these days. I'm hoping for some new adds come Spring/Summer time.

They have also cut a lot of their Winter peak Caribbean/Latin service. It isn't noticeable in this thread because it was simply never loaded for sale.

Quoting apodino (Reply 7):
Pretty quiet week overall. One thing I am eager to see is the LGA/DCA slot deal between DL/US play out. GRR-LGA being cut is a surprise for that very reason to me.

Yes. I hear there will be developments on that in the next 7 days...

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 8):
Enilria, thanks, as always, for your work.

 
Quoting Schweigend (Reply 8):
Also, your info shows EK going

IAH-DXB FEB 3>1.0 MAR 2>1.2

They'll have three flights a day in February?!

Feb goes 3 to 1. MAR shows 1.2 which would seem to be 9/week + DFW. No idea if that is intentional or their mistake.

Quoting aa1818 (Reply 13):
Are those Caribbean cuts Seasonal or permanent?

I fear the worst.

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 16):
My friend (PMNW) thinks the DL leadership team is going to take a page from NW and slowly reduce most European flying in favor of having flights to just AMS/CDG and connecting pax from these hubs.

See my comments above a about the Winter Latin stuff, same song different verse.
 
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:30 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 11):
Yes, daily 744 from JFK. DL cut the 3x weekly ATL-TLV route in September and for now does not appear to be restoring it in the spring.

DL should jump on the MIA-TLV and do 3 weekly flights on 772, EL AL has not served this route in a while and I am sure it would do well. What do you guys think?
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:43 am

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 19):
So then ask your friend why DL has commited to refurbing [b]58[b/] 767s to only fly to Amsterdam and Paris. Kindly tell you're friend that he's loosing it. Trust me when I say that this is DL being proactive rather than reactive. I would have more belief in DL scaling back long term if the BOD said do not invest in the 76Gs. A great opportunity to get rid of capacity that they don't see needing. There is a very clear long term plan in place to have capacity readily available for future growth.

LOL. I agree with you. He's a pilot and a little distrustful of NW/DL (which he considers to be one in the same).
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RE: OAG Changes 10/7/2011: AA/DL/UA/US

Fri Oct 07, 2011 11:32 am

Quoting delta2ual (Reply 22):
LOL. I agree with you. He's a pilot and a little distrustful of NW/DL (which he considers to be one in the same).

Late Edit for poor grammar: "one AND the same".
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