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Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:51 am

An emotionally disturbed passenger chose the wrong flight to stand up and yell this is a highjacking. Passengers on board said they were scared what they heard but the FAM team on board busted up the crazy guy before they knew what was going on. Any idea if this was the flight number that the underware bomber was on back in Dec 2009?

  

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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:53 am

I hope his two minutes of fame was worth it. Dumb***!

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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:41 am

Flight number was 253....ironically enough both this incident and the underwear bomber were on 820NW
 
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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:50 am

Yay, we used a FAM!  

Bet you that FAM has waited 10 years to actually do something, seems like it would be an incredibly boring job even for an a.netter...
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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:51 am

Quoting dtwmtx330 (Reply 2):
Flight number was 253....ironically enough both this incident and the underwear bomber were on 820NW

This was actually flight 235. Delta hasn't used flight number 253 since the attempted bombing.
 
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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:52 pm

I just hope the DL AMS-DTW route doesn't become a symbolic "obsession" and at some point someone or a group will actually succeed doing harm on this route, just to make a point in saying: eventually, we'll get ya.
(kind of like the 1993 WTC bombing which was an attempt to bring one of the towers down)
 
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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:59 pm

Quoting peanuts (Reply 5):
I just hope the DL AMS-DTW route doesn't become a symbolic "obsession" and at some point someone or a group will actually succeed doing harm on this route, just to make a point in saying: eventually, we'll get ya.
(kind of like the 1993 WTC bombing which was an attempt to bring one of the towers down)

me too.... I usually fly that route when I travel to Europe. If I have to connect I like to do it at AMS. It is one of my favorite airports.
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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 2:15 pm

Test run to gauge reaction?
 
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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:31 pm

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 7):
Test run to gauge reaction?



From some loony American acting like a juvenile delinquent?

Reminds me of the A.netter yesterday who thought Amanda Knox was a threat to the cockpit door on her 747 home.

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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:34 pm

Quoting rampart (Reply 8):

Well, she was involved in a murder. That's a tad more than a juvenile delinquent.
 
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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:37 pm

When you say it was a highjacking, is that because the plane was in flight or because the hijacker was high?

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 7):
Test run to gauge reaction?

I always wonder whether FAM should immediately react to a lone, apparent hijacker . Depending on how many FAMs are on board, it seems like blowing your cover right away could be a tactical mistake.

Quoting rampart (Reply 8):
Quoting tp1040 (Reply 7):
Test run to gauge reaction?



From some loony American acting like a juvenile delinquent?

Reminds me of the A.netter yesterday who thought Amanda Knox was a threat to the cockpit door on her 747 home.

Regardless of whether it was a test run, it could now be used as one.

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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:40 pm

Quoting TVNWZ (Reply 9):
Well, she was involved in a murder. That's a tad more than a juvenile delinquent.



...found innocent, surrounded by family and friends, isolated from the rest of the plane, going home free (as in, what incentive would there be to disrupt a flight and risk additional jail time?), and well monitored by the crew. The American loony on DL would be more of a "threat". Still ludicrous.

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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:46 pm

Quoting rampart (Reply 11):

...found innocent, surrounded by family and friends, isolated from the rest of the plane, going home free (as in, what incentive would there be to disrupt a flight and risk additional jail time?), and well monitored by the crew. The American loony on DL would be more of a "threat". Still ludicrous.

Well true, but absurdity rarely takes a break in security theater. She was also traveling in such a manner that sends up many red flags. Large group of people in a isolated part of the aircraft with a direct line to the flight deck, probably bought one-way tickets at the last minute. Plus she does have a previous conviction for murder.

Didn't the 9/11 attackers buy up many seats right near the flight deck, which you can't usually do online now?

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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:50 pm

Quoting rampart (Reply 8):

Since I do not know who they arrested, his age or the mental evaluation, I am thinking it is something a bit more than "some American acting like a juvenile delinquent."
 
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Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:54 pm

Quoting Grid (Reply 12):
She was also traveling in such a manner that sends up many red flags. Large group of people in a isolated part of the aircraft with a direct line to the flight deck, probably bought one-way tickets at the last minute.

Yes, in other circumstances. But from what I understand, all this accommodation (plus instant passports) was under the complete knowledge of BA, attorneys, and embassies. Not at all red-flaggish.

Quoting Grid (Reply 10):

Regardless of whether it was a test run, it could now be used as one.

Good point.

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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 5:54 pm

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 14):
Since I do not know who they arrested, his age or the mental evaluation, I am thinking it is something a bit more than "some American acting like a juvenile delinquent."

American male in his 30s. People said he probably had mental issues. All of which was in the article.
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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:21 pm

Quoting Grid (Reply 15):

American male in his 30s. People said he probably had mental issues. All of which was in the article.

Name, background, place of birth, professional psych. evaluation, alcohol level.

(we have a lot of home grown nut cases and terrorist)
 
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Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:48 pm

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 16):
Quoting Grid (Reply 15):

American male in his 30s. People said he probably had mental issues. All of which was in the article.

Name, background, place of birth, professional psych. evaluation, alcohol level.

(we have a lot of home grown nut cases and terrorist)

What does his name have to do with determining whether he was "some American acting like a juvenile delinquent"?

And place of birth for that matter? I doubt you'll be able to, at least right now, find out his mental status.

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Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:14 pm

Quoting tp1040 (Reply 16):
(we have a lot of home grown nut cases and terrorist)

(and we have a lot of homegrown paranoia)

My first inclination is to assume juvenile-acting loon in this case. Others assume terrorist, perhaps home-grown, perhaps Islamic, whatever. There are certainly more of the former than the latter, my bets are hedged accordingly. I'm glad they squashed the idiot in action. Nobody gets by with clowning around with "hijack" since the 1960s. At any rate, if you don't know the details of the case, even though some were given in the original article, why escalate it to organized, infiltrating terrorist by default when it could just as easily be (if not more likely to be) a relatively benign (though scary-sounding) local loon looking for attention? No offense intended to waterfowl.

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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:07 pm

Quoting usairways787 (Reply 1):
I hope his two minutes of fame was worth it. Dumb***!

In the article, a woman states "But we knew there was something wrong with him."

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20111004/...Detroit-bound-flight#ixzz1a2f5z9M2

This would lead me to believe that he must have had some mental condition... which lead to his decision to do this. Maybe he was paranoid? Schizo? I don't think it's fair to jump to conclusions as to why he did it, because it's not stated anywhere.
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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:25 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 3):
Yay, we used a FAM!

Bet you that FAM has waited 10 years to actually do something, seems like it would be an incredibly boring job even for an a.netter...

The agency has been under much scrutiny for being "useless" but FAMs are HIGHLY trained to deal with all sorts of various security incidents and terrorists attacks. Yes, they are rarely needed but when something like this does happen it's reassuring to know that they are there.

Lot's of people claim that FAMs aren't necessary because, "Passengers will step in and do something." Personally, I don't like to ensure my safety and security to a group of untrained strangers...
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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:33 pm

He was intoxicated. Probably on some medication too. Or off. I don´t get it how people don´t understand the effects of alcohol at altitude. I also, even though I know it´s a big money maker, don´t get why crews don´t stop serving people when it´s become evident they´ve had too much. I´m not saying it´s the crew´s fault, but the flight was three hrs. out of its final destination so it´s not like he was drunk before he boarded.
 
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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:41 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 21):
He was intoxicated. Probably on some medication too. Or off. I don´t get it how people don´t understand the effects of alcohol at altitude. I also, even though I know it´s a big money maker, don´t get why crews don´t stop serving people when it´s become evident they´ve had too much. I´m not saying it´s the crew´s fault, but the flight was three hrs. out of its final destination so it´s not like he was drunk before he boarded.

F/As ABSOLUTELY will stop serving passengers before they become obviously intoxicated. However, it isn't blatantly obvious that someone is drunk or is having a reaction to medication until something like this happens. I, as a gate agent, am also responsible for keeping intoxicated people off the plane. However, It's not like I stand at the boarding door and breathalyze people. If there is someone that I suspect is intoxicated I will either call up my supervisor to deal with it or inform the captain and let him or her have the final word.
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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:48 pm

Quoting m11stephen (Reply 22):
F/As ABSOLUTELY will stop serving passengers before they become obviously intoxicated. However, it isn't blatantly obvious that someone is drunk

I´m sure there are signs that any FA will see that indicate a passenger can´t have more alcohol well before he starts bothering his seatmates, per http://www.avherald.com/h?article=443ffd9c&opt=0 and/or starts yelling and finally shouts "hijack"

Just as you, as a gate agent, don´t need a breathalyzer to notice someone is having more than a buzz.
 
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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:15 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 21):
He was intoxicated. Probably on some medication too. Or off. I don´t get it how people don´t understand the effects of alcohol at altitude.

Just because people like to get a little tuned up on a plane doesn't mean don't understand the effects of alcohol at altitude. In fact, maybe they do and appreciate those effects.
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Fri Oct 07, 2011 4:16 am

Quoting Grid (Reply 24):
Just because people like to get a little tuned up on a plane doesn't mean don't understand the effects of alcohol at altitude. In fact, maybe they do and appreciate those effects.

Maybe I was not too clear with my post:

1) I am not against alcohol being served in-flight
2) I am not against people drinking in airplanes, in fact, I think a couple of strong drinks are a cheaper and better alternative than Clonazepam or Xanax for those people who are anxious of flying.

However, to get yourself in the state this guy got himself into:

1) He is either an alcoholic.
2) He had no idea that depending on the person, alcohol at altitude can have an important extra punch.

3) I have no idea if he was on medication. Due to the fact that the crew will stop serving anybody who appears intoxicated, and to the weird reaction he had when drunk, I´m pretty sure he was. In that case, he´s either stupid and reckless or nobody told him to not mix alcohol with what he probably was on. Most anti-depressants/anti-anxiety medications which half the planet seems to be on these days will have sudden and unpredictable effects if you mix them with alcohol.
 
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RE: Fams Stomp On DL AMS-DTW 'highjacker'

Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:10 am

Quoting AR385 (Reply 21):
He was intoxicated.
Quoting m11stephen (Reply 22):
F/As ABSOLUTELY will stop serving passengers before they become obviously intoxicated.
Quoting AR385 (Reply 25):
1) He is either an alcoholic.
2) He had no idea that depending on the person, alcohol at altitude can have an important extra punch.

Where is the notion that he was/is drunk coming from? The two news sources cited so far don't say anything about that.
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