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Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:27 am

Qatar airways will present 4 new destinations before Christmas Akbar al Baker (CEO Qatar Airways) said at a press conference in Oslo today. He was happy to announce that Helsinki would be one of these and that a press release was due soon.

No information about type of aircrafts, however according to fleet development its likely to be a 319LR service.
Range vise, it should be easy accessible with the 319LR.

Congratulations Helsinki!
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:17 pm

Quoting g2scandinavia (Thread starter):

Qatar airways will present 4 new destinations before Christmas Akbar al Baker (CEO Qatar Airways) said at a press conference in Oslo today. He was happy to announce that Helsinki would be one of these and that a press release was due soon.

No information about type of aircrafts, however according to fleet development its likely to be a 319LR service.
Range vise, it should be easy accessible with the 319LR.

Congratulations Helsinki!

I wasnt aware QR announced Helsinki! Congrats! I think QR should start with an A330 right away considering its previous experience with Oslo and Copenhagen. Finland has a smaller population than both countries' but still an A330 will be welcomed.
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:38 pm

I could see a 3-4x weekly 332 HEL-DOH but they might want to use the -LR to develop the market. But who knows the way OSL took off in pre-bookings. Now QR has the Nordic countries covered....oops maybe KEF is next. 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:41 pm

Don't forget GOT  
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:41 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):

I wasnt aware QR announced Helsinki! Congrats! I think QR should start with an A330 right away considering its previous experience with Oslo and Copenhagen. Finland has a smaller population than both countries' but still an A330 will be welcomed

I'd say that an A319LR would be the perfect plane for the route at this time, as I'm guessing that Qatar's main market from HEL is Asia, which already is well covered by AY from HEL. So deplying a 330 on the route right from the start would be a mistake in my opinion. Upgrading to 330 when they have enough demand, like they did at ARN and CPH, would probably be a better solution this time too. Especially since, as you say, Finland has a smaller population.
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:49 pm

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
Finland has a smaller population than both countries'

I don't want to nitpick, but Norway's population is actually smaller (5 million vs 5.38 million).
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:57 pm

Quoting Cassi (Reply 5):
I don't want to nitpick, but Norway's population is actually smaller (5 million vs 5.38 million).

True -
but there is a big, big difference and that is that Oslo (and Stockholm) has been underserved to Asia... Helsinki is not because of Finnair.
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:57 pm

Great news! This is just what we have been missing in HEL! Good to have one of the Gulf-region carriers at my home airport, although I do want to see the press release before doing my happy-dance! 

And as said earlier in this thred, 319LR is just perfect for this flight right now, I guess 332 would be too much of an airplane from the beginning. Of course, if the flight does well, nothing would make me happier than QR 332 in HEL.
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:02 pm

Great news. Hoping one of the remaining 3 routes announced will be PER. Now that I have the OSL end sorted, now I need the PER route sorted. Really is a lack of one stop services back home (only a badly scheduled TG service)!

HEL will be more difficult than OSL purely due to AY, but early numbers look good for OSL, so I think QR could do well.

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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:05 pm

I guess QR is good for connections to Africa as well from the Nordics  
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:16 pm

I guess that WAW is on the list of four to announce by QR

[Edited 2011-10-06 06:17:46]
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:24 pm

This underlines the advantage QR has in using a smaller type to start services; this way, QR can have a free hand developing smaller markets and then developing them with larger aircraft in due course; I suspect that from next year, it won't be a move from A319/320 to 332, but to 787s instead!

QR has made significant advances in being "first in" to places like SOF, BUD, BUH and others; it can then develop these at its own pace. Clearly, it doesn't want to be flying A32Xs to these places forever, so in time these E. European cities will become widebody destinations.

As to new routes, I wonder if MEX or BOG might figure in their plans; some M/E carrier is going to be first in there; why should it not be QR. Apart from these, I'd bet on another city in China - there are many emerging cities there with large populations and another in Africa, again focusing on the increase in China-Africa travel.

When is QR going to be allowed to serve SYD?
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:32 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 11):

When is QR going to be allowed to serve SYD?

QR are allowed to serve SYD, but they do not want to at the time being because SYD is too saturated.

The other 3 destinations I assume will wide-bodied services I assume. Since Tblisi was moved to February for lack of available aircraft, that means wide-bodied aircraft are available before Christmas--which is just around the corner.
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:06 pm

Great news!

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 8):
HEL will be more difficult than OSL purely due to AY, but early numbers look good for OSL, so I think QR could do well.

Yes AY makes HEL tricky, a smallish market with good connections to Asia, will be interesting to see QR's strategy. Anyway all competition is warmly welcome, AY tends to be pricey to Asia from HEL...

[Edited 2011-10-06 11:18:34]
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:23 pm

Heh... I was pretty sad to get back home from MNL but this made my day. GREAT news. Matter of time when we see QR 333 and EK 777 here I think.
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:40 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 13):
Yes AY makes HEL tricky, a smallish market with good connections to Asia, will be interesting to see QR's strategy. Anyway all competition is warmly welcome, AY tends to be pricey to Asia from HEL...

Then again, DOH is quite a detour when you're heading to Asia from HEL. On a route like HEL-BKK going via DOH increases the distance by 50%, that must be a handicap when you're competing with AY.
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:58 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 2):
oops maybe KEF is next.

Now that would be great!

But couldn't it be that QR are maybe looking for HEL-Africa via DOH? Not that much a detour. Just speculating...
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:13 pm

I just can't imagine why QR would want to start such a route? Helsinki of all places. Who do they expect to travel? I can't imagine them having enough passengers to fill an A320.

If I were Helsinki Airport I'd probably find some way to turn the offer down. I think it's going to be tears all round.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:15 pm

So the 5 destinations are likely to be
1. HEL ?
...and
Cant see KEF, BHX or EDI/GLA myself.
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 8:20 pm

Quoting Jalap (Reply 15):

Then again, DOH is quite a detour when you're heading to Asia from HEL. On a route like HEL-BKK going via DOH increases the distance by 50%, that must be a handicap when you're competing with AY.

I think they will rather compete with other airlines (LH AF/KL BA) connecting HEL to Asia, especially to the destinations not served well through AY's network, like in the Gulf. Many Finns travel to Asia via big hubs like FRA or AMS, often cheaper than on AY and their partners.

I wouldn't mind flying HEL-BKK on QR, flying via DOH would probably increase the total flying time by 4-5h compairing to the direct flight. In miles HEL-DOH-BKK is only about 20% longer than HEL-BKK. Of course flying to Japan or China the difference is a lot bigger.
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:15 pm

Quoting BY738 (Reply 18):
So the 5 destinations are likely to be
1. HEL ?
...and
Cant see KEF, BHX or EDI/GLA myself.

I have a feeling, and after SOF, BUD and OTP, that it will be either BEG or ZAG, as for the other 4, hmmm, not too sure.
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:31 pm

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 20):
Quoting BY738 (Reply 18):
So the 5 destinations are likely to be
1. HEL ?
...and
Cant see KEF, BHX or EDI/GLA myself.

I have a feeling, and after SOF, BUD and OTP, that it will be either BEG or ZAG, as for the other 4, hmmm, not too sure.

I think WAW is definitely in the running as a potential destination; Poland has a growing market of travelers to Asia.
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:36 pm

Quoting BY738 (Reply 18):
So the 5 destinations are likely to be
1. HEL ?
...and
Cant see KEF, BHX or EDI/GLA myself.

Maybe LIS?
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:55 pm

Quoting BY738 (Reply 18):
Cant see KEF, BHX or EDI/GLA myself.

I think no one was serious about KEF...
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:12 am

Lets hope for GOT, with it they would have Scandinavia covered. But following their previous pattern of doing this I would assume they would lauch GOT when Helsinki goes daily with A330.

Personally I don't know about Helsinki.
Finland doesn't have as many immigrants as Sweden, not many places in Europe does, but they are not close to the numbers of Norway or Denmark either. So VFR to places like Iran, Iraq, Africa, etc wont see the demand it does from the rest of Scandinavia.
Finns also have AY that's specialised in Asia. So competition to Asia will be tough.
Africa, not sure how popular it is with Finns.

Competition to SE Asia will be similar to the rest of Scandinavia, after all ARN and CPH had daily nonstop BKK flights as well but in this case the alternative is the homecarrier. However a lot of BKK traffic is price driven so with the right price Qatar will fill the plane.
Oslos nonstop to BKK is so new that I'll argue Oslo is a different case to HEL in regards to the huge SE Asia market that exists from all over Scandinavia.
I am not sure how much dedicated charter flights Thompson, Thomas Cook and whatever Kuonis agency up there is called we see from Finland to Thailand?
If it's on the same level as Sweden or less like Norway?
Those numbers will matter when it comes to QR and connections to Phuket etc.
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:29 am

One thing to say...

BOS.

That is all.

  
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:20 am

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 24):
So VFR to places like Iran, Iraq, Africa, etc wont see the demand

Yes the demand is rather low. For curiosity I checked in Finland there are roughly 30,000 immigrants from Africa, Middle East, Southern Asia that could use QR services. In Finland the majority of immigrants come from Estonia and Russia.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 24):
I am not sure how much dedicated charter flights Thompson, Thomas Cook and whatever Kuonis agency up there is called we see from Finland to Thailand?

Don't know the numbers in other countries, but last year charter flights carried around 110,000 pax from Finland to Thailand, this year shows strong (25%) growth. In 2010 Thailand was the 5th largest charter destination.

In the scheduled service HEL-BKK there were 230,000 passengers, don't know how many of them were Finns. Half maybe? Anyway more than on the other AY routes to Asia.

The charters are typically used by families on package trips, so QR could rather attract those who fly to BKK on AY.

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 24):
However a lot of BKK traffic is price driven so with the right price Qatar will fill the plane.

Exactly, you would think Qatar's prices to BKK will be lower than AY's who flies non stop, twice daily in winter. Not sure how it would be with less price driven SIN.
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:25 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):

And Arlanda

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 3):

 
Fly Draganair
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:55 am

Great news but I rather hoped that GOT would be next. Quite strange that they haven't been discovered yet..
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:11 pm

Quoting HELyes (Reply 19):
flying via DOH would probably increase the total flying time by 4-5h

But more QMiles  
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:17 pm

Congratz to Helsinki and good to hear that the gulf carriers expand in the Nordic region. I hope that this route will be successful.

Any chance that we can see passenger services of QR to AMS???
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Fri Oct 07, 2011 12:25 pm

Quoting icelandair75w (Reply 25):
One thing to say...

BOS.

  
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:54 pm

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 30):
Any chance that we can see passenger services of QR to AMS???

They have been hiring Dutch (speaking) cabincrew recently @ AMS, so that might say something...
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:23 pm

Please be PER! QR's been teasing us for years.
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:13 pm

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 20):
I have a feeling, and after SOF, BUD and OTP, that it will be either BEG or ZAG, as for the other 4, hmmm, not too sure.

I would actually bet on DOH-SKP-BEG. However if they have to compete with flydubai from Belgrade doubt that they would have a stop. Unless it DOH-BEG-SKP-BEG-DOH...

Quoting MH017 (Reply 32):
They have been hiring Dutch (speaking) cabincrew recently @ AMS, so that might say something...

Well they have been doing that in Belgrade for years now and they have yet to announce their plans.


What about KBP? Aerosvit did expand into Asia recently meaning that there has to be some sort of demand.
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:58 am

Big Untapped markets (by QR):

Serbia, Ukraine, Former Soviet Union (Kazakstan, Uzbekstan, Taj.), Iraq, Macedonia.

New destinations might include: One point in the UK, one point in China, Australia, 2 points in USA (assumption)
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:13 pm

...and whick UK departure point ?
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:52 pm

TK currently takes a lot of Middle East/Africa traffic but their prices rise constantly like there's no tomorrow. Won't be a problem to fill a less than daily A319.

People fly HEL-BKK on all sorts of combos, AY/CI via AMS, AB low cost for rather high fare etc. QR OSL-BKK intro fare was 298EUR+taxes and fees, so maybe 600-650 all in. That's right where TK is and it's popular especially winter season.
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:33 pm

I'm not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but the new routes have been announced on the Qatar website...

New routes:

OSLO, Norway
ENTEBBE, Uganda
CHONGQING, China
BAKU, Azerbaijan
TBILISI, Georgia



http://www.qatarairways.com/global/e...pressrelease_pressrelease_20111012

So what happened to HEL?
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:40 pm

Quoting Filipair (Reply 21):
I think WAW is definitely in the running as a potential destination; Poland has a growing market of travelers to Asia.

What are the mid-east bilateral rights to Poland?

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 35):
Big Untapped markets (by QR):

Serbia, Ukraine, Former Soviet Union (Kazakstan, Uzbekstan, Taj.), Iraq, Macedonia.

I think all of those are ripe for the mid-east carriers.

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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:43 am

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 12):
QR are allowed to serve SYD, but they do not want to at the time being because SYD is too saturated.

Not quite accurate.

biggest issue with SYD is curfew.

note that current DOH-MEL operations turn in MEL 22:30/23:59. services are timed to depart DOH 1:00 and return to DOH 06:15 to meet the key hub wave.

The 3 main arrival hub waves eastbound to DOH are below. issues with each outlined in brackets):
0500-0700 (DOH-SYD would need to depart after 10am to arrive SYD 6am. long layover in DOH.)
1800-2000 ( 22:00 departure would arrive SYD around 19.00, but only limited connex in this wave)
2200-0000 (1:00 departure would arrive sydney close to curfew. risky)

the 3 main departure hub waves westbound are:
700 - 900 (requires midnight departure ex-sydney. not possible)
1200-1400 (again, departure during curfew or 6am at latest)
1400 - 1600 (after this time, most departures eastbound or short haul).

So there's a key issue with SYD ops. it becomes very inefficient from an aircraft utilisation perspective, and sacrifices need to be made on schedule to try an accommodate optimal outcome.
 
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RE: Qatar Launching Direct Flights To Helsinki

Thu Oct 20, 2011 4:04 am

Quoting ACCOperator (Reply 38):
I'm not sure if this has been posted elsewhere, but the new routes have been announced on the Qatar website...

New routes:

OSLO, Norway
ENTEBBE, Uganda
CHONGQING, China
BAKU, Azerbaijan
TBILISI, Georgia

Although these (apart from OSL) haven't started yet, they were announced a while ago, the article just restated the routes that will be starting soon.

Therefore, I still expect an announcement of more routes by the end of the year.

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