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TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:42 pm

Strong easterly winds today, runway 10 is the only runway in use right now
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:23 pm

What is the weather like over there? Looks like the rain isn't quite making it to you guys. Its been pouring all day at MCO with very low visibility. I figure it is probably at least overcast by you.

I do like 10 ops though, but I have yet to see 10 ops when I have been out there on a good sunny day.
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:54 pm

Im on the roof parking now........there are pelts of rain coming down......just saw FX land..........the wind is really whipping right now..........the sun is partially out, theres a rainbow in the northeast.........this.......reporter.....cant hold on.........much........longer.....!!!!!!!......Back to you in the studio........     
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:33 pm

Thats cool though if the sun came out with just a little bit of rain. There is no way you could do any spotting at MCO right now. It has been a steady rain with heavy squalls since last night. When I was at the airport earlier today during a couple of the squalls the visibility was down to about 1000 ft if even that and the ceiling was probably no more than about 500 ft all day. I wish I could get out to TPA again when they use 10 (well they probably will in a couple weeks with MacDill Airshow, but I will be at the airshow instead)
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:32 am

And per Flightaware's map, BA 2167 landed on it, albeit about 45 minutes late today. Must have been a treat to see that!

I just drove by TPA at appx 21:00 and they are back to landing on the normal 36L, errr, 1L.
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:47 am

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 4):

Yeah, that's the 3rd or 4th time I've seen that.

This was the first time I can recall seeing all ops on the side runway. The wind was reall whipping up there. Take the same ho-hum aircraft, and put them in a runway configuration that normally isnt used ... Its a whole new ballgame.

I saw a few of these, but the 1st was more pronounced. A WN 737 made a Kai Tak style landing. I guess he lined up on 1L, then sidestepped onto 10.

BA, to my dissapointment, tookoff on 1L, ....I saw one WN on 1R, but that's it.

I'm outside my crib now, and I still am seeing approaches to 10.

Oh, and FX DC10 landed on 10 as well.

Anybody can email me if they want to see video.
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:13 am

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 4):
And per Flightaware's map, BA 2167 landed on it, albeit about 45 minutes late today. Must have been a treat to see that!

I just drove by TPA at appx 21:00 and they are back to landing on the normal 36L, errr, 1L.

That would have been cool to see. Too bad a United 747 didnt come in for Pemco.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 5):
This was the first time I can recall seeing all ops on the side runway. The wind was reall whipping up there. Take the same ho-hum aircraft, and put them in a runway configuration that normally isnt used ... Its a whole new ballgame.

Yeah that time we were watching 10 ops a couple years back - it was just all arrivals and smaller aircraft (biz jets, Beech 1900s and props) departing. All jet departures were taking off on what was then 18R.

I would love to see all ops though on it - I am sure there was quite a back up of planes waiting to take off while all the arrivals were happening - that way you get everything from there - from C172s to BA 777

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 5):
I'm outside my crib now, and I still am seeing approaches to 10.

Should continue tomorrow, though you guys will probably get more rain than you did today.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 5):
BA, to my dissapointment, tookoff on 1L, ....I saw one WN on 1R, but that's it.

BA probably can't take off on 10 due to weight and the length of 10. Isn't 10 only about 7,000 ft long, probably too short for an Atlantic bound 777.
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:09 am

As mentioned in previous posts, in my many years of living in the TB area, I have never seen a runway 10 (runway 9) arrival. I wonder how those residents living in "Mini-Venice just due-west of TPA, & off the C.C. Causeway fared.
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:30 pm

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 7):
As mentioned in previous posts, in my many years of living in the TB area, I have never seen a runway 10 (runway 9) arrival. I wonder how those residents living in "Mini-Venice just due-west of TPA, & off the C.C. Causeway fared.

I'm sure there were noise complaints as people at those places aren't used to seeing planes. I've only seen it once before too as I was discussing with 727Lover back in 2009, when Hurricane Ida was out in the Gulf giving Tampa area East winds for 2 days. I was staying out in Dunedin (north of Clearwater) when my girl lived out there and noticed some TPA bound planes flying over. They weren't that low, maybe 4,000 ft or so but much lower than they usually are as sometimes TPA bound planes fly over at around 8,000 ft or so on the downwind on their way to land on 1L.

She was at work, so I decided to head out to TPA to spot - of course I ran into 727Lover there at the Economy Garage, which was perfect for viewing the arrivals. They weren't flying right down the CC Causeway, they were off to the left as you head towards TPA, but yeah they would pass over that little Venice area north of the CC Causeway. Unfortunately it was cloudy that day but a lot of my pictures did come out.

That day as I mentioned, nothing larger than a Gulfstream V departed on what was then 9, while everything arrived on 9- all commercial jets departed on what was then 18R - saw a near miss that day too as a US A320 was arriving on 9 and an Air Tran 717 was departing 18R, the US plane did a go around.

When the larger jets depart - do they end up departing over Downtown Tampa or do they make their turns much sooner?
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:26 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 6):
Too bad a United 747 didnt come in for Pemco.

Agreed, but I haven't seen a UA 744 here in a few months.

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 6):
Should continue tomorrow, though you guys will probably get more rain than you did today.

It's raining here now, light but steady. Hopefully the winds pick up like yesterday, if so I'm headed there around 16:30.

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 7):
I wonder how those residents living in "Mini-Venice just due-west of TPA, & off the C.C. Causeway fared.

Me thinks that Herman Lawrence (Noise Officer at TPA) will have a full inbox when he comes to work on Monday.

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 5):
A WN 737 made a Kai Tak style landing. I guess he lined up on 1L, then sidestepped onto 10.

Very nice and quite unusual for our area.
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:43 pm

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 9):
Agreed, but I haven't seen a UA 744 here in a few months.

Yeah the last UA 747 I seen there was when I went there to see the Iron Maiden 757 come in back in April, not sure if any have been back since. Seems like its been a lot of World MD-11s I been seeing since about May.
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:16 pm

The winds dont seem to be cooperating for a repeat today.  
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:41 pm

It made for a very interesting approach I thought.

I was on DL4916 yesterday and I looked out the window and we were flying very low over Caladesi Island. I'm thinking, what's going on? Are we landing at PIE instead??? (the approach was a turn over the Gulf, going straight from west to east over Clearwater Beach)
Very bouncy approach. Two ladies behind me holding on for dear life, thinking this is their last flight.
After we passed PIE it dawned on me we are going for 10. First time for me! Nice and different views.

I was wondering if BA's 777 could take off from this one? It was parked at the gate when we landed.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D...6/history/20111008/2100Z/KMIA/KTPA

[Edited 2011-10-09 13:42:10]
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:10 pm

Looking at the approaches from FlightAware, it looks most planes approaching from the north & south lined up for runway 10 right at the west terminus of the C.C. Causeway, where it turns to Gulf-to-Bay Blvd.

The DL 4916 really went out into the Gulf and set itself up for a long straight-in approach.

The BA flight appeared to hug the Gulf coastline before making a dog leg turn to C.C. Causeway.

I couldn't find any "Kai-Tak" style circle-to-land approaches.

I wonder how these approaches to runway 10 impact traffic at PIE.

Addendum:

Looks like a B6 flight had a TOGA from Runway 10 and wound up landing Runway 1L.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...3/history/20111008/1810Z/KJFK/KTPA

[Edited 2011-10-09 14:17:05]
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:03 pm

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 13):
Looking at the approaches from FlightAware, it looks most planes approaching from the north & south lined up for runway 10 right at the west terminus of the C.C. Causeway, where it turns to Gulf-to-Bay Blvd.

In 2009, I saw them flying over south Dunedin area when I was staying out near Keene and Sunset Point - basically between where I was staying and the Clearwater Airpark. They seemed to be lining up for 10 by flying directly over downtown Safety Harbor that day in perhaps a 11 degree heading before straightening up and flying parallel to CC Causeway, although the approach briefly crosses the causeway just west of the Little Venice area

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 13):
The BA flight appeared to hug the Gulf coastline before making a dog leg turn to C.C. Causeway.

Do did it go right over the main beach area of Clearwater?

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 13):
Looks like a B6 flight had a TOGA from Runway 10 and wound up landing Runway 1L.

how far south did that one go, or did it do a Kai Tak type approach?

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 13):
I couldn't find any "Kai-Tak" style circle-to-land approaches.

I've seen some of them landing on 1L. I've seen a few SWA 737s look as if they are flying right over the Howard Frankland before turning to land. A COEX B1900 did when I was there last week - went between Frankland, and Cypress Point Park where it looked like it was going to land 1L but actually landed 1R.

Then sometimes on approach to 1L they go way out too. I have been at Passe a Grille - south of St. Pete Beach and seen various planes and a Fed Ex DC-10 actually fly pretty low over it.
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:02 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 14):
I wonder how these approaches to runway 10 impact traffic at PIE.

Usually minimal. If its that windy that TPA goes to Rwy 10 its usually too windy for the little guys at PIE. Allegiant wont take runway 9 at PIE so 35R or maybe rwy 4 works for the arrivals. Its neat to watch the traffic lining up over the Causeway plus PIE gets increased traffic count from all the point outs for the decent into TPA. Its win win.
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:04 pm

Quoting oflanigan (Reply 15):
Usually minimal. If its that windy that TPA goes to Rwy 10 its usually too windy for the little guys at PIE. Allegiant wont take runway 9 at PIE so 35R or maybe rwy 4 works for the arrivals. Its neat to watch the traffic lining up over the Causeway plus PIE gets increased traffic count from all the point outs for the decent into TPA. Its win win.

Well that was actually Phatfarmlines question, not mine, however it was a good question. Two years ago when TPA was getting 10 (or 9 back then) arrivals with Hurricane Ida off shore, they had just switched for the most part to the 18s when I left and it was starting to get dark - BA did land on 18R at that point (first plane of the day to do so as I was hoping to see it on 9). I was heading back and I saw a UPS A300 landing on 17 at PIE (but again by this time TPA had switched over to the 18s). Departures out of PIE that day were probably using 17 at least for Allegiant and the larger aircraft, since TPA was using 18R for departures while 9 was being used for landing. Small planes probably used 9 at PIE for all ops. Allegiant landings might have been using 4 for arrivals or since there are very few PIE ops a day they might have been able to fit an Allegiant in on 17 between TPA arrivals on 10, with Allegiant at a lower altitude. Or if visibility wasn't too bad, bring them in parallel with TPA approaches then have them turn to short final to 17 once they reached the bay.

How does PIE get increased traffic count from TPA 10 arrivals? Less GA is going up at PIE due to the strong winds and I thought for an operation to count as an airport's traffic count the plane actually has to touch the runway at that airport, not just be in its airspace.
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:40 pm

Quoting phatfarmlines (Reply 13):
I couldn't find any "Kai-Tak" style circle-to-land approaches.

It was around 6;45-7;15pm Trust me, it happened. Also saw a 737 abort. Looked like it was attempting to land on 1L.




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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRCWGEAyj8U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8IkhMxG2ts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etdP8fAu0Wc
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:08 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 17):
It was around 6;45-7;15pm Trust me, it happened. Also saw a 737 abort. Looked like it was attempting to land on 1L.

Did you get video of the Kai Tak approach one?

How about the BA 777?
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:15 am

I was hearing all this when I was in the air around SRQ. We were getting lots of x-wind practice because they had 04/22 closed here, which obviously would have been ideal.
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:57 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 18):

Cant hold the camera and cell phone on the same plane dude.   
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:04 am

I flew into TPA on Saturday on DL 2372 from ATL on a 752. I thought for sure we were going to land on Runway 10 when looking at TPA ops on FlightAware. We ended up landing on 1L, though most flights were using 10 throughout the day. It was really windy coming in over the bay....the 757 shook around like crazy with the strong east winds.

Back in early 2008, I was on a DL 763 from ATL-TPA in January that landed on Runway 28. I was thinking we were headed for 18R, but we kept going almost all the way to Plant City before hooking around to the west and landing on 28. There were really strong winds out of the NW that day.
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:22 am

Quoting TLHFLA (Reply 21):
Back in early 2008, I was on a DL 763 from ATL-TPA in January that landed on Runway 28. I was thinking we were headed for 18R, but we kept going almost all the way to Plant City before hooking around to the west and landing on 28. There were really strong winds out of the NW that day.

That is something I would like to see - large aircraft doing ops on 28. I know when 1R/19L was closed in spring 2010 for repairs, the B1900s and GA aircraft were using 28, but wouldn't 28 approaches pretty much take you over Downtown?

Not sure where a good spotting location would be for 28 arrivals though - departure shots would be great with the planes coming at you with Bucs stadium in the background I would imagine on 28.
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:59 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 22):
That is something I would like to see - large aircraft doing ops on 28. I know when 1R/19L was closed in spring 2010 for repairs, the B1900s and GA aircraft were using 28, but wouldn't 28 approaches pretty much take you over Downtown?

I remember getting a good view of downtown on the way in! I had a window seat on that side of the plane. I recall being just to the north of it on approach. I was surprised at how far east we went before turning back to the west...was almost thinking the flight was being diverted to MCO or something... It was probably the largest plane to land on 28 that day...unless the BA flight from LGW was operating that day and operations were still taking place on 28 when it was due in. At that point in time DL was down to only one 763 flight per day on ATL-TPA-ATL and it was just before they quit regular 763 service to/from ATL  
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:45 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 22):
Not sure where a good spotting location would be for 28 arrivals though - departure shots would be great with the planes coming at you with Bucs stadium in the background I would imagine on 28.

There is a garge over there. I used to go up there when it was ALL acess. Now I think is closed on weekends, but you could always ask security.

Bummer, I just gave away a secret.  
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:44 pm

I think this thread was started just about 5 minutes or so after my flight from ATL landed. I think it may have been one of the very few landings on 1L that afternoon. I wish we would have landed on 10...would have been one of the few opportunities to arrive on that approach!
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:50 pm

Would of been a good view from the Raymond James if the bucs were playing!

Very strange however, which way did the BA 777 land? I imagine it would of had to of been a quick touchdown due to the runway being so short.
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:08 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 24):
There is a garge over there. I used to go up there when it was ALL acess. Now I think is closed on weekends, but you could always ask security.

Who owns that garage? its a long way from the terminal facilities

Quoting worldliner (Reply 26):
Would of been a good view from the Raymond James if the bucs were playing!

Well they would have been departing over Raymond James - however would they have closed the airspace for security reasons over Raymond James and made the planes depart on 1L and 1R?

Anyway - Bucs were playing out in San Fran that weekend.... however, the way the Bucs played against San Fran this past weekend losing 48-3, the planes taking off would have been far more entertaining.
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:23 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 22):
but wouldn't 28 approaches pretty much take you over Downtown?

No, downtown is far enough to the south. However it is pretty close for anyone with a window seat on the left side.
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:45 am

Quoting worldliner (Reply 26):

BA toyched down in the general area of everyone else. For comparison, look at the FX video I posted. 7000 ft seems to be plenty!!!

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 27):

Is 10/28 traffic normally prohibited during a ball game?  
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:22 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 29):
Is 10/28 traffic normally prohibited during a ball game?

I don't know how many times 10/28 has been used at a Bucs game since 9/11. I thought that there was some sort of rule that aircraft couldn't be within a certain radius of a large sporting event/stadium - I'm not sure if that just applies to general aviation or all.

At DAB during the Daytona 500, aircraft go in and out of DAB - Runway 7L/25R is right next to the Daytona Speedway. Commercial planes go in and out as well as biz jets - but they don't overfly the track, like they could overfly Raymond James. Banner Tow planes though are not allowed to fly over while the race is going on, only before the race. Light GA doesn't usually operate during the race though - Embry Riddle for example at DAB shuts its flight line down that day just because there is so much traffic and I think the other schools do too for the most part.

I am sure if 10/28 were in ops that day, they would have to shut down during the National Anthem so the military jets could fly over the stadium - Daytona Beach Airport goes into a TFR for about 15-30 minutes when the jets fly over then come back around and land.
 
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RE: TPA.... All Ops On Runway 10!

Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:43 pm

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 17):
Here's some video I uploaded to youtube:

Thanks for the vids. This one will definitely be for the time capsules.

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