JosephJarvis
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US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:19 am

Hi everyone,

Nowadays, US Airways only serves Charlotte from LGW. I have been looking at old records and it seems that in the early 2000s US Airways served Charlotte, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh from LGW, on a mixture of 767-200s and
A330-300s.

In August 2002, it even says US Airways had 4 daily flights from LGW. PHL x 2 daily, CLT x 1 daily and PIT x 1 daily, with sometimes up to 3 A330-300s at LGW at the same time. My question is, was this the case, as 4 flights per day is quite alot, considering they do not have a big number of long haul aircraft?

I am curious to know if anyone has any information regarding these flights such as departure/arrival times and flight numbers?

Thank you for your time.
 
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:29 am

I don't know any of the details about times and numbers, but this was back before US had started service to the majority of what are now its European destinations, let alone to South America, so the number of widebodies, although fewer than what they now have, was more concentrated among fewer destinations.
 
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:44 am

They also started BWI-LGW in May 1992 with 762s. Route authority for this service was acquired from TWA

http://www.usairways.com/en-US/about.../pressroom/history/chronology.html
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:06 am

Quoting PITrules (Reply 2):

an interesting read. Charlotte to London Gatwick service came with Piedmont's acquisition, yet their 1999 timeline says they started Charlotte to London Gatwick. when did it drop?
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:13 am

AFAIK, the 1x daily PIT-LGW was actually operated by BA using a 767 in US colors but with a BA cabin crew. This is when BA had a significant stake in US
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:43 am

Quoting planenutz (Reply 4):
AFAIK, the 1x daily PIT-LGW was actually operated by BA using a 767 in US colors but with a BA cabin crew. This is when BA had a significant stake in US

I thought it was a US plane in BA colors and crew.

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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:58 am

Quoting stlgph (Reply 3):
Charlotte to London Gatwick service came with Piedmont's acquisition, yet their 1999 timeline says they started Charlotte to London Gatwick. when did it drop?

BA picked up the original Piedmont/USAir service using the US Airways 762s. When that arrangement ended, US Airways started their own CLT-LGW service in competition with BA in 1999

Quoting planenutz (Reply 4):
AFAIK, the 1x daily PIT-LGW was actually operated by BA using a 767 in US colors but with a BA cabin crew. This is when BA had a significant stake in US

After BA pulled out of PIT, US started their own PIT-LGW route with A-333s
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:00 am

Quoting planenutz (Reply 4):
AFAIK, the 1x daily PIT-LGW was actually operated by BA using a 767 in US colors but with a BA cabin crew. This is when BA had a significant stake in US

Definately operated on US metal as I flew PIT-LGW on an A333. Flew LGW-PHL two weeks prior on a 762.
 
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:37 am

Quoting JosephJarvis (Thread starter):
My question is, was this the case, as 4 flights per day is quite alot, considering they do not have a big number of long haul aircraft?

It wasn't quite a lot. It was 2x from their biggest hub and 1x from their other 2. Remember that they were not one of the Bermuda 2 carriers, so they had to go to LGW.
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 1:50 pm

I flew a with BA from LGW - CLT in April 1996, it was a US Airways plane, 762, but in BA colours, cabin crew were from US but wore BA uniforms, in flight magazines were from both BA & US, if memory serves me correct the economy cabin used standard BA seats but the C cabin appeared to be the US business class seat. The flight I seem to remember departed LGW around midday.

Interetsingly when I returned from CLT in late September of that year the flight was operated by BA using a 763.
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:58 pm

Quoting PITrules (Reply 6):
BA picked up the original Piedmont/USAir service using the US Airways 762s. When that arrangement ended, US Airways started their own CLT-LGW service in competition with BA in 1999

that's right ... the whole codeshare agreement.
i remember all that now. thanks for jogging my memory.
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:07 pm

I flew PIT-LGW in November 2001. It was on the A330...flight 740. It's routing was SFO-PIT-LGW.
 
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:13 pm

In the early 2000's there were definitely at least four daily flights from LGW with all three routes to PHL, PIT and CLT operating with an A330-300.... This was all after the BA agreement had ended.

There was a second daily PHL service for a couple of years operated with a 767-200 and this then became a summer only service... I am sure PIT also had a second daily service in summers with a 767-200, I am happy to be corrected.

So there could possibly have been up to five flights a day.

I remember when the A330-300 were first launched in the fleet, there was a lot of excitement and probably offered the best ride across the Atlantic at the time in economy, with 34inch seat pitch and one of very few carriers back then offer PTV's with AVOD.

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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:48 pm

Quoting planenutz (Reply 4):

AFAIK, the 1x daily PIT-LGW was actually operated by BA using a 767 in US colors but with a BA cabin crew. This is when BA had a significant stake in US

Yeah FedExFlyer has it right, you just have it backwrads.   US metal in BA colors. BA owned 24% of USAir at the time.

Here is the commercial about the arrangement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7KCL5wh8T0
 
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:53 pm

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 13):
Yeah FedExFlyer has it right, you just have it backwrads.   US metal in BA colors. BA owned 24% of USAir at the time.

There are several pictures of it in the database. Just search British Airways and 767-200. Having done that I see the aircraft in Miami, SFO, and LAX as well at Gatwick. Did these aircraft do domestic turns for US or were they operating for BA on these routes?
 
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 5:56 pm

Quoting luckyone (Reply 14):
Having done that I see the aircraft in Miami, SFO, and LAX as well at Gatwick. Did these aircraft do domestic turns for US or were they operating for BA on these routes?

Domestic rotations. MIA saw the -200 often.
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 6:29 pm

Quoting luckyone (Reply 14):
Did these aircraft do domestic turns for US or were they operating for BA on these routes?
Quoting Falcon Flyer (Reply 15):
Domestic rotations. MIA saw the -200 often.

Not only domestic turns, but the US flight that flew LAX-PIT-FRA was a through flight with the same 762.
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:00 pm

LGW seems to be falling out of favor with U.S. destinations. The only n/s destinations besides CLT that they have in the U.S. that I can see now are DL to ATL, BA and VS to MCO, both TCX and TOM to SFB, BA to TPA, and VS to LAS. That's only six airports.

Not being served are both EWR and JFK in the NYC area, along with BOS, IAD, and ORD as major airports in the U.S. that currently have no n/s service, that easily should be able to sustain decent service. Take your pick of other airports that might also have decent service here (MIA, LAX, SFO, etc.)

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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:31 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 17):
LGW seems to be falling out of favor with U.S. destinations. The only n/s destinations besides CLT that they have in the U.S. that I can see now are DL to ATL, BA and VS to MCO, both TCX and TOM to SFB, BA to TPA, and VS to LAS. That's only six airports.

Not being served are both EWR and JFK in the NYC area, along with BOS, IAD, and ORD as major airports in the U.S. that currently have no n/s service, that easily should be able to sustain decent service. Take your pick of other airports that might also have decent service here (MIA, LAX, SFO, etc.)

Everyone wants to fly to LHR.

I would love to have more US routes back!!! LGW is so much easier getting to than LHR.
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:44 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 17):
Take your pick of other airports that might also have decent service here (MIA, LAX, SFO, etc.)

LAX/MIA/SFO were Bermuda 2 gateways, so it was always unlikely to see LGW flights from there.
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:00 pm

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 13):
Quoting planenutz (Reply 4):

AFAIK, the 1x daily PIT-LGW was actually operated by BA using a 767 in US colors but with a BA cabin crew. This is when BA had a significant stake in US

Yeah FedExFlyer has it right, you just have it backwrads. US metal in BA colors. BA owned 24% of USAir at the time.

Here is the commercial about the arrangement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7KCL...wh8T0

Correct, but US Airways did operate the route in their own right from 2000-2004...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pittsburgh_International_Airport
 
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 8:13 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 19):
LAX/MIA/SFO were Bermuda 2 gateways, so it was always unlikely to see LGW flights from there.

Okay, but could service be started from these airports (or any other U.S. airport) today to LGW without a tonload of restrictions (slots, $$$, treaties etc.) like there are at LHR?

I would think it a lot easier for any U.S. airport today to begin n/s service to LGW than LHR.
 
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 9:28 pm

Quoting TravelsUK (Reply 9):
Interetsingly when I returned from CLT in late September of that year the flight was operated by BA using a 763

Around 1996/7, the BA/US stopped sharing aircraft. BA began it's own service to CLT during this time. When the codeshare agreement ended in 1999, BA began flying a 777 on CLT-LGW. After 9/11, BA stopped flying CLT-LGW nonstop, and changed the routing to CLT-BWI-LHR with a 763. CLT was dropped in 2002.
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Sun Oct 09, 2011 11:14 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 20):
Correct, but US Airways did operate the route in their own right from 2000-2004...

That they did. They also, if I remember right, lost their LGW slots to BA during the partnership so had to reapply for slots once it was dead.
 
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:10 pm

Does anyone have the schedule for the former US air BWI-LGW service ? As well as the second daily PIT-LGW ? Thanks for your help.
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:14 pm

Nobody for the schedule of the former Us Air PIT and BWI flights from LGW ? Also did they ever fly from Boston to LGW ?
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:24 pm

Quoting airlittoralguy (Reply 25):
Also did they ever fly from Boston to LGW ?

For a short time US did fly BOS-LGW with 762. IIRC it was the aircraft that was used on the BWI-LGW flight.
Memory is kind of rusty on this, I'm not 100%, but pretty sure.

IIRC flight departures from the US were in the 1800 - 1900 time frame and arrivals around 1500 - 1600, except for the second PHL flight which IIRC operated about 2 hours later. Hard to believe it has been 20 yrs since I worked these flights out of CLT.

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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:30 pm

Am I correct in thinking that the only US markets BA left and have not returned to in recent years are PIT, CLT and DTW?
 
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:38 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 27):
Am I correct in thinking that the only US markets BA left and have not returned to in recent years are PIT, CLT and DTW?

This is correct, although, I am quite sure BA could return to these destinations with a 763 from LHR with a near weakly frequency. They seem large enough.
 
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:41 pm

Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 26):
For a short time US did fly BOS-LGW with 762. IIRC it was the aircraft that was used on the BWI-LGW flight.
Memory is kind of rusty on this, I'm not 100%, but pretty sure.

I thought the only transatlantic flight they had out of BOS was FRA.
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:46 pm

Quoting airlittoralguy (Reply 24):
As well as the second daily PIT-LGW ?

PIT-LGW was never 2x daily
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:19 pm

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 28):
I am quite sure BA could return to these destinations with a 763 from LHR with a near weakly frequency. They seem large enough.

DTW and CLT could both support BA service, probably on a 5x weekly schedule. I'm skeptical on PIT because the route would probably need to rely on O/D to LON along with subsidies. PIT-CDG isn't doing that well I here.
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Thu Oct 13, 2011 1:29 pm

Quoting BA0197 (Reply 28):
Quoting skipness1E (Reply 27):
Am I correct in thinking that the only US markets BA left and have not returned to in recent years are PIT, CLT and DTW?

This is correct, although, I am quite sure BA could return to these destinations with a 763 from LHR with a near weakly frequency. They seem large enough.

Very Optimistic!

PIT is struggling to maintain a summer only service to CDG (going by the reports on here) and this is only operated by a 757 with a joint venture from AF and DL. AF would be offering a near identical number of onward connections as BA would at their respective hubs in Europe, so Im not sure a BA service operated by a 763 would be viable or be able to fill...

CLT is very similar issue and only has a limited number of origination traffic from the area, and BA would have near zero connection possibilities at CLT. It only really works for US as this is their largest hub and majority of the traffic on the CLT-LGW route is connecting through there. LH does well as there are a number of large businesses linked to the German market in the Charlotte area and they can offer Star Alliance connections at both CLT and FRA.
 
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RE: US Airways Routes From LGW

Thu Oct 13, 2011 2:13 pm

Quoting gilesdavies (Reply 32):
CLT is very similar issue and only has a limited number of origination traffic from the area, and BA would have near zero connection possibilities at CLT. It only really works for US as this is their largest hub and majority of the traffic on the CLT-LGW route is connecting through there. LH does well as there are a number of large businesses linked to the German market in the Charlotte area and they can offer Star Alliance connections at both CLT and FRA.

I do think BA could suceed in the market, BA would just have to tinker at the schedule a little. I'm pretty sure O/D traffic flight CLT-LON would rather fly BA over US anyway. If BA flew the B752 on TATL routes, CLT would be the perfect city. Once the 787s get delivered, and more aircraft are freed up, we shall see.

And LH doesn't fly CLT-FRA. They fly CLT-MUC.
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