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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 103

Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:58 am

Well thread 102 is nearing 300 posts so it's about time for a new one. Bare with me - let's hope this works...

New Zealand Aviation Thread #102 (by cchan Sep 13 2011 in Civil Aviation)

In 102 we discussed:
- Expansion of Seats-to-Suit to Perth and potentially other routes
- Seating issues on Seats-to-Suit
- NZ's new website, online checkin and seat selection functionality
- Movements as a result of the Rugby world Cup (RWC)
- Merits of the RWC for New Zealand
- Immigration issues at AKL
- Jetstar's new WLG-ZQN service
- Potential equipment changes over summer for overseas carriers serving New Zealand
- NZ's increased stake in Virgin Australia
- NZ upgrading HNL flights to 772s
- Further 789 delays
- Air Asia flights into CHC
- Potential new CEO for NZ

Righto, so let's hope 103 can now kick off...
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:14 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Thread starter):
Bare with me - let's hope this works...

It does. Thank you.

Quoting aerokiwi (Thread starter):
Further 789 delays

I haven't been following the 787 development recently. Is the 789 still a plane on paper, or has Boeing made some progress to make this a reality?
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:58 am

'' haven't been following the 787 development recently. Is the 789 still a plane on paper, or has Boeing made some progress to make this a reality?''

Think a lot of people including NZ could ask the same, lets hope for there sake they have made some progress - lets just get the bird made and flown and earning some cash.

is the 744 still going back on the Japan routes soon or is this one area that is getting ''shaffted''
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:46 am

Noticed a lot of extra capacity of NZ to SYD today, purely Irish and English supporters heading home after their dismal showings on the weekend ??
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:32 pm

Quoting zkojh (Reply 2):
Think a lot of people including NZ could ask the same, lets hope for there sake they have made some progress - lets just get the bird made and flown and earning some cash.

Or Boeing should have let the airlines know earlier about the delays so they can make alternative arrangements.

Quoting zkojh (Reply 2):
is the 744 still going back on the Japan routes soon or is this one area that is getting ''shaffted''

772 instead for AKL-NRT, according to the schedule on NZ's website.

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 3):
Noticed a lot of extra capacity of NZ to SYD today, purely Irish and English supporters heading home after their dismal showings on the weekend ??

South Africa vs Australia last Sunday evening. The flights probably take some of the Aus supporters home, the quickest way to get to South Africa is also via SYD.
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:34 pm

Quoting cchan (Reply 4):
Or Boeing should have let the airlines know earlier about the delays so they can make alternative arrangements.

No doubt Boeing's concern was the alternative involving a product from Toulouse.
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:26 pm

Not sure how aircraft parking works at Heathrow but on Oct 26th, Air NZ will have 3 different widebodies on the ground.
NZ001 departing @ 1600 with 773
NZ003 departing @ 1730 with 744
NZ038 departing @ 2105 with 772

Be nice to see all three lined up next to each other at LHR.
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:12 pm

I see Jetstar have pulled out of AKL-CNS.

We had direct flights booked for December and they rang last night re-routing us via MEL on the way there (overnight at our own expense) and a 4 hours transit it in SYD on the way home.

Poor loadings obviously ?
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:01 pm

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 7):
Poor loadings obviously ?

And Pac Blue's once-weekly is ending in November or December too.
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:26 pm

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 7):
see Jetstar have pulled out of AKL-CNS.

We had direct flights booked for December and they rang last night re-routing us via MEL on the way there (overnight at our own expense) and a 4 hours transit it in SYD on the way home.

Poor loadings obviously ?
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 8):
And Pac Blue's once-weekly is ending in November or December too.

Air NZ is maintaining 4 weekly A320 AKL-CNS services until April 2012 on days 1,3,5,7 and then adds a 5th flight in April to operate days 2,3,5,6,7 with A320
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:30 pm

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 7):
We had direct flights booked for December and they rang last night re-routing us via MEL on the way there (overnight at our own expense) and a 4 hours transit it in SYD on the way home.

What a delightful airline   Despite being an LCC I am surprised that they are not providing accommodation in MEL for the overnight (STPC as we call it in the trade). Perhaps it's worth a call to them, as my understanding is that airlines are bound to provide suitable connections and/or accommodation in cases of involuntary re-routing/sched changes.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 9):
Air NZ is maintaining 4 weekly A320 AKL-CNS services until April 2012 on days 1,3,5,7 and then adds a 5th flight in April to operate days 2,3,5,6,7 with A320

Certainly a market which NZ has firmly sewn up and a prime candidate for the new 'sharklet' equipped A320s for range/payload considerations. Personally I would love to see better connections with CO's CNS-GUM services.
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:39 pm

Quoting dlnz (Reply 10):
Personally I would love to see better connections with CO's CNS-GUM services.

I'm a wee bitty scratching my head as to how many Kiwis go to Guam - and why they would.

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Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:48 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 11):
I'm a wee bitty scratching my head as to how many Kiwis go to Guam - and why they would

Very few I would imagine, however New Zealand originating traffic is only half the story. A lot less than half for many carriers operating to this part of the world.

As I said above it is a destination which I am interested in personally, as it's a bit off the beaten track. I like that.
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:57 pm

Quoting dlnz (Reply 12):
As I said above it is a destination which I am interested in personally, as it's a bit off the beaten track. I like that.

That's what I thought, so I went there. No offense to anyone, but it is not my favourite of the Pacific islands, north or south.

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Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:13 pm

Quoting dlnz (Reply 10):
Certainly a market which NZ has firmly sewn up and a prime candidate for the new 'sharklet' equipped A320s for range/payload considerations.

AKL (37°00'29"S 174°47'30"E) CNS (16°53'09"S 145°45'19"E) 300.2° (NW) 2249 mi
AKL (37°00'29"S 174°47'30"E) PPT (17°33'24"S 149°36'41"W) 68.0° (E) 2544 mi

Even better than sharklets would be NEOs. I looked at AKL-PPT which is about 300 miles longer than AKL-CNS. AKL-PPT seems at bit at the end of the range for a current A320, but I think an A320 NEO would do it quite well. I wonder if there are other routes out of NZ where the range of a NEO would make them possible.
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:18 pm

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 14):
Even better than sharklets would be NEOs. I looked at AKL-PPT which is about 300 miles longer than AKL-CNS. AKL-PPT seems at bit at the end of the range for a current A320, but I think an A320 NEO would do it quite well. I wonder if there are other routes out of NZ where the range of a NEO would make them possible.

The AKL-CNS with A320 does operate with some payload penalties.
AKL-CNS restricted by 15 pax while CNS-AKL rstricted by 8 pax.
Not too bad. Does not really affect freight as AKL-CNS is not a major market
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:40 pm

AKL-CNS is one route where a 738 might have a better payload over this distance. This could be one route where Virgin could operate on behalf of the JV.

Would payload have influenced JQ's decision? AKL-CNS maybe a market that does not interest Qantas, but their 738s could do the distance as well.
 
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:41 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 11):
how many Kiwis go to Guam - and why they would.

Sorry to be macabre, but there was that Kiwi helicopter pilot who survived the Korean Air 747 crash at Agana.

Isn't GUM to NZL served better via Air Mike's NAN service anyway?
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:50 pm

Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 17):
Sorry to be macabre, but there was that Kiwi helicopter pilot who survived the Korean Air 747 crash at Agana.

There are a a few Kiwis there and Steinlager was a very popular beer then. But as a tourist given a choice of islands, I wouldn't pick Guam.

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Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:46 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 18):
There are a a few Kiwis there and Steinlager was a very popular beer then. But as a tourist given a choice of islands, I wouldn't pick Guam.

Especially when there are a number of island destinations closer, better and cheaper to get to.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:15 am

For those of you who haven't seen this on another thread.
Makes for some interesting reading especially on the 787-9

http://www.aspireaviation.com/blog/
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:05 am

Quoting dlnz (Reply 10):
Personally I would love to see better connections with CO's CNS-GUM services.

me too - would be a dream  
Quoting mariner (Reply 11):
I'm a wee bitty scratching my head as to how many Kiwis go to Guam - and why they would.

All the a-nuttersd like us - isn't that worth maintaining a service?   I agree it is probably not viable, but just like dlnz, it is just dreamwork... 

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Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:29 am

Can someone please advise where the most legroom is to be had on Y+ on the 77W? Cheers.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:37 am

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air...Air_New_Zealand_Boeing_777-300.php

http://www.airnewzealand.com/seat-map-boeing-777-300

From these maps, it doesn't look like any of the Y+ have more or less room than any other.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:32 am

I must say that Jetstar impressed me today. I lost my wallet and I only realised this after check-in. Despite the hassles my off-load process was going to cause, they handled it with a smile and rebooked me on to the next flight free of charge, despite the non-changeable fare category rules. My wallet turned up, thankfully, and I got the ladies who helped me some chocolates to show my appreciation.

I know JQ gets a lot of flack, but for me they have fundamentally altered the value proposition for airline travel. My perceptions of JQ are based on flying 50+ sectors on them. I've found they still get me from from A to B with a degree of punctuality that is not better or worse than others. The thing I really value about flying is the view from the window seat and the thrill of take off. I've discovered that the world looks just as marvellous whether its through full-service or LCC perspex.

I've flown over 1 million miles on all continents, so I am also an expereinced air traveller. It scares me to think that I've averaged one flight sector for every week I've been on the planet. However, a curious thing has happend recently. Increasingly I've found myself benchmarking my short haul flights against the train experience rather than another airline.

I'm wondering if anyone else experienced a similar shift in the way they view air travel? If yes, what does it mean?
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:36 am

Quoting TravellerPlus (Reply 24):
Increasingly I've found myself benchmarking my short haul flights against the train experience rather than another airline.

I'm wondering if anyone else experienced a similar shift in the way they view air travel? If yes, what does it mean?

In New Zealand, within island, a standard bus or train fare is comparable to a discounted domestic airfare, and most road journeys are same day. This is similar to Japan (except buses and trains are a lot slower in New Zealand), where JR bullet trains cost around the same as flying. It is probably natural for customers to compare options which the costs are similar.

In South Africa, for example, taking the bus would cost half of an air ticket. Between JNB and CPT, flying is 2 hours, and bus takes 24 hours, train even longer. Airlines and buses/trains have a very different pool of customers there.

I would compare domestic airfares with bus or train fares in New Zealand, but in South Africa, taking a bus from CPT to JNB is not an option I would consider seriously.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:28 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 11):
I'm a wee bitty scratching my head as to how many Kiwis go to Guam - and why they would.

GUM-CNS is a route for Japanese tourists from multiple cities.

It could actually work to drop ALL Japan-NZ direct flights, and to pick up Japanese visitors at CNS. Obviously only if the Japan non-stop services are doing as badly as I assume the reduction from 4 cities served to 1.5 implies.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:35 am

Quoting koruman (Reply 26):
It could actually work to drop ALL Japan-NZ direct flights

Why, when Japan flights are still some of the most profitable on the network??....

I too though Japan wasn't doing well, but it is right up there for profit....
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:01 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 22):
Can someone please advise where the most legroom is to be had on Y+ on the 77W? Cheers
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 23):
From these maps, it doesn't look like any of the Y+ have more or less room than any other

Yes I know, but I seem to remember someone saying that the middle bulkead seats have significantly more legroom due to the angle enabling you to stretch out into the aisle?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:07 am

Quoting koruman (Reply 26):
GUM-CNS is a route for Japanese tourists from multiple cities.

It's a way to do it, but I have difficulty thinking it's a huge market - is it even daily most of the year? It's my understanding that most of the traffic is US military on R&R, since the build-up on Guam.

http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...ntal-to-increase-guam-cairns-link/

"CO currently offers a four-times weekly rotation using B737-800 aircraft, however from March 17th through to April 5th, it will offer a daily rotation."

I can't think there are many Japanese who would want to fly GUM-AKL as a through flight. Why would holiday makers go to Cairns unless they want to spend a day or two there?

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Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:23 am

Quoting gasman (Reply 28):
Yes I know, but I seem to remember someone saying that the middle bulkead seats have significantly more legroom due to the angle enabling you to stretch out into the aisle?

not really so much after the refit (which is so much better). The front row is the one you are after....
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:38 am

Quoting mariner (Reply 29):
I can't think there are many Japanese who would want to fly GUM-AKL as a through flight. Why would holiday makers go to Cairns unless they want to spend a day or two there?

Could there be a niche for two-centre NZ + Great Barrier Reef packages?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:53 am

'JetStar Cuts 2 Trans-Tasman Routes & Reduce Brisbane – Christchurch in NW11'

looks like chops all round.

JetStar Airways in Northern Winter 2011/12 season will be cancelling or reducing service on 3 Trans-Tasman Routes.

Details:

Cancellations
Cairns – Auckland eff 30OCT11
Gold Coast – Queenstown eff 11NOV11

Both service currently operates twice weekly

Reductions
Brisbane – Christchurch 03DEC11 – 24MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 3 weekly
JQ175 BNE0750 – 1415CHC 320 35
JQ183 BNE1630 – 2255CHC 320 6

JQ172 CHC0615 – 0705BNE 320 35
JQ182 CHC1455 – 1545BNE 320 6
Vietnam time..
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:18 am

Quoting koruman (Reply 31):
Could there be a niche for two-centre NZ + Great Barrier Reef packages?

That exists already. Anyone can fly GUM-CNS and CNS-AKL. It may not be a great connection, but why would they want that and it's all Star Alliance.

A number of the same arguments could be made for Palau - ROR - which is quite popular with Asians and which I prefer to Guam. It doesn't have the infrastructure of Guam but it is less crowded with military and I think the islands are prettier and it has some good beaches.

t doesn't require a (tourist) visa and I suppose it's possible a 1 x weekly A320 AKL-CNS-ROR might - stress "might" - work, with feed from/to Virgin Australia at CNS.

But I think there are may be more interesting things for Air NZ (or someone) to do ex-Australia. The A320 could fly Zamboanga - ZAM - in the Philippines from CNS and that's a lot more fun than either ROR or GUM.

It even has a pink sand beach.  

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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:09 pm

Quoting mariner (Reply 33):
But I think there are may be more interesting things for Air NZ (or someone) to do ex-Australia. The A320 could fly Zamboanga - ZAM - in the Philippines from CNS and that's a lot more fun than either ROR or GUM.

love the Philippines . Would love NZ to fly there, maybe second only to AKL-GRU-GIG in the fantasy stakes. I think AKL-MNL-HKG 3x a week with a 763 would be perfect.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:04 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 34):
I think AKL-MNL-HKG 3x a week with a 763 would be perfect.

Philippines is a great place, but MNL airport is a disgrace, especially the old terminal 1. The problem with this routing is that MNL-HKG will be almost empty since NZ will not be able to compete with CX, PR and 5J in both price and frequency. The alternative is to cut the AKL-HKG non-stop flights on the days when the via MNL flights are operating, but then the plane will be filled mostly by AKL-HKG passengers, and it is probably not worthwhile stopping at MNL.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:30 pm

Or to throw a wee curve ball, AKL - POM - MNL


QF/DJ pick up a lot of high $$ traffic between NZ/POM
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:42 pm

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 36):
Or to throw a wee curve ball, AKL - POM - MNL

That was how Air NZ got back into HKG. They started a 3-way code-share with Air Nuigini and Cathay to operate AKL-POM-HKG with each airline operating for 6 months at a time. Eventually the traffic returned to the AKL-HKG sector to where we are today.

Air NZ would be better off operating AKL-BNE-MNL to help develop the route
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:59 pm

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 36):
QF/DJ pick up a lot of high $$ traffic between NZ/POM

I think there's some gold to be mined in PNG, but probably from CNS or BNE. I'm surprised there is no service BNE-LAE - it's the second largest city in the country.

If I had my druthers, someone would start CNS-MAG a couple of times a week. Madang (or, as I think of it, Mad Ang) is small but probably one of the pleasantest places on the northern coast and a number of NGO's have offices there because of it. There are more expats there than it's size would suggest and flights POM-MAG are usually over-booked.

I yearn to see an airline think outside the box on all this stuff.

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Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:07 pm

Quoting cchan (Reply 35):
The alternative is to cut the AKL-HKG non-stop flights on the days when the via MNL flights are operating, but then the plane will be filled mostly by AKL-HKG passengers, and it is probably not worthwhile stopping at MNL.

I guess there is no reason it couldn't be AKL-HKG-MNL-AKL on NZ81 days. I do think that it has to be aligned with the Asian market rather than the Australian one. Maybe getting involved in a codeshare with PR would help crack it.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 37):
Air NZ would be better off operating AKL-BNE-MNL to help develop the route

Australia is no good if you have a filipino passport - it adds another transit visa into the cost.
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Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:26 am

Quoting jasewgtn (Reply 7):
I see Jetstar have pulled out of AKL-CNS.

We had direct flights booked for December and they rang last night re-routing us via MEL on the way there (overnight at our own expense) and a 4 hours transit it in SYD on the way home.

Poor loadings obviously ?

How can NZ do 4 x CNS/AKL weekly & JQ can't manage to hang in there ?

Presume some of NZ services connect to HNL, YVR, LAX &/or SFO or island like RAR ?

JQ seems to be trialling a few routes lately for short periods.

OOL/ZQN was pulled after only 6 months or less with only 2 per week.

There research must be awful.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:02 am

I have two questions for the experts here on NZ aviation.

Q1 Which was the very first destination that Air New Zealand operated its DC-10-30s to and on what date was this service launched?

Q2 Is there any chance or any talk of Air New Zealand returning to the Singapore market? I have flown several times on ANZ and loved it - miss this airline a lot.

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Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:26 am

Quoting aviasian (Reply 41):
Q1 Which was the very first destination that Air New Zealand operated its DC-10-30s to and on what date was this service launched?

Feb 3rd 1973, AKL-SYD

Quoting aviasian (Reply 41):
Q2 Is there any chance or any talk of Air New Zealand returning to the Singapore market? I have flown several times on ANZ and loved it - miss this airline a lot.

There is always chance, but no talk. On this route NZ struggled to compete with SQ who are currently operating twice daily 777 services with a product that is superior to NZ's in Y and arguably so in J.
 
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Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:16 am

Quoting aviasian (Reply 41):
Q2 Is there any chance or any talk of Air New Zealand returning to the Singapore market? I have flown several times on ANZ and loved it - miss this airline a lot.

I can tell you for a fact that there will be no return to SIN in the medium to long term.

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Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:26 am

Kia'ora and thanks gasman and NZ1,

appreciate your replies and knowledge. A pity that ANZ is unlikely to return anytime soon ... it was an airline with a pretty good standing in the Singapore market.

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Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:30 am

ZK-OKP may be on the flightline. There's an unpainted 300(ER) with white rudder and the rudder trim outlined in turquoise? next to BG's second 300(ER). The only other possibility would appear to be SV's first 300(ER) which should be dark blue.

http://kpae.blogspot.com/ 'Paine Field October 11', 'Boeing flightline', direct link not working.

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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:56 am

Quoting aviasian (Reply 41):
Q2 Is there any chance or any talk of Air New Zealand returning to the Singapore market? I have flown several times on ANZ and loved it - miss this airline a lot.

My suspicion would be that they will leave SIN to SQ and QF+JQ - no point trying to impinge on two carriers hubbing there with flights from the region. No point battling Star Alliance giant SQ at any rate.
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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:44 am

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 40):
How can NZ do 4 x CNS/AKL weekly & JQ can't manage to hang in there ?

Because they serve completely different markets.

The inbound market from NZ to Cairns is the same. But the outbound market on Jetstar was purely VFR traffic by expat Kiwis, whereas Air NZ combines that with a substantial number of Far North Queenslanders going to North America, and the mining boom has sharply grown that market.
 
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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:26 am

Quoting zkojh (Reply 32):

Cancellations
Cairns – Auckland eff 30OCT11
Gold Coast – Queenstown eff 11NOV11

Both service currently operates twice weekly

Reductions
Brisbane – Christchurch 03DEC11 – 24MAR12 Reduce from Daily to 3 weekly
JQ175 BNE0750 – 1415CHC 320 35
JQ183 BNE1630 – 2255CHC 320 6

JQ172 CHC0615 – 0705BNE 320 35
JQ182 CHC1455 – 1545BNE 320 6

The CNS and ZQN cancelations do not surprise me but CHC - BNE does there is a big market between the two cities albeit not a business market but visiting friends and family and a holiday market . To me this is a JQ market and if they are struggling on this market it makes me worry about many other routes .
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New Zealand Aviation Thread Part 103

Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:45 am

Quoting PA515 (Reply 45):
ZK-OKP may be on the flightline. There's an unpainted 300(ER) with white rudder and the rudder trim outlined in turquoise? next to BG's second 300(ER). The only other possibility would appear to be SV's first 300(ER) which should be dark blue.

fingers crossed that if if it is painted up in the black rugby livery it is only a 'one off' as opposed to a full change.
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