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EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:57 am

As LH has announced one week of A380 service from MUC to JFK in December, EK decided LH shouldn't get the honor of operating the first scheduled commercial A380 service from/to MUC throgh this PR action and has pulled forward the starting date from January 1st, 2012 to November 25th, 2011.

Emirates brings forward Munich A380 launch

[Edited 2011-10-12 05:54:13 by SA7700]
WARNING! The post above should be taken with a grain of salt! Furthermore, it may be slightly biased towards A.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:00 am

Silly game  
Maybe LH could operate the 380 once a week on MUC-FRA  
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:01 am

Almost childish...

Now will LH pull its service forward as well? Or operate an un-announced equipment swap sometime in the very near future so that EK cannot retaliate?
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:59 am

Actually quite smart! Free publicity stunt!

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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:02 pm

I love it! What a move!

Why should the honor go to LH? Are they going to serve MUC with 380 service on a regular basis like EK is? No.

Good for EK! haha
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:30 pm

I could have bet a dozen camels on that.

Quoting yp6370 (Reply 1):
Maybe LH could operate the 380 once a week on MUC-FRA

yep, they have to practise take offs and landings not only on the simulator.
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:22 pm

This really made my day. Shuffling A380's around like I did with my toy planes, 15 years ago!   
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:15 am

why MUC and not FRA ? or is EK bringin the A380 to FRA too?
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:29 am

I am with EK on this one. The party who honestly wants to put the A380 in service for regularly deserves the party rights, not LH doing this as a reaction to spoil the EK party.

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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:52 am

Wonderful news, but what's going to be suspended in order to bring the MUC start date forward? Currently it's been a struggle for the company to keep an A380 on JNB daily, as JED is being cancelled (almost) daily in order to free up an aircraft...

With 2 new A380 scheduled for delivery by the end of October, I suppose the first flight to MUC can indeed be brought forward... but... if it is brought forward then I don't understand how both Kuala Lumpur & Rome can start just a few days later on December 1st, even if the direct service to HKG (EK 380/381) ends Oct 31st!  

What do you all think?

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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:01 am

Why wouldn't EK bring their A380 to FRA first? Is FRA not a stronger market for them?
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:08 am

EK will increase FRA from January from 2 daily 777 to 3 daily (2x777 & 1xA332). So there is a capacity increase in both MUC and FRA.

Other point: Wouldn´t it make sense to "sacrifice" the weakest German EK destination which is probably either HAM or DUS and start Berlin instead (EK is limited to 4 destinations in Germany). Berlin is absolute diaspora when it comes to long haul flying and this move could really be very clever in the long term.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:21 am

Quoting Rara (Reply 11):
Why wouldn't EK bring their A380 to FRA first? Is FRA not a stronger market for them?

In FRA they are starting/started an additional frequency instead. I'm not quite sure on the numbers, but I think that might actually be slightly more capacity in total. At the same time FRA is already served by A380's on several routes so the "A380 effect" wouldn't be as great.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:38 pm

When I saw this thread title, that was my first question. Thank you for hunting down the answer.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 3):
Actually quite smart! Free publicity stunt!

I agree. The A380 generates PR. Why not go for free publicity? MUC, like MAN, will generate 'buzz' by having the A380 operate. Who remembers who was 2nd?

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 5):
I could have bet a dozen camels on that.

  

Quoting bavair (Reply 13):
In FRA they are starting/started an additional frequency instead.

Thanks. I had 'dropped the ball' on that. In a way it makes sense. FRA is a prime premium O&D airport and premium traffic insists on frequency.

Quoting bavair (Reply 13):
At the same time FRA is already served by A380's on several routes so the "A380 effect" wouldn't be as great.

100% agree. EK should consentrate A380 launches where the PR impact is greatest. I'm waiting for a return of the EK A380 to the USA.

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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:33 pm

Quoting fraapproach (Reply 12):
Wouldn´t it make sense to "sacrifice" the weakest German EK destination which is probably either HAM or DUS and start Berlin instead

How weak is the HAM market?

On my recent flights to and from HAM the loadings were very good in J and Y, although not so high in F without passengers receiving op ups. And EK has restored the second daily flight despite commencing CPH which may have been in HAM's catchment in the past. I am unfamiliar with the loadings on the DUS service as I don't use it, so my question is purely related to HAM as a possible sacrifice in favour of Berlin.

Sure my evidence is anecdotal and on other flights the loadings may be dreadful, but why would EK recommence a second service if it doesn't attract customers? Maybe time will tell and they may cut back once more.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:45 pm

Quoting flyglobal (Reply 8):
I am with EK on this one. The party who honestly wants to put the A380 in service for regularly deserves the party rights, not LH doing this as a reaction to spoil the EK party.

Well, one could argue quite reasonably that EK's A380 service to MUC is a childish move in and on itself. They're only doing it to get back to LH for voicing their opinion about EK being granted more access to Germany. Going from an A343 to an A380 is quite the capacity increase  
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:54 pm

Quoting fraapproach (Reply 12):
Wouldn´t it make sense to "sacrifice" the weakest German EK destination which is probably either HAM or DUS and start Berlin instead (EK is limited to 4 destinations in Germany). Berlin is absolute diaspora when it comes to long haul flying and this move could really be very clever in the long term.

When the new BER opens, EK should sacrifice the weakest German city. But which one? I could see BER going 3X daily with one (or 2X) A388. IMHO, the yield will be better. Although, I lack facts and thus I share this question:

Quoting Quokka (Reply 15):
How weak is the HAM market?

Any figures on HAM or DUS?

Quoting airbazar (Reply 16):
Going from an A343 to an A380 is quite the capacity increase

Also a tremendous PR boost and estimated 20% drop in CASM. Now, I realize the Dubai/Germany bilateral requires EK to keep fares at or above the lowest German Airline fares (see link below), but I still think EK will make more profit (less loss?) upgauging MUC.

Insane? German Authority Forces EK To Raise Prices (by Thorben Nov 19 2009 in Civil Aviation)

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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:04 pm

Quoting Quokka (Reply 15):
How weak is the HAM market?

I am not saying its weak. I am just making my mind up if it would make sense to abandon one german destination for Berlin.

Berlin gets a revamped 21st century airport and I don´t see LH starting plenty of flights to longhaul destinations in the east from there (if any). It will all be channeled through FRA and MUC. With Air Berlin at its knees I really think there is much potential for a gulf airline to build up a solid presence. I could even imagine you could fill 2 A380 a day to Berlin for the demand the city could have to destinations in Africa, Asia and Oceania - especially wif you are EK. And there could be enough premium traffic too - Berlin is the capital and there is probably lots of demand from embassy personell... Last but not least the catchment area of Berlin Airport would be more or less entire east Germany as there is no other airport/town wich could take over its role. By this way you could really make LH look bad. A bit like BA being Heathrow airlines LH is more or less West Germany if not FRA and MUC airlines. Just look how successful EK is in Britain outside London.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:08 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
When the new BER opens, EK should sacrifice the weakest German city. But which one? I could see BER going 3X daily with one (or 2X) A388. IMHO, the yield will be better.

Thats what I am thinking as well. Its a low hanging fruit and LH should be pretty careful. At the latest when the bilateral changes EK will jump on Berlin immediately.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:12 pm

Nice little PR boost for EK there. Doesn't make them any more friends in the European governments though.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 14):
100% agree. EK should consentrate A380 launches where the PR impact is greatest. I'm waiting for a return of the EK A380 to the USA.

Have they pulled the A380 off of JFK for the winter? What US destination will get the A380 next?
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:22 pm

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 20):
Doesn't make them any more friends in the European governments though.

I don´t think that the German government will care (especially with all the financial mess they have to deal with). But LH is certainly not happy about it. Could this make them set up an A380 or 747-8 station in MUC. Currently only FRA gets these birds. Largest LH bird in MUC is A346.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:29 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
Quoting Quokka (Reply 15):How weak is the HAM market?
Any figures on HAM or DUS?

Unfortunately all I have is my personal experience on the HAM - DXB route as I have not flown DUS - DXB. I have wondered how much an affect CPH will have on HAM as passengers from Scandinavia have used the HAM service in the past. DUS I would imagine has a potentially larger catchment due to its location. But actual loadings, I have no idea.

At present the decision by EK may indicate that they are optimistic both in passenger numbers growing in HAM and of there being a change in heart over the limitation on destinations. However, I am not privy to the basis for their reasoning. Perhaps if the powers that be conclude that Berlin may become a white elephant, as has been suggested in some other threads, then the possibility of EK gaining Berlin and not STR grows.

Interesting that you link to an old post by Thorben. His account is no longer active. Whatever happened to him? I recall that there were several people panning him over the idea that there were sufficient numbers of people in Berlin who could afford to travel and pay fares that allowed the airlines to operate profitably. The general image was that Berlin was full of people dependent on welfare and that there was no industry to support anything but bargain basement hunters.

If Thorben was right then EK could definitely fill planes. But if his critics were the ones who are right, then what?

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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:31 pm

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Have they pulled the A380 off of JFK for the winter? What US destination will get the A380 next?"

I see it every day at JFK.

It's been back for a while
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:34 pm

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 20):
Nice little PR boost for EK there. Doesn't make them any more friends in the European governments thoug

I don't think that this is on the agenda of the cabinet meetings. In other words, the government oculd not care less.
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:56 pm

Quoting bonusonus (Reply 20):
Have they pulled the A380 off of JFK for the winter? What US destination will get the A380 next?
JFK has been an A380 service since Oct 31st, 2010. And will remain to be so. I guess what lightsaber meant was that he awaited the return of an introduction of service?

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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:19 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 17):
Also a tremendous PR boost and estimated 20% drop in CASM. Now, I realize the Dubai/Germany bilateral requires EK to keep fares at or above the lowest German Airline fares (see link below), but I still think EK will make more profit (less loss?) upgauging MUC.

If they can fill it. My understanding is that the current flights aren't exactly experiencing high loads in the premium cabins. It's a huge jump in J and F seats from the current 777/A340 to an A380.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:14 pm

Quoting Quokka (Reply 22):
I have wondered how much an affect CPH will have on HAM as passengers from Scandinavia have used the HAM service in the past

I think that Emirates had to launch Copenhagen simply because of Qatar. Doubt that many people from Copenhagen would travel all the way to Hamburg just to catch a flight on Emirates when they can get anywhere via Doha on QR from CPH.


Does anyone know what is the biggest Asian market out of Munich?
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:02 pm

Quoting Quokka (Reply 22):
If Thorben was right then EK could definitely fill planes. But if his critics were the ones who are right, then what?

Then DUS and HAM are safe. EK will scrutinize the numbers to a degree not possible for us arm chair quarterbacks.   

Quoting jfklganyc (Reply 23):
I see it every day at JFK.

It's been back for a while

Thank you. I missed that the A380 was back at JFK. Oops...

Quoting airbazar (Reply 26):
If they can fill it.

That is the nice bit of the A380. Due to the lower CASM, EK/SQ/QF may 'abuse' the aircraft and fly with much lower load factors and still break even. "Fake it until you make it" is an old marketing term. Perhaps EK is pursuing that strategy?  

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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:27 pm

Quoting fraapproach (Reply 18):
Berlin gets a revamped 21st century airport and I don´t see LH starting plenty of flights to longhaul destinations in the east from there (if any). It will all be channeled through FRA and MUC. With Air Berlin at its knees I really think there is much potential for a gulf airline to build up a solid presence. I could even imagine you could fill 2 A380 a day to Berlin for the demand the city could have to destinations in Africa, Asia and Oceania - especially wif you are EK. And there could be enough premium traffic too - Berlin is the capital and there is probably lots of demand from embassy personell... Last but not least the catchment area of Berlin Airport would be more or less entire east Germany as there is no other airport/town wich could take over its role. By this way you could really make LH look bad. A bit like BA being Heathrow airlines LH is more or less West Germany if not FRA and MUC airlines. Just look how successful EK is in Britain outside London.

If Berlin has that big potential as you are implying, why is QR still flying with a narrowbody there?
Of course EK could fill one daily flight, but 2 or 3 A380s, come on.

Besides the government/embassy travel, there is not that much high yield potential in Berlin than in FRA, MUC, DUS or HAM. AFAIK there is currently no DAX (German version of Dow Jones) headquartered in Berlin. Also there is not much around Berlin besides Potsdam and Frankfurt/Oder. If you compare that to the DUS or FRA area, than it is understandable why EK choose those cities instead of BER. And I doubt, that they will change the status quo.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:52 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 28):
That is the nice bit of the A380. Due to the lower CASM, EK/SQ/QF may 'abuse' the aircraft and fly with much lower load factors and still break even. "Fake it until you make it" is an old marketing term. Perhaps EK is pursuing that strategy?

That's only true if you have a healthy LF in F and J to make up for the poor LF in Y. It doesn't work the other way around.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:23 pm

BER can't even make up with a decent amount of cargo, which is another big part of EK's revenue. Not even HUM, which is a good potential for TK, at least one way, would be an option for EK.

BER is a lost case and I think EK is quote happy with their present set-up, unlimited capacity at thhe 4 best O&D centres in germany.
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:45 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 28):
That is the nice bit of the A380. Due to the lower CASM, EK/SQ/QF may 'abuse' the aircraft and fly with much lower load factors and still break even. "Fake it until you make it" is an old marketing term. Perhaps EK is pursuing that strategy?

I don't think that's going to be the case here. EK has 2 daily flights to MUC, one operated with B77W and the other with a mix of A340's and B777's. I think If The load factor on the A380 flight doesn't get to where they want it to be, we will see the capacity on the second flight being reduced instead, however from reports I have heard from friends and relatives, the 77W flight is always filled quite well so I think the capacity upgrade is warranted here. Only time will tell though.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:51 am

Didn´t EK specifically request the German Govt to open up routes from DXB to TXL (later BER) and STR?
I doubt that they could fill up 1 A380 from BER, let alone 2 (though with at least 90 examples on order they might just want to send it there too) but sure an A330 or 777 could work.
Anyway this is not gonna happen anytime soon since LH managed to block this.

If EK will start in the future A380 services to FRA as well, this airport will become another A380 heaven in Europe
with LH, SQ, TG, KE and possibly others.

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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:20 am

Quoting Steman (Reply 33):
Anyway this is not gonna happen anytime soon since LH managed to block this.

I don't want to open this can of worms again, but EK had a choice, get traffic rights to TXL and STR with a capping of 49 services weekly for all German destinations (and that would have included EY) or take the status quo with unlimited services and aircraft size to 4 destinations.

They wisely chose the latter.
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:40 am

oh ok,
didn´t know that they had been presented with a choice.
I guess HAM and DUS make more business sense than TXL and STR right now.
Hopefully things will change in the future.
Maybe BER will be sort of a booster for aviation in the Berlin area.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:51 am

Quoting Steman (Reply 35):
Maybe BER will be sort of a booster for aviation in the Berlin area.

with the possible new coalition the chances are better, but I doubt that AB will have the strenght to make BER a real hub. There's more biz for them at DUS. Anyhow, we are diverting from MUC and the EK publicity stunt, which is the topic.
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Wed Oct 12, 2011 8:13 am

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 14):
Why not go for free publicity? MUC, like MAN, will generate 'buzz' by having the A380 operate. Who remembers who was 2nd?

At MAN? Don't think there's been one yet, has there?  
Quoting airbazar (Reply 30):
That's only true if you have a healthy LF in F and J to make up for the poor LF in Y. It doesn't work the other way around.

Based on EK's profitability, I'd suggest that they know what they're doing.......

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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:49 am

In this day and age it's quite funny if not a bit childish. Does it really matter? It's all very well be the first to operate the A380 in/from a certain point but if it's not going to where I/you want to go why worry?

Come on LH send a few over to LHR on a scheduled flight for "crew training" like Air France did......I'll put my name down for it.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Wed Oct 12, 2011 12:18 pm

Quoting astuteman (Reply 37):
Based on EK's profitability, I'd suggest that they know what they're doing.......

Of course they do: they know publicity. Even if this one route is not profitable due to inferior LF or lower prices in order to fill the plane, that will hardly make a dent in EK's profitability.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:20 pm

Quoting bavair (Reply 32):
from reports I have heard from friends and relatives, the 77W flight is always filled quite well so I think the capacity upgrade is warranted here.

It could be that only one flight time at MUC is profitable for EK. A la SQ and ZRH/CDG.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 34):
EK had a choice, get traffic rights to TXL and STR with a capping of 49 services weekly for all German destinations (and that would have included EY) or take the status quo with unlimited services and aircraft size to 4 destinations.

They wisely chose the latter.

Agreed. But negotiations require one keep asking for more.    49 weekly (inclusive of EY) would have cut EK down to 4 flights/day in the long run. As you note, much wiser to pick 4 destinations with unlimited frequency. If EK wants to switch, they can. They just want 3 or so more airports in Germany.  
Quoting astuteman (Reply 37):
At MAN? Don't think there's been one yet, has there?

Yea, no free press:  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar...A380-super-jumbo-touches-down.html

Quoting astuteman (Reply 37):
Based on EK's profitability, I'd suggest that they know what they're doing.......

  

Quoting airbazar (Reply 39):
Of course they do: they know publicity.

And that is why EK is doing this: publicity.   
Its cheaper than sponsoring another football team.   

Quoting Steman (Reply 35):
Maybe BER will be sort of a booster for aviation in the Berlin area.

It definately will boost Berlin traffic. Split hubs kill connection opportunities. In subway planning, every seat switch cuts the number of passnegers who will make a journey by 75% (rule of thumb, I have a cousin who does urban planning specializing in rail station placement); there is no reason that doesn't apply to air travel. I won't switch airports when hubbing (unless there is zero economical choice). Consolidating three airports into one will also tremendously boost the cargo profit potential.

If only BER was 3 runways and 24/7...

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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:40 pm

Quoting fraapproach (Reply 11):
Other point: Wouldn´t it make sense to "sacrifice" the weakest German EK destination which is probably either HAM or DUS and start Berlin instead (EK is limited to 4 destinations in Germany). Berlin is absolute diaspora when it comes to long haul flying and this move could really be very clever in the long term.
Quoting Quokka (Reply 14):
How weak is the HAM market?

Aehm, to everybody, who is wondering about HAM: Back in the times where it was 1x daily, it used to be one of the most lucrative and high-yield destination for EK in the whole of Europe!!! (Not in terms of loads or pax counts, but just profit) HAM is extremely strong for cargo, its almost always packed. It is more profitable for EK than any other place in Germany. EK is NEVER going to sacrifice HAM as a destination.

And absolutely certainly not for Berlin. Berlin is just a political capital of the country, but in terms of aviation, it really is a secondary destination. There is not much economy and wealth in Berlin, at least compared to other places. I believe EK would be successful in Berlin, but mostly for leisure traffic. It would be the typical destination to send one of their 2-class high density A332.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:46 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 39):
And that is why EK is doing this: publicity.
Its cheaper than sponsoring another football team.

Oh please. You think it's just pure coincidence that EK announced their intention to operate the A380 to MUC practically the day after it was denied access to STR? Or expect me to believe that MUC has greater demand than FRA? This is a classic "out of spite" move by EK. I'm not saying they won't eventually gather enough demand. They will as they always do and the A380 in itself will be a big draw. It's the mode in which they're doing it and the timing that's a little suspicious. Novemeber is not exactly a busy travel season either  
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:58 pm

Gotten a little off-topic, hasn't it  

So coming back to the PR stunt that EK is pulling off: I must admit, it's a very smart move. And to some extend LH derserves this buttkick, since they aren't even half commited to starting any regular service ex MUC. This one week in winter is just as much a blunt PR stunt, and I'd go as far as saying this will be the most unprofitable LH 380 route for the time being.

But when it boils down to who was first at MUC with their A380 (not taking into account the Airbus visit), it was LH, during the christening of -MB "München". Now that was a lot of publicity, it was covered on this forum 2nd 380 For LH Delivered, Lowlevel Flyby At SZG (by macc Jul 29 2010 in Civil Aviation) and every major printed paper in southern Germany and Austria (low-pass SZG). If EK can top this publicity by moving in earlier than LH on a daily basis, I doubt it.
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:27 pm

Quoting Semaex (Reply 42):
Now that was a lot of publicity, it was covered on this forum 2nd 380 For LH Delivered, Lowlevel Flyby At SZG (by macc Jul 29 2010 in Civil Aviation) and every major printed paper in southern Germany and Austria (low-pass SZG). If EK can top this publicity by moving in earlier than LH on a daily basis, I doubt it.

...and thousands of people were hanging around at and around the airport in order to see it. The police even had to block parts of the road along the southern runway. That won't happen again.

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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:17 pm

If you want to count who was first to MUC with their A380, remember EK had a medical diversion to MUC on their second every operation flight - which sadly ended in unfortunate circumstances.

Although, for the brief time the aircraft was on ground people from afar came to the spotters mound in MUC airport.
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:25 pm

Quoting EK773 (Reply 44):

  I had no idea. When was that, any report or thread on the subject you can link to?
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Fri Oct 14, 2011 11:31 am

Quoting Semaex (Reply 45):
I had no idea. When was that, any report or thread on the subject you can link to?

I guess it must be this one:
http://avherald.com/h?article=40af6e1f
 
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RE: EK Pulls Forward MUC A380 Starting Date

Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:39 am

So is this the reason why Ek has pulled their A380 from JNB from the 25 Nov till 29 Nov??. I originally booked this flight because of the A380

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