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AA To Retire Up To 11 757s; Trim Capacity 3%

Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:11 pm

From AA press release:

"FORT WORTH, Texas, Oct. 10, 2011 /PRNewswire/ -- American Airlines today said it will adjust its late fall and winter schedule, which is expected to result in fourth quarter mainline capacity that is approximately 3 percent lower on a year-over-year basis.

In addition, as part of the reductions, American said it will retire up to 11 Boeing 757 aircraft in 2012."

Full release available here:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Americ...es-prnews-3934746258.html?x=0&.v=1

Let the slow retirement of the 757s begin. We all knew it was inevitable given today's economic realities, as well as AA's upcoming delivery schedules from Boeing and Airbus, but it's still hard to believe that we're going to start to see these planes put down already.
 
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RE: AA To Retire Up To 11 757s; Trim Capacity 3%

Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:20 pm

American will still take delivery of 28 737-800s, I wonder how many MD-80s are supposed to leave the fleet.
 
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RE: AA To Retire Up To 11 757s; Trim Capacity 3%

Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:20 pm

  

Wow, another workhorse being cut back...and ahead of the deliveries for the newer and more fuel efficient planes that were ordered. Interesting, and quite amazing considering the huge number of AA B757 flights I see here at JFK every day. I know, I know, it's only 11 aircraft being retired, but I thought this would have been put off until the new A320's and B737's start rolling in from their massive orders.
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RE: AA To Retire Up To 11 757s; Trim Capacity 3%

Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:27 pm

Quoting SkedGuy (Thread starter):
but it's still hard to believe that we're going to start to see these planes put down already.

BA already got rid of theirs, and so did Iberia.

Prior to the merger with Delta, Northwest had already begun retiring them. And I'm sure that Delta has already started the retirement of their own 757s.

Don't know about US Airways, can someone please clarify, but I'm sure that they also think of retiring theirs, the ex-Eastern 757s are the oldest ones built with the ones BA flew since the mid 80s.

So I'm not surprised American is already considering to begin the retirement of them. The oldest one is already 22 years old. However the ones flying on TATL routes will stay in the fleet for a while. I am confident that we will still see many 757s at American flying domestic for a few years to come.

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Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:54 pm

Any of these birds BCF possibilities? FedEx??
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Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:58 pm

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
So I'm not surprised American is already considering to begin the retirement of them. The oldest one is already 22 years old. However the ones flying on TATL routes will stay in the fleet for a while. I am confident that we will still see many 757s at American flying domestic for a few years to come.

I'm betting that these 11 757s they are planning to park are coming up on major overhauls.

The 757 is still important on some of AA's South American routes out of MIA due to their long range/high payload and good hot/high performance. Those routes will see the last of AA's 757 service, later this decade.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:15 am

Quoting mffoda (Reply 4):
Any of these birds BCF possibilities? FedEx??

I would think so. FedEx has been scooping these up like crazy.What makes a good candidate for this though?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:20 am

AA's 757 are newer then the BA ones by 10 years and some were delivered around 2000-2001. AA 757 also have an average flights length much higher then BA's. BA used thier 757 from LHR to Paris, BRU and AMS plus Manchester so many were 45 minute flights.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:31 am

Quoting SkedGuy (Thread starter):
fourth quarter mainline capacity that is approximately 3 percent lower on a year-over-year basis.

I wonder if this means that EWR-MIA will remain at 1x daily instead of going back to 3x daily.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:41 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 8):
I wonder if this means that EWR-MIA will remain at 1x daily instead of going back to 3x daily.

If the demand is there, AA can surely put more flights on MIA EWR with 738's.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:43 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 8):

Quoting SkedGuy (Thread starter):
fourth quarter mainline capacity that is approximately 3 percent lower on a year-over-year basis.

I wonder if this means that EWR-MIA will remain at 1x daily instead of going back to 3x daily.


It was never reduced to 1x daily on a weekly basis in the first place! It is temporarily 16x weekly.

Due to a pilot shortage, there are pre-determined cancelations that see it operate with one frequency on select Tuesdays and Wednesdays through mid-November. Year-round, twenty-one weekly flight service on this route resumes next month, unless pilot shortages hold it back again. MIANYC is an easy market for AA to cut frequencies on because it has so much capacity it can easily reaccommodate.

Unfortunately, AA has been proactively canceling many flights through January as pilots leave in droves. MIA has been particularly hit, as pilots leaving are largely senior, both 777 and 757/763.

[Edited 2011-10-10 17:49:27]
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:45 am

Comical AA needed a press release for this 'news'. The retirements a lone of pilots would warrant reduction in the 757 fleet. A 3% capacity cut running up to winter season? I'm shocked!   

Quoting mffoda (Reply 4):
Any of these birds BCF possibilities? FedEx??

  
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:53 am

Fedex will not touch these birds as all of AA's are wingleted and there is no freighter conversion STC for winglet aircraft.

Fedex neither wants to pay for the STC, nor wants aircraft with inherit lower cargo capacity due to higher OEW which the winglets bring along.

[Edited 2011-10-10 18:05:49]
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:00 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 11):
Comical AA needed a press release for this 'news'. The retirements a lone of pilots would warrant reduction in the 757 fleet. A 3% capacity cut running up to winter season? I'm shocked

I don't think there is a correlation. AA clearly sees a fall-off in demand next year and it will simply park some planes faster rather than waiting for deliveries to start in 2013. The capacity loss looks to be short term, pending further announcements.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:08 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 12):
Fedex will not touch these birds as all of AA's are wingleted and there is not no freighter conversion STC for winglet aircraft.

Wouldn't it be possible to remove the winglets?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Due to a pilot shortage, there are pre-determined cancelations that see it operate with one frequency on select Tuesdays and Wednesdays through mid-November. Year-round, twenty-one weekly flight service on this route resumes next month, unless pilot shortages hold it back again. MIANYC is an easy market for AA to cut frequencies on because it has so much capacity it can easily reaccommodate.

Oh, so it's a pilot shortage. You didn't say that when I pointed this out originally. Interesting that on some weekdays AA has cut MIA-EWR-MIA by 66%, but they haven't done that at LGA/JFK. It's just too bad AA neglects the NJ side of the Hudson.

Anyway, since AA has now announced capacity reductions, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see EWR remain at the reduced levels they are at currently on the MIA route.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:14 am

FedEx have already purchased aircraft with winglets, so this shouldn't stop them surely. I was under the impression that winglets could be removed.

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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:19 am

Initially the 757 retirements come as a surprise to me, but it isn't after a little researching. It's easy to forget how large AA's 757 fleet is (the cut isn't even 10%), and the majority are 18-22 years old. The decision is not out of line.
 
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RE: AA To Retire Up To 11 757s; Trim Capacity 3%

Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:21 am

Quoting N62NA (Reply 14):
Wouldn't it be possible to remove the winglets?

I've never heard of a reverse procedure, however some of the inherit weight penalties will still exist in the aircraft due wing strengthening.

Anyhow, why spend $millions(?), to do so when there is ample non-winglet 757 feed stock around the world.
For instance I am aware FX is kicking the tires on a fleet of 50 odd birds, and has clearly stated it only wants non-winglet examples.

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 15):
FedEx have already purchased aircraft with winglets,

For parting/spares.


For info we had a discussion about this in TechOps previously
http://ww.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/299923


Now lets get back to the topic of this thread - AA and its issues.

[Edited 2011-10-10 18:26:28]
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:23 am

Has AA ever sold or retired a non-TWA 757 or will these be the first?
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:39 am

Quoting American 767 (Reply 3):
Don't know about US Airways, can someone please clarify, but I'm sure that they also think of retiring theirs, the ex-Eastern 757s are the oldest ones built with the ones BA flew since the mid 80s.

As soon as there is a jet that can do Hawaii from PHX and east coast-Europe flights, the 757's will vanish. There was word that US was in talks with Airbus on the capabilities of the 321 NEO but US remains skeptical. You will rarely see a US 757 flying a domestic route with the exception of some filler flights due to ground time like PHX-SNA.

There are a few exceptions such as SEA -PHL which sees a 757 sometimes and of course PHL-ANC as the 757 is the only NB that can do this flight without ridiculous payload restrictions.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:44 am

Quoting SkedGuy (Thread starter):
In addition, as part of the reductions, American said it will retire up to 11 Boeing 757 aircraft in 2012."

In other news G4 and FX are beating a path to Fort Worth as quick as possible  
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:49 am

As part of the reductions, AA will discontinue nonstop ORD-HNL service after 04Jan. AA Eagle will also end all service to AVP after 10Nov.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:52 am

Just thought I would also add that US Airways is in the market for "newer" 757's to replace the oldest jets. The carrier recently took delivery of a younger B757 from North American Airlines....I believe it is aircraft N910US or N912US but I could be wrong....I will have to verify that tail #.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:55 am

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 21):
As part of the reductions, AA will discontinue nonstop ORD-HNL service after 04Jan.

It's seasonal - it returns for summer 2012 (at least as of now).
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:20 am

My bet is G4 is burning up the phone lines to AArpey's office right now...
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:23 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
For instance I am aware FX is kicking the tires on a fleet of 50 odd birds, and has clearly stated it only wants non-winglet examples.

That won't be the only major difference from AA's birds.

I recall Arpey specifically calling out the 757 fleet on an earnings call a couple of years ago, saying the economics were not working due to supplier issues. It's not hard to guess who that supplier is, although I don't think the specific nature of the dispute was ever revealed.

As US-based 757 fleets approach maintenance events and newer aircraft arrive on property, retirements will accelerate. DL has been selectively retiring 757s since 2008. Both DL and AA should have enough young-ish 757s to keep for the niche missions through the end of the decade, but it will be strange when the 757 is not as ubiquitous in the USA as it has been for the last 20 years.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:32 am

AA is cancelling their 2nd SAN-JFK roundtrip early next month (just announced) but this has been a sometimes-seasonal capacity increase/decrease for the last few years; I'm sure this is included as part of the 3% capacity reduction in any case. This was a "last-minute" cancellation as I'm pretty sure the 2x daily flights on the route were still showing op'ing all winter as of just a few weeks ago. (And it's always a guessing game whether the 2nd flight will return by next summer or not...)

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Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:58 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):

I don't think there is a correlation. AA clearly sees a fall-off in demand next year and it will simply park some planes faster rather than waiting for deliveries to start in 2013. The capacity loss looks to be short term, pending further announcements.

I don't see why the capacity cuts would be short term. DL has been very proactive with capacity cuts this year, and WN has already announced that no capacity growth will take place next year. With 2 of the largest airlines highlighting the weakness in demand, I don't see why AA is exempt. AA has usually been the airline that is slowest to remove capacity and cede market share, but AA needs to wake up to the industry and the state it's in. Unless there's some significant change in the weak market, it would be in AA's best interest to cut capacity beyond the short-term.

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Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:03 am

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 21):
As part of the reductions, AA will discontinue nonstop ORD-HNL service after 04Jan. AA Eagle will also end all service to AVP after 10Nov.

They cut this route back in 2008 and it came back around 2009/2010...on again, off again, so I guess seasonal will do...
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:03 am

Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 23):
Just thought I would also add that US Airways is in the market for "newer" 757's to replace the oldest jets. The carrier recently took delivery of a younger B757 from North American Airlines....I believe it is aircraft N910US or N912US but I could be wrong....I will have to verify that tail #.

That is correct I think we added that aircraft right at the beginning of summer. I'm pretty sure we'll be hanging on to them until there is a narrow body replacement


Also the 757 this fall is doing some routes like PHX-PHL/CLT/DCA, CLT-BWI, and PHL-PIT there are a few others that I can't think of right now.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:06 am

When the newer aircraft start coming in won't it become harder to park aircraft as some will be leased?
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:11 am

Quoting commavia (Reply 24):
It's seasonal - it returns for summer 2012 (at least as of now).

My mistake, you are correct. I neglected to look past the spring break time period. Smart move if you ask me - keep ORD-HNL only during the peak summer period and presumably Christmas as well and then reduce capacity during the weaker winter and fall periods.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:54 am

Quoting SANFan (Reply 27):
AA is cancelling their 2nd SAN-JFK roundtrip early next month (just announced) but this has been a sometimes-seasonal capacity increase/decrease for the last few years; I'm sure this is included as part of the 3% capacity reduction in any case. This was a "last-minute" cancellation as I'm pretty sure the 2x daily flights on the route were still showing op'ing all winter as of just a few weeks ago. (And it's always a guessing game whether the 2nd flight will return by next summer or not...)

I believe this is pilot-related, as are all the recent last-minute cancellations that we've been seeing everywhere.

The capacity cuts will be published over the weekend. In a memo to employees, it is stated that AA does not plan to exit any markets and this will all be done by frequency cuts, except ORDAVP.

Although ORDHNL will go seasonal after the Christmas holidays, returning in late spring.

And, totally unrelated to this announcement, no new frequencies to MIA between 9AM and 1PM due to problems with the baggage system. AA can't handle additional flights right now at the facility during peak time.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 14):
Oh, so it's a pilot shortage. You didn't say that when I pointed this out originally. Interesting that on some weekdays AA has cut MIA-EWR-MIA by 66%, but they haven't done that at LGA/JFK. It's just too bad AA neglects the NJ side of the Hudson.

MIALGA and MIAJFK see much more bi-direction connecting traffic flows. It's much easier to re-route EWR traffic than LGA and JFK traffic. At least with EWR, you only have to deal with one-end of connection flows; on JFK and LGA you have to rebook on both ends. AA has only cut MIAEWR by five weekly flights for approximately seven weeks. That capacity is very easy to put onto other existing flights, especially considering how slow travel to and from Miami is during the early fall. Total capacity cut is only 24%, and the 66% cut is on the two days that typically see the lowest loadfactors to/from MIA. I'm sure you've flown to South Florida during this time period. Flights are often very lightly loaded and easy upgrade. AA often reduces its total Miami schedule by as much as 15% depending on the day of the week, and has done this since 1991 when the hub opened. EWR's capacity cut of 24% is pretty minor compared to some other markets. EWR, GYE, UIO and CLO, LIM, MAD, ORD and BOG, IIRC, were the markets that AA had to cut frequencies to last-minute due to rapid pilot retirements. MIAORD's cuts are very similar to MIAEWR. Capacity slashed on Tuesdays and Wednesdays, as well, but very easy to cut so much from MIAORD and rebook connecting passengers via DFW or on other frequencies thanks to light loads.

Quoting N62NA (Reply 14):
Anyway, since AA has now announced capacity reductions, I wouldn't at all be surprised to see EWR remain at the reduced levels they are at currently on the MIA route.

As a restricted slot airport, it most likely will not. MIAEWR going below 3x daily is insanely unlikely. Maybe some 738s, but even that is doubtful; AA tends to prefer the higher capacity aircraft on Miami runs to the Northeast.

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 28):
I don't see why the capacity cuts would be short term. DL has been very proactive with capacity cuts this year, and WN has already announced that no capacity growth will take place next year. With 2 of the largest airlines highlighting the weakness in demand, I don't see why AA is exempt.

Who said AA is exempt? What does Delta and Southwest capacity decisions for 2012 have to do with 2013? Nobody knows how travel will be like in 2013. It very well could grow. I personally believe summer 2013 will be a great turn-around period for all airlines in terms of demand picking up again. AA will be in a position to remove or add capacity as it sees fit, balancing current fleet with new deliveries.

[Edited 2011-10-10 23:19:14]
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:25 am

Another interesting development at AA today was that they announced that they would have to "temporarily" outsource some of their heavy mx. The reason they give is that their existing heavy mx facilities (TUL and AFW noteably), are maxed out and they have more planes that need heavy checks than people that can do them.

Remember that AA recently closed down a heavy MX facility in MCI, and now they are outsourcing because they don't have enough mx space in their own facilities to do all the work that needs to be done. As you might expect, the mechanics union at AA is not happy about this development at all. This is not going to help the labor situation at all.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:47 am

Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 23):
Just thought I would also add that US Airways is in the market for "newer" 757's to replace the oldest jets. The carrier recently took delivery of a younger B757 from North American Airlines....I believe it is aircraft N910US or N912US but I could be wrong....I will have to verify that tail #.

It's N207UW, which replaced N903AW.

It looks like AAs oldest 757s - assuming these would be the frames they would shed - are only slightly younger than US's oldest 757s, and they also have different door configurations (US has the 3L/R, while AA has the overwing exits). I'm not sure how interested they would be in these aircraft, although you never know what other criteria they might be looking at.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:18 am

Quoting fxramper (Reply 11):
Comical AA needed a press release for this 'news'.

Well, they have been criticized by analysts during the last few months for being slow in cutting capacity, so I guess this was an attempt to placate some of the Street....
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:30 am

Quoting wn676 (Reply 35):
It's N207UW, which replaced N903AW.

It looks like AAs oldest 757s - assuming these would be the frames they would shed - are only slightly younger than US's oldest 757s, and they also have different door configurations (US has the 3L/R, while AA has the overwing exits). I'm not sure how interested they would be in these aircraft, although you never know what other criteria they might be looking at.

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Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:44 am

I know I'm still a youngin, but it is sad to see the 757 getting to be too old and being retired...  
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:08 am

I think this is exactly what AA HAS to do.

They have to reduce capacity and market-share until the more fuel efficient planes come in. Don't cut destinations but reduce frequencies and the number of seats. AA clearly is flying tons of flights that loose money. They have to become a smaller leaner airline given the price of fuel and their temporary fuel thirsty fleet. Cut the most unprofitable flights and fill the others more. AA is clearly flying a ton of flights that just bleed money they have to cut some of them to bleed less.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 11:56 am

Quoting apodino (Reply 33):
Another interesting development at AA today was that they announced that they would have to "temporarily" outsource some of their heavy mx. The reason they give is that their existing heavy mx facilities (TUL and AFW noteably), are maxed out and they have more planes that need heavy checks than people that can do them.

Where was this reported? Very interesting.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:44 pm

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 39):

I saw it on a Google Alert. I'm sure if you do a search on the net you'll find something. Article I saw said that TIMCO will be doing the temporary work.
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:00 pm

Quoting commavia (Reply 23):
Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 21):
As part of the reductions, AA will discontinue nonstop ORD-HNL service after 04Jan.

It's seasonal - it returns for summer 2012 (at least as of now).

Why cancel a non-stop to a warm weather destination during the winter? That's like reducing service to PHX and PSP in January.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:18 pm

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 40):
I saw it on a Google Alert. I'm sure if you do a search on the net you'll find something. Article I saw said that TIMCO will be doing the temporary work.

Correct, TIMCO will be performing work on four (4) 757s.
 
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Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:23 pm

Quoting goldenstate (Reply 25):
I recall Arpey specifically calling out the 757 fleet on an earnings call a couple of years ago, saying the economics were not working due to supplier issues. It's not hard to guess who that supplier is, although I don't think the specific nature of the dispute was ever revealed.


The comments were related to TAESL, the engine/apu venture AA has in association with Rolls Royce.

The way things played out saw saw AA overhead cost sharing burden end up exceeding open market rates for the same overhaul work. Good idea on theory, but in practice between the established overhead operating cost and market forces the venture ended up costing much.

I understand however that since the parties have been able to squeeze some cost out of the operation, plus more aggressively chase 3rd part work (UPS is a big client) and the disparity is no longer as great.

Quoting gdg9 (Reply 39):
Where was this reported? Very interesting.


Posted all over the place, however USA Today had it yesterday.

http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/s...tsource-some-Tulsa-work/50717402/1

Quoting ckfred (Reply 41):
Why cancel a non-stop to a warm weather destination during the winter? That's like reducing service to PHX and PSP in January.


  

I guess we need to remember this is not AA's first time they cut ORD-HNL. Obviously the route is marginal for the carrier.
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RE: AA To Retire Up To 11 757s; Trim Capacity 3%

Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:02 pm

I always thought AA would be the last to start retiring 757s. I guess now's their time.
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RE: AA To Retire Up To 11 757s; Trim Capacity 3%

Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:25 pm

757s appear to be operated a bit longer than the average type nowadays. In service since 1983, not many have been scrapped. But the majority of 757s are past their prime now, its time to move on. AAs oldest are from 1989, and they have about 30 which are older than 20 years, I guess they must approach their cycles/hours limit rather soon. The newer ones are surely better suited for freighter conversion and a long 2nd career. So maybe they sell younger frames first and operate older ones until they go to the scrapheap?
 
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RE: AA To Retire Up To 11 757s; Trim Capacity 3%

Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:40 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 17):
and has clearly stated it only wants non-winglet examples.

Why? Wouldn't FedEx benefit from the increased performance that winglets bring? Why wouldn't they want them?

Quoting Nutsaboutplanes (Reply 19):
You will rarely see a US 757 flying a domestic route with the exception of some filler flights due to ground time like PHX-SNA

DCA gets US 757s regularly.

Quoting commavia (Reply 23):
It's seasonal - it returns for summer 2012 (at least as of now).

Isn't this primarily a winter route?!

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 32):
And, totally unrelated to this announcement, no new frequencies to MIA between 9AM and 1PM due to problems with the baggage system. AA can't handle additional flights right now at the facility during peak time.

Interesting, can you elaborate? What are these problems exactly? What is the timeframe for fixing this? Hopefully before the new FIS opens...
 
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RE: AA To Retire Up To 11 757s; Trim Capacity 3%

Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:41 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 38):
I think this is exactly what AA HAS to do.

  

The reality is that, at today's fuel prices, there is far more profit potential per flight for a 738 than a 757 or MD-80s.

Quoting apodino (Reply 33):
Remember that AA recently closed down a heavy MX facility in MCI, and now they are outsourcing because they don't have enough mx space in their own facilities to do all the work that needs to be done. As you might expect, the mechanics union at AA is not happy about this development at all. This is not going to help the labor situation at all.

I do not expect the unions to be happy. The reality is AA must conserve cash.

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 21):
As part of the reductions, AA will discontinue nonstop ORD-HNL service after 04Jan.

Interesting. It is as if AA has given up on Hawaii (excluding LAX). This is an indication of how out of line their costs are with the competition.

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RE: AA To Retire Up To 11 757s; Trim Capacity 3%

Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:49 pm

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 47):

I do not expect the unions to be happy. The reality is AA must conserve cash.

I gotta defend the Union on this one. The rationale given behind the MCI closure is that their workload could be absorbed by other facilities. Now we know that is not the case. Also, if AA can get away with this, then pandora's box is open, and look what happened at UA with the IND facility. AA does have to conserve cash and I am not disputing that, but AA's best relationship with any workgroup on the property is arguably with its mechanics, and its not a good idea to tarnish what are your shining spots.
 
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RE: AA To Retire Up To 11 757s; Trim Capacity 3%

Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:06 pm

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 46):
Isn't this primarily a winter route?!

No.

Hawaii has two major "peaks" - one is the prime summer vacation period when families have kids out of school (May-August) and the second is the at the holidays (November-December). There is also a smaller "peak" around kids' Spring Break (March-April, depending on where the passengers are coming from).

Outside of that, the relatively slower season for Hawaii is January, February, September and October. In addition, it's only a few weeks, but the period between Thanksgiving and Christmas is often fairly slowly in the islands sandwiched between the peaks at Thanksgiving and Christmas/New Years.

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