mattnrsa
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QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:39 am

http://atwonline.com/operations-main...ntas-ceo-no-end-sight-dispute-1017

Quote:
Qantas (QF) is expected to ground its 747s and cut back on international flights this week as the industrial crisis deepens. CEO Alan Joyce said Sunday the situation is “getting worse and there is no end in sight to the dispute.

I didn't realize it was getting so bad. Any word on which routes would be suspended? Would the Australian government step in to bring an end to the dispute?



[Edited 2011-10-17 18:28:31]
 
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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:40 am

Probably no single route -- maybe one or two weekly QF107's (the second SYD-LAX), QF29 (MEL-HKG-LHR) or more likely down gauges to A330s on routes like SYD-NRT/HKG.
 
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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:44 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 1):
down gauges to A330s on routes like SYD-NRT/HKG

Is there much spare capacity in the A330 fleet at the moment?
 
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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:47 am

I saw elsewhere they've been inclined to put domestic A332s on international flights
 
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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:15 am

Quoting mattnrsa (Thread starter):
Would the Australian government step in to bring an end to the dispute?

The Prime Minister told both parties, in the last week, she would intervene if they didn't get their act together, on national interest grounds.

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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:09 am

Quoting rowan1mck (Reply 2):
Is there much spare capacity in the A330 fleet at the moment?

There's enough room in the A333 fleet for QF to bring A333's to MEL-HKG from next March without any other changes so I'd say so for limited operations (dependent on maintenance and current schedules of course).
 
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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:09 am

Talking of stupid, what price Qantas telling the press that some 737s were parked due to lack of mx only to have the union show that at least one was parked because it was to be sold. Way out of Julia's class for stupidity.

Where is the mx on the 747s being done? The engines presumably are RR, ie not Aus.
 
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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:13 am

See my other post regarding the two 767-3's - they have been flying, but are next up for the resale/chop!
 
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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:30 am

Quoting KiwiTEAL (Reply 8):
See my other post regarding the two 767-3's - they have been flying, but are next up for the resale/chop!

What's interesting is the fact VH-OGF has been sold to ATI freight services... Grounding planes... Please!

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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:45 am

Regarding the possible grounding of 747s, is it the whole 747 fleet or just some aircrafts?

[Edited 2011-10-18 00:45:29]
 
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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:16 am

I don't buy the union's line on those 737s... sure at least one is for sale but for now it's required in service & is unavailable as it's MX is behind. Both sides of this are being childish but there's no need to play on the general public's lack of technical understanding.
 
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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:30 am

So if I read the linked arrticle correctly, QF is 60,000 hours behind in maintenance, requiring it to ground 747's and cancel 400 flights.
I was unaware that the 747 was that critical, being a long haul a/c I did not think it would reach that number of flights. So who does maintenance for the non-747 fleet rendering them immune to this action?
 
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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 10:39 am

I'm going to repost this since it has been deleted for whatever obscure reasons the mods have...

There is plenty of slack in the 744 fleet at the moment -- I believe any 'groundings' (wrong word really) would be purely political in the 744 fleet. Flights would not need to be cancelled or rescheduled because of a 'grounding'.
 
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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:29 am

60,000 hours behind maintenance how safe is the 747 fleet ?
 
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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:41 am

Alan Joyce is on record as saying the QF International operation is a money loser.

He is running the international operation down, potentially even scapegoating it from an accounting perspective, to favour JQ. Now with that public record of positioning, isn't it a little convenient that mx problems only ground his 'loss-making' 747s on their international routes?

If all of this is the case, then QF must be MAKING money by this grounding?
When all's said and done, there'll be more said than done.
 
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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:10 pm

Mr Joyce has favoured JQ from day one since being handed the CEO position at QF...

From crying out loud JQ just purchased 110 aircraft... The mainline fleet will get run down A330s from JQ while they receive shiny NEW B787's...

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RE: QF Labor Dispute: Grounding 747s?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:13 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):
From crying out loud JQ just purchased 110 aircraft... The mainline fleet will get run down A330s from JQ while they receive shiny NEW B787's...

Of course what you're forgetting is the 14 big shiny and expensive A380s that QF has taken over the past few years (and the next year or two), and the fact that QF has taken 3 of the last 4 A332 deliveries, all the HGW variant with the new Airbus interior and a fantastic domestic product. QF has taken 10 738s this year, with the BSI coming in their next frame. They've also got 9 744s going through AVV getting gutted and completely refitted with brand new, world class interiors. It's not long until the A333s get upgrades (in the works for 2013 from what I've heard), and they're about to spend millions redesigning their lounges overseas.

Also remember that JQ has not just order 110 A320s -- QF Group has. Some will go to JQ, but many are going to their new Asian carrier -- Skybeds, A380 Y seats, full service flights. The A332's are extremely good aircraft -- they will receive new seats and entertainment systems before reentering domestic service, and are all only around 5 years old.

What am I trying to say -- you can complain about QF presenting biased facts (I have no doubt they are, as are the unions) but it's just a tiny bit hypocritical to then come out presenting your own biased facts.

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