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Passenger Aircraft Down In Botswana

Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:12 am

8 people have been killed in a crash and subsequent fire at Xakanaka bush airfield when a Cessna Grand Caravan went down. British, French, Swedish and Swiss nationals onboard including the British pilot, only two French and two Botswanans have survived.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...eight/story-fn3dxity-1226170076320

It happened a few days ago but strange to see nothing on here.

[Edited 2011-10-18 04:15:01]
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RE: Passenger Aircraft Down In Botswana

Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:45 am

It's a weird feeling reading the articles considering I have just returned from a trip to the Okavango with my parents -- and we also chartered a Cessna to fly us to the lodge.

The Cessna that crashed belonged to Moremi Air and was based at Maun.

My parents and I flew with Mack Air on the Cessna 206.

The ex-pat pilot community in Maun is pretty small and I'm sure that they all knew the pilot who died in the crash. I'm sure that I saw the aircraft when I was in Maun, but I never got a photo of it.

May those who perished RIP. I hope the fears of adverse effects on tourism to Botswana won't be realized -- the Okavango is amazing and the Batswana people so friendly and welcoming.
 
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RE: Passenger Aircraft Down In Botswana

Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:45 am

Very sad. May all rest in peace. I am sure that the small community in Maun will feel the loss. Like Brenintw I too have been to the Okavango this year and the news touches me on a personal level.
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RE: Passenger Aircraft Down In Botswana

Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:42 am

I saw a very small newspaper article about it last Monday, but couldn't find anything on A.Net either. But as it already happened last Friday I thought I just missed it.

I've booked an overland tour with Drifters to Botswana next February, and a flight to their camp in the Okavango is part of the package. I don't know which company they've chartered, but I wondered about e-mailing Drifters asking about safety precautions with air charters into the Okavango. I realise Botswana is a lot better organised than most other African countries, but I don't know how far safety measures and checks by the local authorities go... I hope someone with experience can help me here?

I haven't told my girlfriend or my and her family about this accident yet, they'll just start worrying and it's probably totally unnecessary.

My condolences to everyone involved in this sad accident.
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RE: Passenger Aircraft Down In Botswana

Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:50 pm

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 1):
I'm sure that I saw the aircraft when I was in Maun, but I never got a photo of it.

I was in Maun last August doing a scenic flight, quite likely it was there.

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 3):
I realise Botswana is a lot better organised than most other African countries, but I don't know how far safety measures and checks by the local authorities go... I hope someone with experience can help me here?

Botswana is one of the richest countries in Africa and tourism provides quite a chunk of that wealth. I know that the tourism board is very tough on any tour operator mistreating tourists. Don't know if this can be extrapolated to air safety, but the country gave a good impression overall in that sense.
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RE: Passenger Aircraft Down In Botswana

Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:07 am

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 3):
I've booked an overland tour with Drifters to Botswana next February, and a flight to their camp in the Okavango is part of the package. I don't know which company they've chartered, but I wondered about e-mailing Drifters asking about safety precautions with air charters into the Okavango. I realise Botswana is a lot better organised than most other African countries, but I don't know how far safety measures and checks by the local authorities go... I hope someone with experience can help me here?

I would fly in Botswana again in a heartbeat. Most of these charter companies are foreign-owned (many by South Africans) and most of the pilots are foreign-trained.

The tourism authority has very high standards for operators, and the CAA there is also world-class. In many ways, Botswana is one of the least "African" of countries in Africa -- very low levels of corruption, nepotism, crime etc.

The pilot of the aircraft that went down was an experienced pilot -- with over 12,000 hours -- and an ex-pat (he was British). He was also the managing director of Moremi air according to one of the reports I read. The fact that a single crash of a small aircraft in Botswana has made news is probably your first indication of how safe aviation is in Botswana -- in many other countries, it wouldn't even go beyond local news, unless there was some celebrity on board.
 
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RE: Passenger Aircraft Down In Botswana

Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:40 am

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 5):
In many ways, Botswana is one of the least "African" of countries in Africa -- very low levels of corruption, nepotism, crime etc.

Yes, I would agree with this. I expect these accidents are the exception, and not the norm. I would probably hop on one of these flights tomorrow without much worry, honestly.
 
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RE: Passenger Aircraft Down In Botswana

Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:52 am

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 3):
I've booked an overland tour with Drifters

As per most places in the world, driving is far more dangerous than flying. That is the part of the trip I'd be worried about!

There is risk in flying to remote air strips in any part of the world, not just Africa, but there is hardly systemic failures in the Bostwanan safety oversight system.
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RE: Passenger Aircraft Down In Botswana

Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:03 am

Thanks for the replies guys. Good to hear that this tragedy is the exception and just an accident - albeit a very sad one, and my heart still goes out to the families involved.
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RE: Passenger Aircraft Down In Botswana

Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:55 am

Some interesting info from a local pilots perspective

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77252
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RE: Passenger Aircraft Down In Botswana

Sat Oct 22, 2011 5:44 am

I stayed at Pom-Pom last summer and took Moremi Air. I hope that wasn't my pilot  
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RE: Passenger Aircraft Down In Botswana

Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:21 am

Very sad, there do seem to have been a few incidents involving scenic flights recently (there was one by Everest a couple of weeks ago), it's possible that any further crashes might put tourists off the purely scenic flights, as opposed to the ones actually taking you somewhere, such as a remote camp, but I hope not. I have fond memories of a Caravan flight over the deserts of Namibia.
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