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10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:18 pm

Here is a link to an Article which has a list of what it claims are the ten most dangerous airports in the US

http://www.boston.com/business/galle...dangerous_airports/?p1=Upbox_links

For those of you who don't want to click on the link the list is as follows

10. DFW
9. BOS
8. PHX
7. FLL
6. MIA
5. HNL
4. SFO
3. LAX
2. CLE
1. ORD

Naturally, I have big problems with this list and the way it was determined. For example, CLE was deemed to be dangerous because of Cleveland Center controllers not maintaining separation, and since Cleveland is the busiest center in the country, who knows if those planes were or were not actually heading to or from CLE. There seems to be a heavy focus on ATC errors on this list and not other considerations. Because of this, airports that I don't think should belong (HNL, LAX, and CLE to name three) are on here, and airports that I see a lot of issues with and I think should be on here (SAN, BUR, LGA, ROA) are not on here. To me this article reeks of another poorly written and researched aviation article. But what else would we expect from the media.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:26 pm

Agreed. This is a pathetically bad article.

So a catering truck once collided with an AA airplane, so that makes MIA on the most dangerous list?

There was the Runway Incursion incident at FLL in 2007 when a UA A320 missed a taxiway turn (which incidentally a very alert controller immediately saw it and told the DL 757 to go-around) so now FLL is a most dangerous airport.

A Cessna once flew too close to a 777, which resulted in a TCAS RA, at SFO. Lo-and-behold, that makes SFO on a list of most dangerous airports.

Any of these incidents could have happened almost anywhere.

This is a disgracefully bad article with no factual basis that is just nothing but sensationalism.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:31 pm

Unfortunately the standard of journalism in this article is typical of boston.com. The Globe just doesn't even bother any more.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:37 pm

To me danger indicates a strong likelihood of injury or death. There is no inherently dangerous airport in the USA, as there is no strong likelihood of injury or death at any of them.

There is no point ranking inherently safe places in order of their "danger."
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:39 pm

Incomprehensibly bad reportage, drawing meaningless conclusion from irrelevant data.

And they breed!
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:50 pm

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 3):
To me danger indicates a strong likelihood of injury or death. There is no inherently dangerous airport in the USA, as there is no strong likelihood of injury or death at any of them.

There is no point ranking inherently safe places in order of their "danger."

Ikramerica, I have to say, as simple as it was, that is probably one of the top 100 posts ever on this forum.
  

But as long as air travel has the reverance that it does, this kind of crap journalism will continue. How many people are afraid of flying? Yet, how many of those people are not afraid of getting in a car? Aviation breeds irrationality, and these journalists feed on it to make a buck.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:03 pm

Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
Aviation breeds irrationality, and these journalists feed on it to make a buck.

And of course that lady who is suing over turbulence because her irrationality got the best of her and it certainly must be someone else's fault...
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:06 pm

Deplorable list...Can't tell you how many times I have flown in and out of ORD, and I feel that airport has the sharpest controllers and handling in the nation. Ridiculous. The rest are idiotic also. Put that journalist in the jumpseat of one of our planes and fly in and out of those airports, instead of looking out a window in 25A.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:30 pm

Quoting apodino (Thread starter):
6. MIA

MIA is on the list because a catering truck ran into an AA plane in 2007 and they are putting in new lights?
This is the dumbest and worst article I have seen in a very long time.
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:36 pm

Why isn't TPA on this wonderful list with all the lightening strikes?
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:55 pm

The article is completly media trash...nothing esle to talk about as there have been no horror stories in the air lately. It amazes me too the heavy emphasis on the airlines and their brands......Quite hysterical. Are we talking airports? or Airlines?
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:05 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):

We have all heard about those rouge catering trucks down in Miami...  
Quoting ikramerica (Reply 6):

Haven't you heard, the DFW controllers were in controlling the levels of turbulence across Texas on that particular day!! That why they made the list.


In all seriousness this article is crappy writing and once again instills fear into the traveling public that doesn't know any better!
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:41 pm

Lol. ORD's undergoing a $6.6 million program to realign its runways...?!? By that same measure, they could replace SFO with an offshore jobby (a la Kansai or Hong Kong) for about $9 million.  I'm not sure but I think that's supposed to say "billion". The 777 departing SFO and seeing a Cessna flying overhead is (slightly) reminiscent of AC's 77W(?) departing NRT and having to abruptly level off due traffic and resulting resolution advisory. Controllers, in that case, hadn't even issued a traffic alert to them, kind of a "oh yeah, there was traffic there." No apology. Oh well.

This list, btw, stinks. Agree wholeheartedly with ikramerica's post. Perhaps there is a way to tabulate "complexity" of American airports. Factor in weather, altitude, congestion, etc. Now, a subjective list like that, done by folks in the FAA, may very well intrigue me. I would assume crossing runway ops would lead to more frequent runway incursions/possible collisions and weigh more heavily in the 'complexity' argument. But by simply recalling situations like 'a catering truck once collided with an airplane', precisely as this article seems to do freely, and drawing the conclusion that an airport must then be dangerous, I say hogwash.
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:37 pm

So two planes collided at ORD? It turns out that one DL jet was being pushed back, and the tug driver turned the aircraft (I think an MD-88) a little two fast, clipping the plane (I believe an A320) parked at the next gate.

How does that make the airport unsafe.

By the way, we're into the second state of runway realignment. Since the 3rd east west runway opened (9L-27R), now arriving traffic doesn't have to land on 22R and do LAHSO to avoid crossing 27L. And 32L has been closed to arriving traffic. Not that 32L was used for arrivals much before 8 or 9pm, but that avoids approaching the runway while flying over Runways 22L and 28.

And, Runway 10-28 has been lengthened.

If anything, the airport in Chicago with a greater potential for problems is MDW. The runways are short, and the patterns have to be configured to avoid the much larger ORD patterns.

Frankly, DCA and LGA represent greater safety issues, when compared to MDW, ORD, or the other airports on the list.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:56 pm

Was it me or was most of the list having to do with money being spent to improve the airport? So if an airport is undergoing some improvement it must be a unsafe airport in the authors minds. Or that someone had a cranio-facial inversion and caused an accident and that makes the airport unsafe.

I cannot believe that SAN is not on this list due to the approach and location.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:24 pm

If they want to get a REAL list they should poll around 1,000 or so commercial pilots and see what THEY come up with.
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:29 pm

I sent a short comment to boston.com about the list. It took about 30seconds. Maybe if they get enough they will see what an absolute terrible job they did.
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:37 pm

I have found this media source to be notoriously bad for publishing biased articles based on skewed facts. DFW and ORD on top ten? Are you kidding me??

However, I will say that in general my landings at MDW have been consistently scary because of the shorter runway  
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:16 pm

I'm not defending boston.com, but the source of the article is Travel+Leisure. There is a link to the original article is below the list on boston.com. Here it is:

T+L's Most Dangerous U.S. Airports


I first saw this mentioned on the news a couple of days ago because of HNL being #5 on the list. Has the FAA come out with a 2011 Annual Runway Safety report? I sure cannot find it on their website, which has the 2010 and 2009 annual reports. I'm really interested to see if HNL actually had 12 runway incursions in FY 2010 because that is how much incidents would have had to happen for the total to match the 33 listed in the article. The 2010 annual report covers fiscal years 2006-2009 and HNL had 21 runway incursions for those years.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:22 pm

"Hi, I'm the internet and I'm quickly turning into a series of poorly researched lists intended to scare people/suggest vacations." *yawn* Nothing to see here, move along...
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:24 pm

Quoting ha763 (Reply 18):

I'm not defending boston.com, but the source of the article is Travel+Leisure.

A dying business model seeking click-through in desperation, and another dying business model reposting their cry for help in order to syphon off some of those click-throughs.

Pretty lame on both counts.
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:45 pm

Quoting apodino (Thread starter):
this article reeks
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):
pathetically bad article
Quoting sccutler (Reply 4):
Incomprehensibly bad reportage
Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
crap journalism
Quoting bearste (Reply 7):
Deplorable list
Quoting flymia (Reply 8):
dumbest and worst article
Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 10):
media trash
Quoting as739x (Reply 11):
crappy writing
Quoting cyeg66 (Reply 12):
This list, btw, stinks
Quoting flymia (Reply 16):
absolute terrible job

I'm loving the descriptive terms, it's almost like poetry. Someone should send this to the Boston Globe  
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:51 pm

Oh God, what a crappy piece of journalism   

Where Do I start?

1) MIA dangerous? It's as dangerous as the common house fly. The approach path is extremely simple, the runways are well spread out, they are not at extreme capacity, I don't know how this is dangerous?

2) SAN isn't on there? I do understand that it really isn't DANGEROUS but if you are going to make a list this should be there. Single runway, at capacity, reverse operations sometimes used. It's definitely a contender..
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:10 am

Was thinking GFK would be up there. Go up in the pattern there on a clear Saturday and your head will be spinning. Factor in the foreign students from Saudi Arabia, Japan and China and the radios can be a CharlieFoxtrot. Loads of traffic. Kudos to the controllers, they know what they're doing (as do almost all controllers. Ive had great experiences wherever I've flown).
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:47 am

This list seems to be 'the most dangerous in the eyes of those that don't fly or had a bad experience at them'.

Generally, at the least, LGA, SDG, Midway, Vail, BOS due to their locations, short runways, little overruns at the end of their runways could be considered higher risk ops airports but not necessarly 'dangerous'.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:07 am

This is a terrible list - where is LGA? MDW, JFK?

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 1):
So a catering truck once collided with an AA airplane, so that makes MIA on the most dangerous list?

DTW had the confusing runway/taxiway markings back in 1990 when that Northwest DC-9 turned onto an active runway and collided with a departing 727.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 9):
Why isn't TPA on this wonderful list with all the lightening strikes?

or MCO, DAB, SRQ etc?

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 17):
However, I will say that in general my landings at MDW have been consistently scary because of the shorter runway

Its like landing on an aircraft carrier practically.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:08 am

Quoting jonathanxxxx (Reply 22):
2) SAN isn't on there? I do understand that it really isn't DANGEROUS but if you are going to make a list this should be there. Single runway, at capacity, reverse operations sometimes used. It's definitely a contender..

Why not BUR for that matter? Mountains on three sides, short runways with roads right at the ends, standard approach directly over busiest G/A airport anywhere.
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:10 am

Quoting apodino (Thread starter):

10. DFW
9. BOS
8. PHX
7. FLL
6. MIA
5. HNL
4. SFO
3. LAX
2. CLE
1. ORD

WOW.....guess the long approach paths into PHX are way tooo dangerous with limited restrictions... Downtown Dallas and Fort Worth are creating too many obstacles for DFW.......I would expect ASE, JNU, EGE, DRO, not in that order per se, but thats what I would think.....but......I degress
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:23 am

Quoting greenjet (Reply 2):
Unfortunately the standard of journalism in this article is typical of boston.com. The Globe just doesn't even bother any more.

this wasn't written by the Globe. it's written by Travel & Leisure.
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:49 am

The fact DFW made the list basically tells me they ran out of major airports to name off the top of their head.

I've watched planes fly into DFW and I've flown into it dozens of times, it seems to have one of the best airport layouts for that kind of size anywhere. Landings and takeoffs are done at safe simultaneous distances with little potential for conflicts.

The runways are all parallel (disregarding the crosswind runways, moreso distant from the main airport) and it's very easy to navigate.

I don't know what that journalist was thinking...
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:04 am

I dunno a lot of those airports have ample space and ample runways and I am sure if you ask pilots most of these airports would be off the list. I do know one pilot friend who didn't like LAX and them always changing runways during approach but other than that I don't see any of these airports being inherently dangerous.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:19 am

Quoted from the article...

"O'Hare airport is undergoing a $6.6 million plan to realign its runways."

Such a deal!
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:23 am

Quoting apodino (Thread starter):
Because of this, airports that I don't think should belong (HNL, LAX, and CLE to name three) are on here, and airports that I see a lot of issues with and I think should be on here (SAN, BUR, LGA, ROA) are not on here. To me this article reeks of another poorly written and researched aviation article. But what else would we expect from the media.

I'd be interested to know why you mentioned ROA, both because it's the airport I most often fly out of, and because it seems to be the one small airport you choose to mention that's not near a major city.

I have some ideas: nearby mountains on several sides, tendency for low clouds and fog, lots of private aviation in the area, and relatively short runways with one ending at an Interstate and another just past a major shopping mall. I'm almost afraid to ask, but what other concerns are there?
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:13 am

Obviously there is no drug testing in journalism. The person who wrote this article is on crack.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:11 am

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 29):
The fact DFW made the list basically tells me they ran out of major airports to name off the top of their head.

Maybe because there happens to be a water tank off to the left of the runway and a freeway in the approach that Delta 191 hit over 20 years ago.  Yeah sure

[Edited 2011-10-18 21:13:12]
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:18 am

Disregarding this article, I would put EGE and ASE in a list of the most "difficult" airports, just from a terrain perspective.

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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:34 am

I'm surprised the article totally missed SAN, especially its tricky approach with that car parking structure just before the start of Runway 27. I'm still concerned one of these days a plane is going to hit that parking structure with horrible results.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:44 am

I would've imagined that TEX would've landed on that list
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 5:08 am

Quoting twa727 (Reply 32):

I have some ideas: nearby mountains on several sides, tendency for low clouds and fog, lots of private aviation in the area, and relatively short runways with one ending at an Interstate and another just past a major shopping mall. I'm almost afraid to ask, but what other concerns are there?

You basically hit it all, I believe two runways can't even be used for landing because of terrain (in one direction, not the other), and the runways themselves are very short, not to mention all the terrain near the airport. They don't even have a good ILS system as their best instrument approach is an LDA to Runway 6. It can be a nightmare to dispatch from at times. I chose that one for a small airport because its an airport I tend to work with on a regular basis as an east coast airport. Nothing else out east comes close, though a lot of pilots I talk to do complain about flying into AVL.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:16 am

Quoting brucek (Reply 35):
Disregarding this article, I would put EGE and ASE in a list of the most "difficult" airports, just from a terrain perspective.

I was expecting those and a slew of airports in Alaska when I opened this thread. Dutch Harbor or one of the other airports up there subject to hazards like; high and unpredictable winds, mountainous approaches, weather that changes rapidly and unpredictably, frozen runways, moose incursions, little atc, freezing rains or fog, snow sometime heavy, extreme winter darkness and volcanic ash. Many of those things are a heck of a lot more dangerous than any of the "dangers" of the airports listed.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:39 am

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 39):
I was expecting those and a slew of airports in Alaska when I opened this thread. Dutch Harbor or one of the other airports up there subject to hazards like; high and unpredictable winds, mountainous approaches, weather that changes rapidly and unpredictably, frozen runways, moose incursions, little atc, freezing rains or fog, snow sometime heavy, extreme winter darkness and volcanic ash. Many of those things are a heck of a lot more dangerous than any of the "dangers" of the airports listed.

You were reading my mind. Juneau is a real prize in the winter.....I have been on flights with 4 missed approaches due to visibility issues and wind. That is a nasty airport in anything less that calm winds and 10 miles visibility!

In the lower 48 though, I would think that MDW and BUR should be on there.....just ask any WN pilot or the gas station attendant who worked at the Chevron on Hollywood Way........as it turns out, Chevron does not have Jet-A.   

[Edited 2011-10-19 00:50:48]
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 8:53 am

The Boston Globe version is absolutely deplorable, all it is soul purpose is to scare people. While I think the approach is wrong with the Travel and Leisure version, I think their intent was to show how airports are being improved around the country.
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:15 am

Quoting apodino (Reply 38):
I chose that one for a small airport because its an airport I tend to work with on a regular basis as an east coast airport. Nothing else out east comes close, though a lot of pilots I talk to do complain about flying into AVL.

ROA is no fun, yeah. Thankfully, I haven't had to deal with it for a few years. AVL, on the other hand, while it is in the middle of a valley, is a piece of cake compared to ROA, and both are laughably easy compared to airports of the mountain west, such as BTM, HDN, EGE, MMH, etc.
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:19 pm

Quoting NBGSkyGod (Reply 41):
The Boston Globe version is absolutely deplorable, all it is soul purpose is to scare people. While I think the approach is wrong with the Travel and Leisure version, I think their intent was to show how airports are being improved around the country.

again, not making excuses, i'm associated with *neither* company but Boston Globe didn't write it, it came from Travel & Leisure. you'll constantly see on a number of websites "click here for top ten etc etc etc." pieces, those are "feeds" which automatically pop up there on the Boston Globe website per their contract with the company ... they simply place the pieces up there, pay the Boston Globe and away they go. you can call the Boston Globe - and I would 100% guarantee you won't find a single person with the paper who has anything to do with it. the contracts are made by the New York Times, which owns the Globe. there's probably one person in the NYC office who looked to see if it was posted online and clicked their checkmark so accounting gets paid. voila.

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 29):
I don't know what that journalist was thinking...
Quoting bohica (Reply 33):

Obviously there is no drug testing in journalism. The person who wrote this article is on crack.

again, not making excuses, but just explaining how this works. this isn't from a single person, literally "top ten ideas" are thrown into a hat, and then they're pull out of a hat and 3 or 4 people start catacombing databases for their search criteria. results are literally pooled into a program, click "GO" and voila - there are your results. that's how all your "top ten worst or best" picture pieces are completed.

and why are they done? people love pictures and top ten lists. click away's are the fastest money makers out there on any website.
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:25 pm

These Travel + Leisure articles are specifically designed to frighten passengers and sell magazines. And why oh why does much maligned CLE always manage to end up on the these kind of lists, complete with a photo of an ERJ-170 hanging off the end of "frighteningly" short, 6017' runway 28?

It's just something more for Grannie Grunts to dwell on as she pedals down the long, narrow, virtually windowless and obsolete Concourse C to her United/Continental Ft. Lauderdale flight at C24.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:31 pm

Quoting Highflier92660 (Reply 44):
These Travel + Leisure articles are specifically designed to frighten passengers and sell magazines. And why oh why does much maligned CLE always manage to end up on the these kind of lists, complete with a photo of an ERJ-170 hanging off the end of "frighteningly" short, 6017' runway 28?

Which as it turned out had nothing to do really do with the airport but was caused by a fatigued pilot who was pushed into flying a flight he wasn't fit for by management. The airports are only as safe as the pilots who fly into them.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:23 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 36):
I'm surprised the article totally missed SAN, especially its tricky approach with that car parking structure just before the start of Runway 27. I'm still concerned one of these days a plane is going to hit that parking structure with horrible results.

I've always felt, from the perspective of an active airline pilot who has flown into SAN since 1988, that the media and the public in general makes a much bigger deal out of that parking garage than we do. It's been there since the late 1960s, and no one has hit it yet. The first few times I flew a 727 into SAN it was a novelty, now it's just another airport. There is nothing tricky about it; the threshold is displaced and it is a constant descent rate to the runway. The Expressway Visual to 31 at LGA or the River Visual to 19 at DCA are far more demanding and critical to execute.

The media always has been fascinated by this. I remember a "60 Minutes" piece in the early 1970s on the SAN garage (which, BTW meets FAA runway clearway requirements) which basically stated it was only a matter of time before disaster would strike this dangerous airport. When it did, in 1978 it was the mid-air of PSA 182 and a 172, not the parking garage (yawn....)
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:30 pm

Quoting sancho99504 (Reply 27):
WOW.....guess the long approach paths into PHX are way tooo dangerous with limited restrictions...

Yes, but we have the dangerous Haboob at least three months out of the year, only in the afternoon, when there is a convergence of high and low pressure systems and a humidity above 50.
 
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:39 pm

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 46):

people still talk about the parking garage - i think more so much as a novelty than anything these days ... it's kind of like the "Welcome to Cleveland" sign when you fly into Milwaukee.
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RE: 10 Most Dangerous Airports In The US?

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:41 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 36):
I'm surprised the article totally missed SAN,

As a pax, I have flown in and out of this airport hundreds of times and I am still alive and never felt unsafe. It is a straight in approach. Now, if we had a mountain with a checkerboard on it in Balboa Park then we would have something to talk about.

Quoting maxpower1954 (Reply 46):
I've always felt, from the perspective of an active airline pilot who has flown into SAN since 1988, that the media and the public in general makes a much bigger deal out of that parking garage than we do. It's been there since the late 1960s, and no one has hit it yet.

You mean late 1980s, right? The Laurel Street Parking Garage was built in 1987.
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