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NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:46 am

NZ have ordered 7x ATR72-600 with the option for 5 more. Delivery starts in October.

These aircraft are additional, rather than replacement aircraft. Air New Zealand and ATR announced this online at a media release 45minutes ago. first article I can find

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10760176
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:53 am

Well done Air NZ and ATR!

I always thought (for some reason) that the 72-600 series carried more passengers then the -500 series NZ currently uses, or am I thinking of a different planned ATR model as NZ is going to have a big seat gap between the ATR and A320 once the B733s are gone?
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 12:53 am

yawn... to me this doesn't really make sense while still operating the Q300.
I've always thought that the regional fleet should either be a Q300/Q400 combo, or a ATR42/ATR72 combo
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:01 am

Quoting aerohottie (Reply 2):

Totally agree but this would only really work if all three regional airlines (Eagle, Air Nelson and Mt Cook) merged to form one big regional airline. Right now each airline has their own preference and having the 1900D in the fleet works well for markets that don't currently require Q300 flights like WLG-PMR or have resources to cater for larger aircraft like Wanaka. The next few years is certainly going to be interesting for regional New Zealand - especially with JQ licking their lips and NZ trying to keep JQ out
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:04 am

Quoting aerohottie (Reply 2):
I've always thought that the regional fleet should either be a Q300/Q400 combo, or a ATR42/ATR72 combo

It is because they are still for the moment running 3 subsidiaries domestically. And of course the Q400 is heavier on gas, so they don't want that.

It is looking like an ATR fleet long term, and I distinctly got the vibe that they will be consolidating into one in the long run (though no decisions have been made nor will they be until fleet replacement for the other types comes up). The first indicator for me of this is the fact the new Aircraft will be AKL based...

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
I thinking of a different planned ATR model as NZ is going to have a big seat gap between the ATR and A320 once the B733s are gone?

I don't think it is a significant gap. The markets as they are, even with 9% growth in the past few years require frequency, rather than capacity. Sure a regional jet or similar could bridge the gap, but they would lose out on frequency so it'd be a loss rather than a gain.
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:19 am

Quoting aerohottie (Reply 2):
yawn... to me this doesn't really make sense while still operating the Q300.

A possible factor is that the Q300 has no future unless production of new aircrafts resumes, by the time they reach replacement age, they will have to be replaced by ... ATR42, and there aren't many choices of aircrafts in that size range.
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 1:35 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 4):
I don't think it is a significant gap. The markets as they are, even with 9% growth in the past few years require frequency, rather than capacity. Sure a regional jet or similar could bridge the gap, but they would lose out on frequency so it'd be a loss rather than a gain.

I think a 105 seat gap (66 to 171) is pretty sizable.

What would really shake up the market though is Jetstar getting a few ATRs of their own. Regional New Zealand routes are a bit of a ripoff - the inevitability of monopoly I guess.
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:08 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 6):
I think a 105 seat gap (66 to 171) is pretty sizable.

I agree

Makes me wonder on some on the small routes ie WLG/CHC, CHC/ZQN, WLG/DUD if the 733 services will be replaced with ATR's instead of 320's......?
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:18 am

Great news, something I've been waiting for since the release of the ATR 72-600. Can't wait to try it for myself.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 6):
What would really shake up the market though is Jetstar getting a few ATRs of their own

I'm sure they'd get some Q300/400s ex QF Link before an ATR fleet..
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Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:20 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 6):
Regional New Zealand routes are a bit of a ripoff - the inevitability of monopoly I guess.


I keep reading this in these threads, and always wonder, if the regional routes are such a rip off how come no one else has decided to jump on the bandwagon and get a share of the pie. I suspect that the routes are not actually a 'rip off' but that the fares simply reflect the higher costs involved in operating these routes due to lack of scale.
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 2:30 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
I suspect that the routes are not actually a 'rip off' but that the fares simply reflect the higher costs involved in operating these routes due to lack of scale.

exactly. Look how much it costs to go to Great Barrier on a Trilander oneway. Certainly equal to flying to NPL/NSN/NPE in cost, yet it is only a third of the flying time. ...
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:28 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
I always thought (for some reason) that the 72-600 series carried more passengers then the -500 series NZ currently uses, or am I thinking of a different planned ATR model as NZ is going to have a big seat gap between the ATR and A320 once the B733s are gone?

I have seen a small variation in seating layout, which seems to have 68 seats rather than 66, which is a very small increase.

Both ATR and Bombardier have been talking about 90 seater TPs, but not much seems to have resulted yet. Is this lack of interest from airlines, or just a rather tight time to be launching new projects?

ATR seem to be interested in new engines from GE, which might let them fly a 90 seater plane at about the speed of a Q400. I was complaining that an ATR would be about 1 hour 45 minutes from WLG-DUD or 1 hour 35 DUD-WLG. If the ATR-92 gave a time of 1 hour 15 minutes, which is the same as a jet, that would be more like it. But, DUD-AKL is 1 hour 40 in a jet, AKL-DUD is 1 hour 55. The ATR92 would take a bit longer than that.
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 4:36 am

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 11):
Both ATR and Bombardier have been talking about 90 seater TPs, but not much seems to have resulted yet. Is this lack of interest from airlines, or just a rather tight time to be launching new projects?

The 90 seater is what I thought the 72-600 was! If it was then it would make a perfect addition to the fleet to decrese that 105 seat gap
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:17 am

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 11):

I have seen a small variation in seating layout, which seems to have 68 seats rather than 66, which is a very small increase.

A couple years back NZ went from 66-68 seats on the 72-500 by reducing the galley. Both the 72-5/600 can both take up 72 passsengers
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:27 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
I keep reading this in these threads, and always wonder, if the regional routes are such a rip off how come no one else has decided to jump on the bandwagon and get a share of the pie. I suspect that the routes are not actually a 'rip off' but that the fares simply reflect the higher costs involved in operating these routes due to lack of scale.

In a way, answered by...

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 10):
exactly. Look how much it costs to go to Great Barrier on a Trilander oneway. Certainly equal to flying to NPL/NSN/NPE in cost, yet it is only a third of the flying time. ...

The fixed costs of operating an airline (res systems, marketing, ticketing, payment processing, safety audits, certification) is shared over a smaller revenue stream for Great Barrier. Interesting that you compare one monopoly route against another though.

The fact is that where competition has reduced, NZ's prices have increased. We saw it on the trunk routes after the departure of PacBlue, and we saw it on regional when Origin Pacific went belly up. Even though, apparently, turboprops are super cheap to operate, including the ATR72.

NZ knows it's able to cream it. When there was talk of NZ ditching the international network after the Ansett collapse, it was noted that it was consistently profitable on domestic routes. And that hasn't changed, according to their annual reports. Even when the airline had competition. So yeah, monopoly pricing at its best. I'd rather competition than slightly newer props.
 
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Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:34 am

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 14):
So yeah, monopoly pricing at its best.

Which again begs the question, if they really are charging fares which are outrageous , and raking in vast amounts of profit from the regional routes, why hasn't anyone else been smart enough to go for a piece of the action? Any "monopoly" is there because no one else wants to fly these routes rather than because no one else is allowed to fly them.
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:52 am

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 15):
why hasn't anyone else been smart enough to go for a piece of the action?

The regional routes probably cannot sustain 2 airlines. Ansett New Zealand folded, so did Origin Pacific. To go against NZ on the regional routes, the competitor will probably need to invest in quite a number of aircrafts for the frequency and for non-stop flights, the same investment would have a higher chance to get a better profit elsewhere.

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 15):
Any "monopoly" is there because no one else wants to fly these routes rather than because no one else is allowed to fly them.

Yes, no one else want to is more likely to be the reason.
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Wed Oct 19, 2011 7:32 pm

Air NZ will keep the seating below 70 passengers. The main reason for this is lack of Security screening points at the smaller regional airports. Currently only AKL/HLZ/ROT/PMR/WLG/CHC/ZQN and DUD have security screening points for passengers. To introduce larger aircraft into NPL/NSN/NPE etc would require a significant investment by the airports, Air NZ and the government to create the screening areas.
When 737's divert to IVC from ZQN, the passengers either remain on the aircraft or the all dismebark and get bussed to their destination and aircraft is then flown empty back to AKL or CHC.
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:36 am

Are these the same aircraft exactly sa DJ has just started to receive ?

If so, will they be maintained at place ?
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:49 am

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 18):

VA have started receiving their ATR 72-500s - the same one which NZ currently have. They also have -600s on order but they will come in due course.
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:00 am

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 18):
If so, will they be maintained at place ?

That side of things hasn't been firmed up yet according to the press conference, but yes I'm sure you can expect shared simulator/maintained together as part of the arrangement they have.

The question is where though?? if they're based at AKL, there is no room for another mxx base. NSN was suggested yesterday, as was CHC.
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Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:10 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 20):

The question is where though?? if they're based at AKL, there is no room for another mxx base. NSN was suggested yesterday, as was CHC.

The current 733 hangars at AKL could be converted into an ATR-72-500 base, as you can't fit A320s in them!
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:57 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 20):
That side of things hasn't been firmed up yet according to the press conference, but yes I'm sure you can expect shared simulator/maintained together as part of the arrangement they have.

The question is where though?? if they're based at AKL, there is no room for another mxx base. NSN was suggested yesterday, as was CHC.

So in that case, ATR's could occasionally fly trans-Tasman. Surely, they wouldn't send them across empty ?
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:08 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 21):
The current 733 hangars at AKL could be converted into an ATR-72-500 base, as you can't fit A320s in them!

quick thinker!! yes that will do nicely...  
Quoting JMM99 (Reply 22):
So in that case, ATR's could occasionally fly trans-Tasman. Surely, they wouldn't send them across empty ?

I expect they would be empty yes, as with passengers it is they'll probably have to go via Lord Howe Island.
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:14 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 23):
Quoting JMM99 (Reply 22):
So in that case, ATR's could occasionally fly trans-Tasman. Surely, they wouldn't send them across empty ?


I expect they would be empty yes, as with passengers it is they'll probably have to go via Lord Howe Island.

Surely then, they'd be better off to send them across with passengers, just not full aircraft then ?

What is their maximum range ? Or does ETOPS kill idea of passengers being carried across tasman ?
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Thu Oct 20, 2011 2:20 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 20):
The question is where though?? if they're based at AKL, there is no room for another mxx base. NSN was suggested yesterday, as was CHC.

NSN is the current ATR and Dash 8 MX base. The latest hanger was built to handle ATR's even though no ATR's are scheduled to operate thru NSN at the moment.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 21):
The current 733 hangars at AKL could be converted into an ATR-72-500 base, as you can't fit A320s in them!

The 3 current hangers for the 737's in AKL are only for overnight checks. The main 737 base is in CHC. Of the 3 hanger bays in AKL for the 737, 1 has been converted to an engine bay for the 777's. The second will be used by Altitude for BBJ modification. This will only leave the 1 bay for 737 or possibly 2 ATR's.
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:29 am

Quoting aerohottie (Reply 2):
yawn... to me this doesn't really make sense while still operating the Q300.

CEO Rob Fyfe said that these frames will allow NZ to move away from smaller aircraft as the are far more efficent than the older ones. So the -300 days could be numbered.
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Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:37 pm

Quoting aerorobnz (Thread starter):
NZ have ordered 7x ATR72-600 with the option for 5 more. Delivery starts in October.

As in October 2011? How could they get a frame so soon? I thought the ATR had a pretty good backlog.
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Thu Oct 20, 2011 6:59 pm

Quoting rbgso (Reply 27):
As in October 2011? How could they get a frame so soon? I thought the ATR had a pretty good backlog.

IIRC, ATR had some unidentified customers on their order list. NZ could be one of those.
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Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:10 pm

Quoting rbgso (Reply 27):
As in October 2011? How could they get a frame so soon? I thought the ATR had a pretty good backlog.

No, as stated in the article linked by the OP it will be in October 2012.
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Thu Oct 20, 2011 7:16 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 28):
IIRC, ATR had some unidentified customers on their order list. NZ could be one of those.

I think it's been said that NZ (nor any New Zealand company) can't be an unidentified customer, as any purchase must be announced to the market. Hopefully someone can clarify.

As a (somewhat) regular ATR flier to and from PMR, I can only say I'm happy with this purchase. I've always found the ATR a pleasant aircraft. (Though I don't have a problem with the Q300 either). I'm sure the -600 model will only be an improvement, and I do wonder if NZ will refit the -500s with the new interiors (they are probably coming due for a refurb by my estimation).

NZ controls regional markets through sheer power of frequency, and though locals (particularly here in PMR) like to complain about the pricing, there are over 600 seats AKL-PMR per day (on weekdays) so one thing they cannot claim is that the market is underserved. I do hope they look at the stretch ATR (when/if it is ever announced), because frequency can only go so far before price becomes more important.

Though the spotter in me would like to see PMR as a jet destination for NZ, I look forward to seeing ATRs long into the future. I can also see the Q300 being replaced by the ATR-42-600. Time will tell, I guess.

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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:06 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 26):
So the -300 days could be numbered.

That would be hard to believe unless the used market is strong. The average age of the Q300 fleet was 4.4-years as at June 30th 2011 . I would expect another 10 -years minimum . For reference the ATR's were 10.4-years.
 
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Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:23 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 26):
CEO Rob Fyfe said that these frames will allow NZ to move away from smaller aircraft as the are far more efficent than the older ones. So the -300 days could be numbered

He also said that [some of the] -300s would be rolled over to the Beech 1900 routes, which in turn could be used to open new routes. So it really is a top-down expansion. Don't think the -300 days are numbered.

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Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:52 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 26):
So the -300 days could be numbered.

If anything I guess in the long term the Q300 will be used on B1900 routes when the 1900 retires. This would make the TP fleet AT7s and Q300s/AT4 (sized aircaraft). I know theres a jump in capacity but tell me an aircraft NZ would replace the B1900 with which is similar in size
 
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Thu Oct 20, 2011 10:14 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 19):
VA have started receiving their ATR 72-500s - the same one which NZ currently have. They also have -600s on order but they will come in due course.

Considering VA are an existing ATR operator, I wonder if this influenced ANZ's decision in anyway. you would think combining of the fleets of the two operators would allow fro some economic synergies.
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:23 am

Quoting rbgso (Reply 27):
As in October 2011? How could they get a frame so soon? I thought the ATR had a pretty good backlog.

October 2012. in 1 year.
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:29 am

Quoting joelyboy911 (Reply 30):
the thrashing New Zealand rugby team will give to the French on sunday

Yeaaaaah. we'll see about that (and though I keep a hope deep down, I really mean we'll see a trashing from our kiwi "friends")...
Maybe the order will be cancelled if the All Blacks are defeated at home, after the performances we've seen against Tonga, the Black themselves and Wales.
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:11 am

Quoting icna05e (Reply 36):
Maybe the order will be cancelled if the All Blacks are defeated at home

ATR presented Air NZ with a model of the new aircraft, we presented ATR with a signed 2011 All Black Jersey from the World Cup. The guy from ATR even made reference to the ABs beating France and not being allowed back into France on his return because of his comments...haha
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:46 am

Quoting icna05e (Reply 36):
Maybe the order will be cancelled if the All Blacks are defeated at home, after the performances we've seen against Tonga, the Black themselves and Wales.

The Italians are already out of the RWC so I don't see why NZ would choose to penalise them by cancelling the ATR order.
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:21 am

Quoting travelhound (Reply 34):
Considering VA are an existing ATR operator, I wonder if this influenced ANZ's decision in anyway. you would think combining of the fleets of the two operators would allow fro some economic synergies.

Combining the fleet (involving the trade of assets) between the two companies is not an option as NZ only owns 19.9% of VA. When VA needs to use a NZ aircraft or vv, it will be like a lease. NZ is also an existing AT7 operator, and has more experience in this type than VA, I don't see how VA's AT7 fleet performances would influence NZ's decision to purchase the type if NZ is not happy with them in the first place.
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:37 am

Quoting cchan (Reply 39):

Yes, on the whole you are correct, but there will be potential for pooling of spare parts, pilot and crew training and maintenance.
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:01 am

Quoting travelhound (Reply 40):
Yes, on the whole you are correct, but there will be potential for pooling of spare parts, pilot and crew training and maintenance.

There will most likely be some pooling of maintenance etc., and the cost will be split between the two companies.
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:07 am

Quoting icna05e (Reply 36):
Maybe the order will be cancelled if the All Blacks are defeated at home, after the performances we've seen against Tonga, the Black themselves and Wales

Haha might be a point there. Should NZ loose they may well cancel the ATR deal and place orders for Q400s. We did thrash canada after all...  
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:07 am

Quoting zkncj (Reply 21):
The current 733 hangars at AKL could be converted into an ATR-72-500 base, as you can't fit A320s in them!

This is not an option. Hangar 1 (B733 Hangar) is being discontinued as an overnight facility shortly with the work being carried out in Hangar 2 (B767/A320 Hangar). There are plans for Hangar 1 which I can't elaborate on yet.

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 18):
If so, will they be maintained at place ?
Quoting nascarnut (Reply 25):
NSN is the current ATR and Dash 8 MX base. The latest hanger was built to handle ATR's even though no ATR's are scheduled to operate thru NSN at the moment.

Having no scheduled flights is a non issue. Currently when an ATR is required in NSN for maintenance, a 1 way additional revenue sector is created. I think you will see the ATR72-600 maintained in NSN for Heavy Maintenance, with maybe Line/Overnight work being done by AKL based staff.

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Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:05 am

Considering that the announcement says the new ATR72-600 will be based in AKL, and maintenance likely to be in NSN, will these new planes be operated by CHC based Mount Cook, or will it be someone else?
 
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Quoting cchan (Reply 44):
Considering that the announcement says the new ATR72-600 will be based in AKL, and maintenance likely to be in NSN, will these new planes be operated by CHC based Mount Cook, or will it be someone else?

This hasn't been decided yet. I think the writing is on the wall for the 3 domestic subsidiaries to become one.
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:20 am

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 45):
This hasn't been decided yet. I think the writing is on the wall for the 3 domestic subsidiaries to become one.

Hopefully they would still retain different flight number series for different aircraft types, if they decide to merge.
 
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:57 am

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 43):
Having no scheduled flights is a non issue. Currently when an ATR is required in NSN for maintenance, a 1 way additional revenue sector is created. I think you will see the ATR72-600 maintained in NSN for Heavy Maintenance, with maybe Line/Overnight work being done by AKL based staff.NZ1

The ATR usually replaces the Q300 on the last CHC-NSN flight on a Sunday and then the early AM Monday departure back to CHC to accomodate the aircraft swap no?

Quoting cchan (Reply 44):
Quoting cchan (Reply 44):Considering that the announcement says the new ATR72-600 will be based in AKL, and maintenance likely to be in NSN, will these new planes be operated by CHC based Mount Cook, or will it be someone else?This hasn't been decided yet. I think the writing is on the wall for the 3 domestic subsidiaries to become one.

I'm not sure I agree with you here, although the long term future of Eagle and the B1900 has been subject to speculation for some time. Much of the speculation has centered around a downsizing of the B1900 fleet and the use of the Q300 on some of the busier Eagle routes. Merging the AoC's is not impossible, but would be an industrial relations nightmare. Perhaps a consolidation of some parts of operation control would be a first step?

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 17):
Air NZ will keep the seating below 70 passengers. The main reason for this is lack of Security screening points at the smaller regional airports. Currently only AKL/HLZ/ROT/PMR/WLG/CHC/ZQN and DUD have security screening points for passengers. To introduce larger aircraft into NPL/NSN/NPE etc would require a significant investment by the airports, Air NZ and the government to create the screening areas.
When 737's divert to IVC from ZQN, the passengers either remain on the aircraft or the all dismebark and get bussed to their destination and aircraft is then flown empty back to AKL or CHC.

Screening applies to aircraft with a capacity above 90 seats.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 14):
NZ knows it's able to cream it. When there was talk of NZ ditching the international network after the Ansett collapse, it was noted that it was consistently profitable on domestic routes. And that hasn't changed, according to their annual reports. Even when the airline had competition. So yeah, monopoly pricing at its best. I'd rather competition than slightly newer props

JQ came very close to setting up a Q400 operation here last year. Why it never happened I don't know, whether it's still in the pipeline I'm not sure about either.
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RE: NZ Orders ATR72-600

Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:16 am

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 47):

Screening applies to aircraft with a capacity above 90 seats.


There is a centrefold picture in a recent AirlinerWorld of a FlyBe E-175 just about to be delivered. This will be a new type in FlyBe's fleet - they already have Embraer E-195s with 120 seats and a big fleet of Q400s. Of interest to NZ regional routes - the E-175 will have a capacity of 88 seats.

This E-175 will be interesting on FlyBe's routes - it is bigger than the E-170 which Virgin find to be uneconomic - I wonder if the extra 12 seats make a difference? FlyBe will have some routes that are a big longer than ideal for a Q400 but not quite big enough to support an E-195.

I know that it can be tricky comparing routes in NZ with routes in Europe, but if the E-175 works for FlyBe there might be some routes in this part of the world where it would work here.