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Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:11 am

No injuries, but some damage for this old bird for sure.

Will IR repair this 727...? My bet is yes, but who knows...

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=444b62b9&opt=0

Rgds.

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Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:19 am

Quoting Gonzalo (Thread starter):
Will IR repair this 727...? My bet is yes, but who knows...

Always depends on the amount of damage. The airplane is for sure old, but question is: is the damage serious enough that it will be a write off or not?
We have to wait and see.

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Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:31 pm

19 crew on a B722???? That seems a bit much, no?
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Wed Oct 19, 2011 10:50 pm

Where is a Nissan Frontier when you need it?

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Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:02 am

Any ideas on what caused the landing gear to fail?
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:46 pm

From what I heard, the pilots did a superb job in executing the emergency landing. Many photos on A.net from Iranian spotters testify to the skill of Iran Air mechanics in keeping old birds flying. Unless there's a major structural issue, I am sure that old bird will be patched up "better than new" and up and flying again.
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Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:52 pm

Quoting fanofjets (Reply 5):
From what I heard, the pilots did a superb job in executing the emergency landing.

Apparently that is correct. Looking at this pic I can not see any damage to the fuselage, so the G forces the frame deal with must be within limits even without the gear there to absorb the energy.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Iran-...d=7f227c9ece795f8b2b57594fd1539ef1

Let´s hope this classic left the ground again...

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Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:49 pm

Quoting koreana380 (Reply 4):
Any ideas on what caused the landing gear to fail?

Years ago, I had a 727 nose gear fail to deploy on extension. Actually, there can be NO doubt when that happens. When the gear handle is put down, there is about a 1 to 2 second delay and then the noise level increases about 3 fold in the cockpit when the nose doors open. When we lowered the gear on approach, the "loudest noise you never heard" was the silence in the cockpit. Cycling the gear twice, we appreciated the obvious noise when it finally did extend with the welcomed noise accompanying the green light. Talking later with one of the maintenance people I found out that there is a grease fitting in a fairly awkward position that had probably had been overlooked during some maintenance.
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:28 am

Looks like they did an excellent job, note the horizontal stabiliser in a nearly full nose up position.




This is an extremely powerful control surface on the B727 and would have allowed the Pilots to keep the nose off the ground down to a very low airspeed.




Combined with the excellent control response this will have minimised any damage.



As tough as the wonderful 727 is I suspect it will be a question of some minor skin repair and then back into service.



Love the Iran Air fleet, for me it is a retro Airliner fan's dream come true !



Can anyone list it ?
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Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:06 am

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 6):

Did anyone notice the rear emergency slide? look at that drop off after the initial slide! what a ride!
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:37 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 8):
Can anyone list it ?
http://www.airfleets.es/flottecie/Iran%20Air.htm

Not complete, in fact the 727 are not listed....

Quoting HNLsurfer (Reply 9):
Did anyone notice the rear emergency slide? look at that drop off after the initial slide! what a ride!

Well, yes, but that thing should be closer to the ground with the weight of a person sliding.

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Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:01 pm

Don't know how many of you can access this video, but here is the recording of the B727 landing in Tehran.
Quite impressive if you ask me. Congrats to the pilots for keeping the nose up for so long.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150371695513491
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:10 pm

Interesting images.

I noted 2 CH47 ans 2 C130 in the background.

Also about 4 B707 and 5 B747.
 
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Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:39 pm

Quoting ju068 (Reply 11):
Don't know how many of you can access this video, but here is the recording of the B727 landing in Tehran.
Quite impressive if you ask me. Congrats to the pilots for keeping the nose up for so long.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=...13491

Wow... that's perfect!!!
 
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Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:28 am

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 10):
Not complete, in fact the 727 are not listed....
http://www.aerotransport.org/php/go....qstring=Iran+Air&where=41694&luck=

Only one listed as active.

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Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:37 am

Excellent Job, really great, i notice he did not deploy the spoilers after landing either which will have helped in keeping the nose up longer.



I doubt the damage is that severe with such a light touchdown.
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Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:39 am

Thanks Gonz,



Looking at their fleet I feel like I am in a time warp, great stuff !
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Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:40 am

Quoting viasa (Reply 13):
Wow... that's perfect!!!

Thumbs up to those great pilots! Beautiful way to put that plane on the ground with no apparent damage!

Hope to see her back in the air soon..

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Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:11 am

Hello all.....


here is a video link of the landing

enjoy...!!!

http://www.iranaffairs.com/iran_affa...727-landing-without-nose-gear.html
 
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Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:58 pm

Fantastic piece of airmanship. Sensational watching that bird balance on the main gear like that. I hope Boeing send the crew something to congragulate them, they deserve it.
 
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Mon Oct 31, 2011 2:00 am

Re: "Heroics" et al.


As a professional airline pilot, I'm just trying to understand what is so "heroic" about landing a plane with no nose gear. Basically you land the same as you would in normal circumstances.

This is reminiscent of the insanely overhyped emergency landing of a JetBlue A320 in California a few years ago, or the more recent ASA landing at JFK.

That's no offense to the IR crew, but they weren't exactly in the throes of a serious emergency. Calling the guys "heroes" is unfair to those pilots who really did excel, and save lives, in the heat of battle.

And no, I don't mean Chesley Sullenberger. Instead, Google the names Brian Witcher or Barry Gottshall (UA and American Eagle respectively).


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Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:38 am

Quoting aviateur (Reply 20):
As a professional airline pilot, I'm just trying to understand what is so "heroic" about landing a plane with no nose gear. Basically you land the same as you would in normal circumstances.

There's nothing to understand because it's not heroic. To suggest that the pilots put their own life and/or well-being at risk to benefit another is to ignore their own peril in the matter.

Excellence does not equal heroism. These pilots demonstrated excellence in their handling of this situation, and everybody on board benefitted, including themselves.
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Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:02 am

Here's another example of excellence in a crisis - landing a Boeing 707 missing number 4 engine and 1/3 of the right wing blazing away. Pan Am 843 at SFO, 1965 - Captain Charles Kimes kept his cool. I love the part where he considers ditching, but says, "you should never do something in a hurry in an airplane unless you have to!"

http://books.google.com/books?id=R1M...ed=0CFwQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q&f=false

[Edited 2011-10-30 21:09:33]
 
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Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:43 am

Not sure why a newer thread was merged into an older one, it makes no sense and lacks continuity.




Fact is, Professional Pilots are paid to fly their Aircraft in normal, abnormal, and emergency situations.





When we do a good job, as this Iran Air Pilot did and as Cpt Sully did, we simply affirm our training, competency and experience, perhaps it may help in dissuading some of the public we are not all alcoholics that work one week a month for a gargantuan salary.



While there are, probably a few of us that would relish the 'hero' status they are most certainly the minority, the vast majority of my peers, myself included, do not seek any attention and are happy with the personal knowledge that we have handled a challenging situation well, avoiding if at all possible damage to our Aircraft and most importantly injury or loss of life to our passengers and crew.



Believe me, we are our own worst critics, that Iran Air Pilot whose landing was without reproach is probably still going over in his mind how he could have done it better.



He did a great job, but that's it, that is his job.



Captain Sully did a great job, that was his job too, neither were 'hero's' he got a lot of media attention for it, but this certainly did not originate with the FAA, why on earth would it ?



They are a regulatory and law enforcing government aviation authority, not a cheerleading organisation.




Sully got a lot of attention and to his great credit used it as an opportunity to be a strong advocate for todays Professional Pilots, he did as good a job in this role as he did in his ditching.
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Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:30 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 23):
Not sure why a newer thread was merged into an older one, it makes no sense and lacks continuity.

I doesn't make sense to me either...

Quoting ju068 (Reply 11):
Congrats to the pilots for keeping the nose up for so long.

The pilot has been banned from flying for 2 months - nice congratulations...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...lying/story-e6frg6so-1226181223050
 
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RE: Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:25 am

Quoting qantas747flyer (Reply 24):

The pilot has been banned from flying for 2 months - nice congratulations...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...23050

The Iran Air pilot's suspension has also made it into the UK Independent Newspaper under the story title: "Hero pilot rewarded with ban for safely landing plane"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-safely-landing-plane-6255861.html
 
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RE: Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:36 am

Quoting ju068 (Reply 11):
Don't know how many of you can access this video, but here is the recording of the B727 landing in Tehran.
Quite impressive if you ask me. Congrats to the pilots for keeping the nose up for so long.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150371695513491

The way they landed that aircraft is simply amazing. They really kept control of the machine with the nose up until as late as possible to minimize the damage.

Congratulations to the pilots.

I want to fly with Iran Air!!

     
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RE: Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:23 am

Quoting MadameConcorde (Reply 26):
The way they landed that aircraft is simply amazing. They really kept control of the machine with the nose up until as late as possible to minimize the damage.

Congratulations to the pilots.

What do you think about the Iran Air Boeing 727 pilot's 2 month ban by the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization (CAO) - strange congratulations don't you think?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-safely-landing-plane-6255861.html
 
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RE: Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:57 am

Quoting qantas747flyer (Reply 27):
What do you think about the Iran Air Boeing 727 pilot's 2 month ban by the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization (CAO) - strange congratulations don't you think?

If that was meant to be punitive, it is incomprehensible why they would do that, but, as I said already Aviation authorities can always find fault with something you did.



Furthermore, this is Iran..
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RE: Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:21 am

Quoting qantas747flyer (Reply 27):

What do you think about the Iran Air Boeing 727 pilot's 2 month ban by the Iranian Civil Aviation Organization (CAO) - strange congratulations don't you think?

Unfair. I hope the Iran Air hero pilot can appeal of this decision. I am sure he will have much support in his own country. How he landed that plane is simply amazing. He should be praisded, not shunned.
Go figure...

    
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RE: Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Thu Nov 03, 2011 8:41 am

Lets start an online petition in his support.
 
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RE: Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:25 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 30):
Lets start an online petition in his support.

We must be careful here. The poor guy can be jailed if the authorities found that he has too many friends "from this side" of the world. In any case this punishment is totally ridiculous and a hard proof of how ignorant and useless can be some of the "authorities" in some countries.

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RE: Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:29 pm

It is senseless if he was really banned for something what wasn't his fault, instead of being congratulated. Maybe that's just the time they do the enquiry or for the person to recover from the possible stress... I do not know if this info is rightly presented. Everything about Iran in Western press has to be taken with lot of reserve.
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RE: Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:32 am

My comments above notwithstanding, it's nothing less than shameful what has happened to this captain.

The landing itself might not have been heroic, but If anything, his treatment since the incident pushes his status in that direction....


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RE: Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:43 am

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 31):
In any case this punishment is totally ridiculous and a hard proof of how ignorant and useless can be some of the "authorities" in some countries.

Especially the Civil Aviation Organization in Iran...

This is not the first time the Iranian CAO has failed miserably in it's task as bastion of air safety - check out some of the following posts to get a glimpse into their illogical workings:

Iran's C.A.O Responsible For Iran Air's EU Ban (by turbofan1960 Feb 25 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Iran C.A.O Chief To Go As Major Reorg Looms (by turbofan1960 Mar 1 2011 in Civil Aviation)

As an aside, is it not strange that no details have been released by the Iranian CAO regarding the fatal crash of the Iran Air Boeing 727, flight number 277 which crashed in North-Western Iran claiming the lives of 77 people in January this year?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_277#cite_note-FG351690-11

To quote from the Wikipedia article above:

"Iran ordered an inquiry into the crash. A day after the accident, searchers at the location had obtained both the flight's cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder. Iran's Transport Ministry stated that the investigation will comprise several working groups which will include specialists in various areas, including aircraft structure, engine parameter recordings and pilot operations. The investigation will be overseen by the Iran Civil Aviation Organization. The flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder were taken to Tehran for analysis".

Let's get this straight, 11 months ago both the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder were found and were taken to Tehran for analysis, and yet the Iranian CAO continues to remain silent on the the exact cause(s) of the crash? None of the "Several working groups" assigned by the CAO to investigate the crash appear to have made any findings after 11 months (and counting) - a disgraceful and shameful display of their incompetence: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...o-fatal-iran-air-727-crash-351648/

Even Russia, which is often criticized for its poor air safety standards, recently announced the findings of its Yak 42 crash investigation, just two months after the incident claimed the lives of 45 people on-board. Contrast this with the Iranian CAO's investigation progress (or lack thereof) and you begin to see world class incompetence. It's all very well for a national aviation regulator to hold a press conference and announce to the cameras that they are going to hold an investigation to determine the cause of the crash - however if they don't follow up on their promise, then as an aviation regulator they loose all credibility and have failed miserably in their responsibilities.

I find it truly amazing that the Iranian Transport Minister (Hamid Behbani) was fired over the January Iran Air 727 crash, and yet the Iranian CAO (which is ultimately responsible for air safety standards in Iran) somehow appears to remain free from scrutiny and continues to remain silent and look the other way whenever there is an air incident in Iran. Very sad.
 
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RE: Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:00 pm

In what seems to be a remarkable turnaround from the "cold shoulder" treatment of Iran Air's Boeing 727 pilot, Captain Hooshang Shahbazi who performed the emergency landing 3 weeks ago, has finally been thanked for his efforts and given a celebratory reception by the Iranian Minister of Transport, Ali Nikzad:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/208783.html

Captain Shahbazi had previously been quoted by media sources as saying that he had received no thanks or recognition for his actions following his successful emergency landing, and came across as feeling that the Iranian aviation authorities were ungrateful for his and the Iran Air crew's remarkable efforts:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...r/2011/10/29/gIQAffIbSM_story.html

Better late than never I suppose...
 
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RE: Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:34 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 2):
19 crew on a B722???? That seems a bit much, no?

Can anyone comment here? Were they deadheading crew around?
 
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RE: Iran Air 727 Landed Without Nose Gear

Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:43 pm

Quoting rdh3e (Reply 36):

Can anyone comment here? Were they deadheading crew around?

Even for Iran Air that seems a little on the high side, especially for a Boeing 727. My guess is that they were ferrying crew.