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Boeing 787 Worldtour

Thu Oct 20, 2011 11:47 pm

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ares-for-world-tour-of-787-363689/


Boeing is to start a worldtour of its newest airplane, which has a long tradition at Boeing.


Hopefully they are more succesful than some years ago with the B764-worldtour, which did not result in any new customer.

But, i am confident. The list of customers is already impressive and will be even bigger after that tour.


I guess, Frankfurt will be on the agenda with potential customers Luftansa and Condor.  
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:14 am

Quoting 328JET (Thread starter):
But, i am confident. The list of customers is already impressive and will be even bigger after that tour.

If they can't deliver any aircraft that meet spec until 2015 or later, I don't expect much good will from this tour. Just a lot of defensive answers to skeptical questions.
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:48 am

Is that the "We're so sorry!" tour?

We realize that you won't be seeing an aircraft like this for many months, so we thought we would bring one over to show you what you are missing.

We apologize for the continuing inconvenience.
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:55 am

It's one thing for a customer (actual or potential) to read pages of specifications and performance charts and look at hundreds of pictures. It's another to actually sit in the plane and experience it in flight.

Even if the primary purpose is "damage control" to keep current customers from canceling, that's hardly a bad thing.
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:16 am

Luckily, the Boeing 787 already made its South American debut, specifically for LAN, the first airline in Latin America to operate the Dreamliner. The Boeing 787 landed at both Lima, Peru, and La Paz, Bolivia. Hopefully, the Boeing 787 will be at FIDAE 2012!

The B-787-8 at La Paz Aeropuerto Internacional El Alto:

(Photo by LAN Airlines)

787: LANding in La Paz and Lima, Making its South American Debut
 
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:31 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 4):
The Boeing 787 landed at both Lima, Peru, and La Paz, Bolivia

also for the purpose of flight test to land at high-altitude airports  
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:37 am

Quoting flythere (Reply 5):
also for the purpose of flight test to land at high-altitude airports

Yep, flying into El Alto is quite an experience in itself; especially since the airport is located at over 13,000ft. above sea level. The B-767s are not certified to operate into LPB, AA utilizes the B-752s into LPB daily and LAN utilizes the A-319s into LPB twice daily.
 
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:51 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
It's one thing for a customer (actual or potential) to read pages of specifications and performance charts and look at hundreds of pictures. It's another to actually sit in the plane and experience it in flight.

Definitely    Last year the 787 was in CDG and flew to AMS with several AF and KL directors on board. After that, KL CEO Hartman wanted the thing even more badly...

I hope though that Boeing will visit AMS another time, and won't think "oh, we've been there already so we can skip that". They arrived in the night, moved the plane immediately to a place where you could only see the tail, and left in the dark as well   Thanks guys!
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:56 am

We're expecting the 787 down here in Australia mid-November -- same tour or will they be separate?
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:19 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 8):
We're expecting the 787 down here in Australia mid-November -- same tour or will they be separate?

Which decade is that then?   
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:27 am

I wonder if they're going to do any crazy flights on this tour such as the PER-NOU fully on one engine which the 77W did. But it's going to be awesome to finally see this plane although it was supposed to have delivered the first -9 to NZ by now!
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:16 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 3):
Even if the primary purpose is "damage control" to keep current customers from canceling, that's hardly a bad thing.

What are you talking about? A and B always send their new aircraft on world tours. This isn't damage control, it's just normal promotional activities. In a few months I'm sure we'll be seeing a documentary on the Discovery Channel touting the latest and greatest airplane. The 380 has a documentary about it's construction and flight, I remember AA's 777 was featured in a documentary on the fancy new 777.

So enough with the snarky one-liners, let's celebrate the787's arrival. It looks like we'll all enjoy traveling on it.
 
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:38 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 11):
What are you talking about?

  

I'm well aware that Boeing sends their new models on such tours. The 767-400ER, the 777-300ER and the 777-200LR all made such tours.

I'm just responding to those who have claimed Boeing is using this tour to try and keep customers from jumping (to the A350).
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:28 pm

Quoting 328JET (Thread starter):
Hopefully they are more succesful than some years ago with the B764-worldtour, which did not result in any new customer.

Let's use the 77W world tour as a more hopeful example.

I think the 2020s will really be the decade of the 787-9, just like the 1990s were the decade of the 767-300ER. The present 800 orders are just an appetizer. I would not be surprised to see the program as a whole exceed 2000 orders.
 
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:09 pm

I'm sort of reminded of the scene in Miss Congeniality (forgive me) where the Statue of Liberty backdrop is exploding in flames, but William Shatner's character proudly proclaims "She's Miss United States!" as if no one notices what's going on around him. Pretty funny...

Anyhow, I think this is pretty normal practice for Boeing, but it just feels anti-climatic or contrived due to the horrid execution of this program. Just my 2 cents.

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Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:30 am

Can't wait to see it in SYD wearing JQ / Red Q... oops I mean QF colors 

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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:39 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 14):
Anyhow, I think this is pretty normal practice for Boeing, but it just feels anti-climatic or contrived due to the horrid execution of this program.

While a world tour is a standard Boeing promotional move, I agree with PlanesNTrains that in this case it appears both anti-climatic and contrived. IMHO they would have got better results by leaving it until there are B787s in services in some numbers in various parts of the world.

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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:43 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 15):
Can't wait to see it in SYD wearing JQ / Red Q... oops I mean QF colors

And what a sight that would be. The liveries are likely better anyway  
 
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:52 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 8):
We're expecting the 787 down here in Australia mid-November -- same tour or will they be separate?

She is due in AKL for 2 days from 12th November 2011 direct from Seattle according to this article, I guess she would hop across the ditch after that.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/5817557/Dreamliner-Visit
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:11 am

Earlier in the year Boeing said they would make 20 787 deliveries in 2011...where do we stand now after the 1st delivery? Are any more deliveries scheduled for 2011? Could we possibly have only one delivery for the year?
 
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:15 am

Quoting woodsboy (Reply 19):
Could we possibly have only one delivery for the year?

No, considering the 2nd 787 has also been delivered.
 
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:48 am

Quoting polot (Reply 20):
No, considering the 2nd 787 has also been delivered.

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Or should that be    considering how this program has taken hit after hit.
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:28 am

Quoting gemuser (Reply 16):
While a world tour is a standard Boeing promotional move, I agree with PlanesNTrains that in this case it appears both anti-climatic and contrived. IMHO they would have got better results by leaving it until there are B787s in services in some numbers in various parts of the world.

Sending a 787 out after your customers already have them in service would be truly anti-climatic and contrived.  

The 767-400ER and 777-200LR World Tours were both designed to drum up orders for the types, since both were languishing in the order book. The 777-300ER has about 50 orders under her belt when N5016R started her World Tour in late 2003 (if you call TPE and SYD a "World Tour").

The 787 clearly doesn't need to drum up orders at this time, but it could do with keeping what it has secured, so it makes sense to me to send it out and show customers just what they bought and hope they're impressed enough to keep waiting for their own frames to be delivered.
 
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:10 am

Which line number will this be, and how close will it be to target specs with regard to weight, MTOW, thrust, fuel consumption, and so on?
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:37 am

Quoting bellancacf (Reply 23):
Which line number will this be, and how close will it be to target specs with regard to weight, MTOW, thrust, fuel consumption, and so on?

It's Line Number 003. Originally planned for NH, but now owned by Boeing. If you believe Aspire Aviation, it's between 6,000 and 7,500 kilograms over the original design weight. I expect it will have Package A Trent 1000 engines, so it will be missing SFC by a couple to a few percent. And MTOW will be in the neighborhood of 200,000 kilograms.
 
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:49 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 22):
The 767-400ER and 777-200LR World Tours were both designed to drum up orders for the types, since both were languishing in the order book. The 777-300ER has about 50 orders under her belt when N5016R started her World Tour in late 2003 (if you call TPE and SYD a "World Tour").

So what do we learn from this? The 767-400ER didn't sell at all and 777-200LR hasn't sold well. Even thought the 777W is now an unqualified sales sucess as I remember it was a bit of a slow burner (prepared to be corrected on this). Did the A380 world tour get many orders? I don't think that these type of tour tours really generate many sales.
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:54 am

It's the difference between taking the product to potential customers or having them come to you. It won't guarantee sales but it can't hurt.

It's a goodwill gesture...and a smart PR move.
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:58 am

Quoting BoeingVista (Reply 25):
I don't think that these type of tour tours really generate many sales.

Probably not, but they do generate PR and buzz and that can help generate sales down the road.

Boeing started the world tour for the 777-200LR with 2 orders from PIA. They secured a 6-frame order from AC after the plane visited Montreal and to date the total is 55, so there has been a 25-fold increase in orders since the tour. The 777-300ER has sold roughly ten-fold since it's world tour. I'm not sure when the A380 went on her world tour (2006?), but orders for the plane have roughly doubled since her debut.
 
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RE: Boeing 787 Worldtour

Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:07 pm

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 26):
It's the difference between taking the product to potential customers or having them come to you. It won't guarantee sales but it can't hurt.

Take every chance to meet with customers is a basic rule that has not lost any luster.
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