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UA 763 Service To Lagos Is Ending?

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:05 pm

According to Wikipedia, United's flights 990-991 -- the 763ER with tag-on service from ACC to LOS -- will end on Monday December 19th. That's the same day Continental begins their 772 service from IAH to LOS (flights CO142 and CO143).

Does anyone know it the Washington-Dulles - Lagos service will be returning?
 
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RE: UA 763 Service To Lagos Is Ending?

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:09 pm

Probably not as long as there is the nonstop flight from IAH to LOS.
 
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RE: UA 763 Service To Lagos Is Ending?

Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:18 pm

Quoting frat (Reply 1):
Probably not as long as there is the nonstop flight from IAH to LOS.

A bit of a trek for those living in the northeast of the US.

From IAH to LOS it's 11hr 35mn . From LOS to IAH it's 13hr 5 mn.

Connecting from BOS, EWR, or IAD -- that's two days of travel.  sorry 

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Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:22 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 2):

A bit of a trek for those living in the northeast of the US.

From IAH to LOS it's 11hr 35mn . From LOS to IAH it's 13hr 5 mn.

Connecting from BOS, EWR, or IAD -- that two days of travel.

Yup. If you have to fly Star, seems like it would be better to go through FRA on LH if you're from the NE.
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:09 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 2):
A bit of a trek for those living in the northeast of the US.

That's not the market UACO is after.
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:10 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 2):
A bit of a trek for those living in the northeast of the US.

Most of the premium traffic is probably coming from IAH first, then MSY anyway...
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:33 pm

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 3):
Yup. If you have to fly Star, seems like it would be better to go through FRA on LH if you're from the NE.

They aren't going for Northeast traffic, they are going for the Houston-Nigeria oil traffic gold mine, as well as west of the Mississippi traffic going for the same reason: Dallas (Exxon), San Francisco (Chevron), Calgary, Los Angeles, etc...

ACC traffic (particularly business) comes from Washington and New York.
 
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RE: UA 763 Service To Lagos Is Ending?

Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:43 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 5):
Most of the premium traffic is probably coming from IAH first, then MSY anyway...

Since this primarily involves only one oil exploration firm, it's putting all their eggs in one basket.

On the other hand, I guess it also opens the possibility of future IAH-LAD and IAH-SSG service as new equipment arrives
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 9:57 pm

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 6):
as well as west of the Mississippi traffic going for the same reason: Dallas (Exxon), San Francisco (Chevron), Calgary, Los Angeles

I'm somewhat familiar with the Calgary traffic.

CO is flying 738s YYC-IAH while UA is flying CR7s YYC-ORD and YYC-SFO.

Quite a difference in seats filled.
 
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 10:46 pm

Where's the 763 going ?
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Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:09 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
Since this primarily involves only one oil exploration firm, it's putting all their eggs in one basket.

Quite the contrary, there are a lot of eggs in the basket. There are many oilfield services, drilling and subcontracting companies big and small with activities in Africa based in Houston, such as Noble, Weatherford, Halliburton, Xenergi, etc...

Quoting elmothehobo (Reply 6):
Dallas (Exxon)

Dallas is home to Exxon's corporate offices, but "operational" headquarters are in Houston, if I am not mistaken. DAL is also home to Exxon's Gulfstream fleet, anyway...
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:20 am

Will be interesting to watch the new Lagos flight, and also see how DL does as a result on its ATL-LOS service which receives a great deal of feed from Texas, and matter of fact had its flight number listed as a IAH-ATL-LOS flight.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 9):
Where's the 763 going ?

No where. IAD-ACC still operates.
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:50 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 11):
No where. IAD-ACC still operates.

Gotcha, forgot it was a tag.
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:50 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 10):
Dallas is home to Exxon's corporate offices, but "operational" headquarters are in Houston,

There are many oilfield services, drilling and subcontracting companies big and small with activities in Africa based in Houston, such as Noble, Weatherford, Halliburton, Xenergi, etc...
*Weatherford* ???

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Sat Oct 22, 2011 12:58 am

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 3):
If you have to fly Star, seems like it would be better to go through FRA on LH if you're from the NE.


Would it save time connect through Accra to Lagos instead of going through Europe? You can still fly UA from IAD to ACC and connect onward to LOS. I think there are about 5 or so flights per day in total with Aero Contractors, Air Nigeria and Arik Air.
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:41 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 8):
I'm somewhat familiar with the Calgary traffic.

CO is flying 738s YYC-IAH

That is not all oil traffic....alot of the "western" canadian traffic thru IAH is heading to RTB, SJO, LIR, BZE. About 20 seats a day on CO's BZE-IAH are heading to YYC
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:47 am

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 3):
If you have to fly Star, seems like it would be better to go through FRA on LH if you're from the NE.

Depending on connection timings, going through IAH can still make more sense even from major East Coast cities.
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:50 am

Those oil routes are usually packed in the premium sections. Does anyone know if the IAH-LOS will have a PMUA bird with the F cabin. This could be a route that could sustain F.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:21 am

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 17):
Does anyone know if the IAH-LOS will have a PMUA bird with the F cabin. This could be a route that could sustain F.

I went over to www.continental.com -- tried seat maps for a couple dates in December -- pulled up 772ERs with International Business in the front and Economy in the back -- no First.

But both cabins appear to have 'sold' seats.

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Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:38 am

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 17):
Those oil routes are usually packed in the premium sections. Does anyone know if the IAH-LOS will have a PMUA bird with the F cabin. This could be a route that could sustain F.

It's a Continental route for now, with CO crews and a PMCO aircraft. When or if this will change is anyone's guess.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 8:21 am

Quoting louA340 (Reply 14):

Would it save time connect through Accra to Lagos instead of going through Europe? You can still fly UA from IAD to ACC and connect onward to LOS. I think there are about 5 or so flights per day in total with Aero Contractors, Air Nigeria and Arik Air

Does Star ally with any of those, or would one have to interline? Even then, yeah it may still be better than going through Europe, but there may still be issues with tight connection timings. OTOH, it may also be a good time/opportunity for Arik to look at joining Star anyway...

Quoting avek00 (Reply 16):

Depending on connection timings, going through IAH can still make more sense even from major East Coast cities.

It may very well, especially if you are originating from anywhere south of about Charlotte. But, OTOH, there are also WX issues, that while not super frequent, are more likely to be problematic going between the NE & IAH, than through Europe or another NE city. I guess it would have to depend on how much time is built into those connections.
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RE: UA 763 Service To Lagos Is Ending?

Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:40 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 18):
But both cabins appear to have 'sold' seats.

2months out on a route to LOS....you should see many seats sold....LOS is often sold out months in advance on LH and KL
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:20 pm

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 20):
Does Star ally with any of those, or would one have to interline? Even then, yeah it may still be better than going through Europe, but there may still be issues with tight connection timings. OTOH, it may also be a good time/opportunity for Arik to look at joining Star anyway...

Continental.com offers two single-ticket alternatives for sale on their web site:

--CO46 to LH564 with connect at FRA for little more cost than the nonstop -- second day arrival

--CO34 to BA75 with connect at LHR -- costly, but next day arrival

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Sat Oct 22, 2011 2:46 pm

I love that once the merger is complete, most of United's "interesting" global routes are going to be spread out among the hubs:
Washington-Accra, Kuwait/Bahrain, and Dubai
Houston-Lagos, Auckland
Newark-Tel Aviv, Delhi, Mumbai, etc
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 3:11 pm

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 23):

Don't forget SFO! One of the best Asian gateway hubs out there!
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:02 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 24):

Don't forget SFO! One of the best Asian gateway hubs out there!

Absolutely, SFO is a huge asset to UA. Getting back to Washingtonian's point though, SFO probably has the least "interesting" or rather "unique" destinations of UA's hubs. The only International destinations served from SFO and not any other UA hub are KIX and ICN, however that's rumored to change for the latter.

EWR and IAH probably have the most unique international destinations of the UA hubs, not including GUM, followed by IAD. I don't ORD has any exclusive international routes for UA.
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:58 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 25):
I don't ORD has any exclusive international routes for UA.

Considering AA has pulled back Euro ops at ORD so much, pretty much anything is unique at this point for UA that AA doesn't fly to.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 25):

EWR and IAH probably have the most unique international destinations of the UA hubs, not including GUM, followed by IAD. I don't ORD has any exclusive international routes for UA.

There is some unrealized potential for several of the UA hubs, particularly IAD and IAH.
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:25 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 25):
EWR and IAH probably have the most unique international destinations of the UA hubs, not including GUM, followed by IAD. I don't ORD has any exclusive international routes for UA.

IAH? Lagos and Auckland soon, but what else? I guess I don't consider 737s to random south-of-the-border cities to be exotic international flights.

Can't you ever give PMUA credit?! Dulles has quite a few unique destinations--Accra, Kuwait/Bahrain, Dubai, Moscow. None of which was served by PMCO from EWR or IAH.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 6:44 pm

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 27):
Can't you ever give PMUA credit?! Dulles has quite a few unique destinations--Accra, Kuwait/Bahrain, Dubai, Moscow. None of which was served by PMCO from EWR or IAH.

Hard to say whether this is city pride or the passive-aggressive path we always wind up going down with CO-UA threads.

We are one company, yes? With hubs as company assets, yes?

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Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:00 pm

Any CO versus UA bitterness still on these boards needs to stop; I'd old, boring and pointless.

There isn't enough traffic (I think) to justify two UA routes to LOS. Energy hub to energy hub makes more sense (especially given the oil folks love to fly premium).

It's possible that IAD may again see service to LOS when the 787's come online.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 7:15 pm

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 29):
There isn't enough traffic (I think) to justify two UA routes to LOS. Energy hub to energy hub makes more sense (especially given the oil folks love to fly premium).

More than that -- if one company has the ability to fly a nonstop and a one-stop to the same destination -- and *both* have premium cabins -- then the nonstop's survival should trump the one-stop's survival (in my opinion) given that the one-stop continues to fly and generate income.
 
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RE: UA 763 Service To Lagos Is Ending?

Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:30 pm

With the ACC-LOS tag ending, is there any liklihood of UA looking at a new tag? Say Abuja (Nigeria's capital) or Abidjan (Ivory Coast's capital)?
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:49 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 31):
With the ACC-LOS tag ending, is there any liklihood of UA looking at a new tag? Say Abuja (Nigeria's capital) or Abidjan (Ivory Coast's capital)?

Who knows. PMUA management seemed to love tags; PMCO not (and they are running things for the most part now).
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 10:51 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 31):
With the ACC-LOS tag ending, is there any likelihood of UA looking at a new tag? Say Abuja (Nigeria's capital) or Abidjan (Ivory Coast's capital)?

Either are possibilities.

Years ago when GH flew out of BWI, first stop was BJL and ACC was the tag-on.

As far as I know, all traffic from the Washington DC area to Cote d'Ivorie moves by AF
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:26 pm

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 20):
OTOH, it may also be a good time/opportunity for Arik to look at joining Star anyway...

Arik attempting to join *A would make AI's attempt look well executed.

If Asky ends up joining Star along with ET, LFW might be an interesting (and very short) tag.
 
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Sat Oct 22, 2011 11:34 pm

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Arik attempting to join *A would make AI's attempt look well executed.

Maybe. But honestly I was surprised by the whole AI messup. Star will take anyone. Seriously. I think I saw a '77 Pinto the other day that was now a proud member of the Star alliance...  
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:05 am

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 27):
IAH? Lagos and Auckland soon, but what else? I guess I don't consider 737s to random south-of-the-border cities to be exotic international flights.

CO has some routes that others have tried and failed at.....MID is a good example.....and are very strong on some others....like RTB..that others strugge to maintain 1Xweekly on.
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:11 am

If the CO/UA service to LOS didn't exist, would there be decent connections through the Houston Express or would travelers have to connect through Europe to get to Nigeria and beyond?
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:28 am

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 37):
If the CO/UA service to LOS didn't exist, would there be decent connections through the Houston Express or would travelers have to connect through Europe to get to Nigeria and beyond?

The Houston Express goes to Equatorial Guinea and Angola not Nigeria. It is not a factor at all in the IAH-Nigeria market. Most IAH-Nigeria traffic currently transits Europe (AMS is the most common transfer point) or goes via ATL on DL.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:10 am

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 38):
The Houston Express goes to Equatorial Guinea and Angola not Nigeria.

I know that. I realize I didn't make my question clear enough. I wanted to know whether there are decent connections to Nigeria (and others) with the Houston Express. I think you answered that question indirectly.
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:38 am

Another thing of note is that IAH-LOS also has HUGE VFR traffic in addition to the oil traffic. I just came from one of my Nigerian buddies weddings with the reception at the Hobby Center here in Houston. About 50 people flew in from Lagos last night via various means. Houston has a huge Nigerian population.
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:17 pm

Quoting washingtonian (Reply 27):
Can't you ever give PMUA credit?! Dulles has quite a few unique destinations--Accra, Kuwait/Bahrain, Dubai, Moscow. None of which was served by PMCO from EWR or IAH.

You misinterpreted what I was trying to say, I was pointing out that EWR, IAH AND IAD have more "unique" international routes than SFO and ORD. What I mean by "unique" is a international destination served exclusively from that hub. SFO probably has the most potential going forward for new "unique" international routes with 787s and A350s. The problem has been that for SFO the 744 and 777 do not lead themselves for "unique" destinations as much as the ERJ, 738, 757 and 763. The 787 again changes that equation.

With regards to ORD I can't think of a single International route that is served exclusively by that hub, even DEN has Saskatoon. LAX has Melbourne.
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:43 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 41):
With regards to ORD I can't think of a single International route that is served exclusively by that hub, even DEN has Saskatoon.

I think YXU is the only international destination served exclusivity from ORD.
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:40 pm

Quoting blueflyer (Reply 37):
If the CO/UA service to LOS didn't exist, would there be decent connections through the Houston Express or would travelers have to connect through Europe to get to Nigeria and beyond?

According to Wikipedia, the two 744s the Houston Express experiment uses were provided by Sonangol National Petroleum of Angola and their subsidiary SonAir Airlines with operating crews provided by 5Y. Not sure they are free to fly to other destinations like Lagos and Malabo .
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And I am impressed that both airframes are configured to carry only 189 passengers.

I also find this statement on the SonAir web site interesting :

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Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:34 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 41):
You misinterpreted what I was trying to say, I was pointing out that EWR, IAH AND IAD have more "unique" international routes than SFO and ORD. What I mean by "unique" is a international destination served exclusively from that hub. SFO probably has the most potential going forward for new "unique" international routes with 787s and A350s. The problem has been that for SFO the 744 and 777 do not lead themselves for "unique" destinations as much as the ERJ, 738, 757 and 763. The 787 again changes that equation.

Fair enough. When I said unique international destinations, I meant routes from hubs that you might be surprised by. Obviously SFO is going to have a large Asian operation, and EWR and IAD will have a large presence to Europe. But routes like EWR-all those secondary European destinations, IAH-Lagos and Auckland, IAD-Dubai, Accra, Kuwait/Bahrain, etc are what I consider "unique". It's amazing that United is able to operate traditional hubs in so many important American markets and operate such unique international routes from a wide variety of hubs.
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:50 am

If anyone is interested..here is a video of this flight taking off from ACC to LOS a few weeks ago.
It does show how quick a 763 can take off on a short fight with a light load.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KypbK0FfPg
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:45 am

I've never seen more than 50 people booked to LOS from ACC.
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