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Carpatair (Romania) Closing TSR-CLJ Route - Funny

Sat Oct 22, 2011 4:07 am

This is funny, Carpatair is closing its TSR-CLJ route and presence at CLJ over a dispute with airport personel over de-icing an aircraft before departure. The problems started when CLJ ground personel wanted to de-ice an early morning departure flight and the captain refused. Hours after the dispute, Carpatair cancelled all flights to the airport and announced that it had decided to close the station.

http://tvr.ro/articol.php?id=112744&c=719 - sorry only in Romanian.

I find it interesting that the airport personel acctually argued with the captain over de-icing needs. The captain has the final say, so if he did not want it why force the issue? Secondly, it is interesting that the company would close a station over a small dispute like this.
 
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RE: Carpatair (Romania) Closing TSR-CLJ Route - Funny

Sat Oct 22, 2011 9:58 pm

I don't speak Romanian, but I do speak Spanish and French so through the similarities in those languages I understand about 70% of the article. It does seem to only mention this one incident, but I would be very surprised if that was all there was to the story. It does indeed seem strange to pull out of a station over a small disagreement. Perhaps there is a history between Carpatair and CLJ that we are not aware of, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back?
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RE: Carpatair (Romania) Closing TSR-CLJ Route - Funny

Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:46 pm

Quoting flyingalex (Reply 1):
I don't speak Romanian, but I do speak Spanish and French so through the similarities in those languages I understand about 70% of the article. It does seem to only mention this one incident, but I would be very surprised if that was all there was to the story. It does indeed seem strange to pull out of a station over a small disagreement. Perhaps there is a history between Carpatair and CLJ that we are not aware of, and this was the straw that broke the camel's back?

Yes, supposedly this was the only incident and Carpatair decided to pull out, there was no ongoing duspute to speak of. The only problem Carpatair was having at CLJ was competition from Tarom, although not on CLJ-TSR route, but other cities Carpatair serves with 1 stop at TSR,while RO non-stop from CLJ.
 
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RE: Carpatair (Romania) Closing TSR-CLJ Route - Funny

Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:27 pm

Ah... you can expect anything in our lovely region!

Do you know which aircraft it was? Saab?

Maybe the whole base wasn't making money so they just used it as an excuse?
 
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RE: Carpatair (Romania) Closing TSR-CLJ Route - Funny

Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:00 pm

Quoting ju068 (Reply 3):
Ah... you can expect anything in our lovely region!

Do you know which aircraft it was? Saab?

Maybe the whole base wasn't making money so they just used it as an excuse?

I believe it was the Saab 340b. Don't know if they were profitable or not.
 
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RE: Carpatair (Romania) Closing TSR-CLJ Route - Funny

Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:18 pm

Haha! Thanks for a good laugh.

Its a shame that such a small dispute can close a whole base!

Thanks for the share!
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RE: Carpatair (Romania) Closing TSR-CLJ Route - Funny

Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:18 pm

Quoting fpetrutiu (Thread starter):
The captain has the final say, so if he did not want it why force the issue?

Perhaps someone wanted to make some extra money?

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RE: Carpatair (Romania) Closing TSR-CLJ Route - Funny

Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:51 pm

Quoting pspfan (Reply 6):
Perhaps someone wanted to make some extra money?

Perhaps, but killing the station over something like that?
 
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RE: Carpatair (Romania) Closing TSR-CLJ Route - Funny

Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:10 pm

What I find strange is that is ever there is an arguement for icing, it is the flight crew who want it and ground crew who do not want it, because they do not want the extra trouble. Flight crew normally err on the safe side and they get an opinion that deicing is required, the invariably follow that advice and get the aircraft deiced. If there is doubt, there is no doubt - do the deice.

I would certainly hope that in any case the ground staff thought it was required, that they would push the captain hard to get it done. Certainly the captain has the final say but the ground engineer would not be doing their job if they let an aircraft depart without deicing when they thought it was necessary only to see the aircraft crash in a fireball at the end of the runway because it stalled upon liftoff. I think the courts would not look down favourably upon the engineer in that case. I find it biazzare that the Captain and airline would be arguing against de-icing.
 
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RE: Carpatair (Romania) Closing TSR-CLJ Route - Funny

Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:15 pm

for a minute I thought it was CarpetAir...nevermind.    yeah, its pretty ridiculous that this would happen....
 
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RE: Carpatair (Romania) Closing TSR-CLJ Route - Funny

Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:14 pm

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 8):
I would certainly hope that in any case the ground staff thought it was required, that they would push the captain hard to get it done. Certainly the captain has the final say but the ground engineer would not be doing their job if they let an aircraft depart without deicing when they thought it was necessary only to see the aircraft crash in a fireball at the end of the runway because it stalled upon liftoff. I think the courts would not look down favourably upon the engineer in that case. I find it biazzare that the Captain and airline would be arguing against de-icing.

Well said, but closing the base over this argument??? I think that is even more bizarre.
 
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RE: Carpatair (Romania) Closing TSR-CLJ Route - Funny

Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:25 pm

Quoting CX Flyboy (Reply 8):
Flight crew normally err on the safe side and they get an opinion that deicing is required, the invariably follow that advice and get the aircraft deiced.

Makes you wonder, doesn't it? Perhaps there was clearly no need, and as pspfan suspected, the ground service company was acting like a skeezy mechanic and trying to run up the bill with unnecessary services.

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 10):
but closing the base over this argument?

I'm with the others who suspect that this wasn't an isolated incident, it was just the only one mentioned in the news piece. If the yields were marginal to begin with, and then you add in repeated delays and costs from unnecessary deicing, then it's quite easy to imagine a scenario where it's just not worth it anymore.