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Largest Airplane Emergency Landing HYD (EK A380)

Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:19 am

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/c...Hyderabad/articleshow/10461074.cms

(Sorry if it has been posted earlier - I searched but could not find it. Mods, pls delete if already posted.)

HYDERABAD: The world's largest airplane Airbus A380 made an emergency landing at Rajiv Gandhi International Airport near here Sunday, an airport official said.

The Emirates flight, with 481 passengers on board, was on its way from Bangkok to Dubai.

"The aircraft landed with 481 passengers safely at 3.40 a.m.," an airport spokesman said.

The pilot cited a technical snag in the aircraft as the reason for making the emergency landing at the airport in Shamshabad, around 20 km from Hyderabad.

The aircraft first approached the Chennai airport but did not get clearance for landing as the runway was busy. The pilot then contacted Air Traffic Control at Shamshabad and got the clearance to land.

The Emirates was making arrangements to accommodate the passengers on its Hyderabad-Dubai flights.

This is the second time that A380 has landed at Hyderabad.

During the civil aviation exhibition in October 2008, the aircraft had landed at Begumpet Airport, the old airport in the city. The aircraft, with a seating capacity of 525, came from the company's headquarters in Toulouse, France.

It then landed at the Rajiv Gandhi International Airport, marking the first landing of the super-jumbo at India's first Code F compliant airport - equipped to receive larger aircraft.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:54 am

Any idea what was the issue? It's been 7hrs already, has it left HYD since?
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RE: Largest Airplane Emergency Landing HYD (EK A380)

Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:22 am

Finally EK has been granted the rights to land an A380 in India! 

Anyway, does anyone know what the issue was? And are there any other times the A380 has had to make an emergency landing, apart from QF's VH-OQA at SIN?

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RE: Largest Airplane Emergency Landing HYD (EK A380)

Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:33 am

IIRC a DXB-SYD (or SYD-DXB) EK A380 also made an emergency landing, also in HYD. But I may be wrong.

No further info about the cause.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:36 am

Quoting freqflyer (Reply 3):
No further info about the cause.

The now deleted thread said it was a hydraulic problem
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:45 am

Chennai too busy for an emergency?
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:47 am

Quoting freqflyer (Thread starter):
The aircraft first approached the Chennai airport but did not get clearance for landing as the runway was busy. The pilot then contacted Air Traffic Control at Shamshabad and got the clearance to land.


If a plane declares an emergency, doesn't ATC give her priority landing ?
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:49 am

Quoting SOBHI51 (Reply 6):
If a plane declares an emergency, doesn't ATC give her priority landing ?

If one declared emergency, then you can basically do what you want. You don't request anything from ATC, you just inform what you do. Sure ATC will assist you and offer help as much as they can.
but of course if there was a runway closure or some other problem which makes it impossible to land there, you have to use another option.

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RE: Largest Airplane Emergency Landing HYD (EK A380)

Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:50 am

Quoting Bestwestern (Reply 5):
Chennai too busy for an emergency?

Not giving an emergency first priority to land is a concern if you ask me... Reminds me of the Avianca flight which declared an emergency and ended up crashing...

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Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:59 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 8):

Not giving an emergency first priority to land is a concern if you ask me...

Don't get you kickers in a knot. Don't forget you are relying on a newspaper for your facts.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:11 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 8):
Not giving an emergency first priority to land is a concern if you ask me... Reminds me of the Avianca flight which declared an emergency and ended up crashing...

Precisely, the problem, among others, in that case was that although the Captain (for a variety of reasons better discussed in another thread) asked his FO to declare an emergency. The FO never did. But the Captain assumed that as he had given his FO the order, it had been carried out. Since it wasn´t, the plane, was vectored around as any other flight that night with a missed approach. Up to 20 miles from the outer marker. They never uttered the magic words: "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday, fuel emergency"

Thus, how they ended up.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:38 am

Quoting EK413 (Reply 8):
Reminds me of the Avianca flight which declared an emergency and ended up crashing...

If your talking about flight 52, they never actually said Mayday or fully let ATC know their fuel state, hence ATC routed them the way they did.
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:46 pm

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 9):
Don't get you kickers in a knot. Don't forget you are relying on a newspaper for your facts.

Take a chill pill... There good for you...
If the newspaper is right or wrong it was an emergency and should've been given clearance...
Now if the report is false then have a go at the idiot which made the false statement...

Quoting AR385 (Reply 10):
Precisely, the problem, among others, in that case was that although the Captain (for a variety of reasons better discussed in another thread) asked his FO to declare an emergency. The FO never did. But the Captain assumed that as he had given his FO the order, it had been carried out. Since it wasn´t, the plane, was vectored around as any other flight that night with a missed approach. Up to 20 miles from the outer marker. They never uttered the magic words: "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday, fuel emergency"

Thus, how they ended up.
Quoting lhr380 (Reply 11):
If your talking about flight 52, they never actually said Mayday or fully let ATC know their fuel state, hence ATC routed them the way they did.

Is there a echo in here...?
I remember the crash and the investigation... Blame was the Captain not saying the words 'Mayday' I do recall that clearly...

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Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:48 pm

http://gulfnews.com/business/aviatio...ding-at-hyderabad-airport-1.915305

Another article with a bit more information. Interesting that this article says there were 410 pax on board.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:06 pm

it is not the world largest airplane  
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:12 pm

Is it just me or there are quite a few "snags" with the A380. A CRJ, a building, an engine blowing up, and now another "snag" that forces an emergency landing...
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:16 pm

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 15):
Is it just me or there are quite a few "snags" with the A380. A CRJ, a building, an engine blowing up, and now another "snag" that forces an emergency landing...

It's just you seeing what you want to see.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:19 pm

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 15):

Is it just me or there are quite a few "snags" with the A380. A CRJ, a building, an engine blowing up, and now another "snag" that forces an emergency landing...

Not really, all planes go through these kind of incidents. Since the A380 is still relatively new and it has a high press interest due to the investment and image minor and somewhat routine incidents get more press attention.

Add to that - now is the internet age. A decade or so ago most of the world would not have known about these kinds of incidents at all. Just local news (if they made the news at all).

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RE: Largest Airplane Emergency Landing HYD (EK A380)

Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:22 pm

Quoting wolbo (Reply 16):
It's just you seeing what you want to see.

   And added to that is the level of attention the A380 still gets. What goes unnoticed with other planes is blown way-out-of-proportion when the A380 is involved.

Just look at the small incident ANA had with their B787. Sure, there was some media-buzzing over it. But not nearly as big as any minor incident on the A380, including the first incident when the SQ plane was pushed three meters to far which made for 1 axle to be in the grass as opposed to still on the tarmac.  
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:23 pm

Quoting 2175301 (Reply 17):
dd to that - now is the Internet age. A decade or so ago most of the world would not have known about these kinds of incidents at all

That is a very good point as well which I forgot to mention in my reply.  .
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:44 pm

Quoting fpetrutiu (Reply 15):
a few "snags" with the A380. A CRJ, a building,

Both examples were due to human error. There was nothing wrong with the A380 in either case.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:44 pm

According to Aviation Herald, it was an Hydraulic problems.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:30 pm

Quoting freqflyer (Thread starter):
This is the second time that A380 has landed at Hyderabad.
Quoting freqflyer (Reply 3):
IIRC a DXB-SYD (or SYD-DXB) EK A380 also made an emergency landing, also in HYD. But I may be wrong.

No further info about the cause.

Its the 3rd time an A380 landed in HYD. The last one (due to a medical emergency) was on Thursday, 16JUN11.

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Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:41 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 11):

As I recall, the captain or FO asked for "priority" landing, and in Spanish (I do not speak any Spanish, so I would not personally know), the connotation on that word meant "emergency", however, the ATC did not take it as such, because they spoke English.
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:47 pm

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 23):
As I recall, the captain or FO asked for "priority" landing, and in Spanish (I do not speak any Spanish, so I would not personally know), the connotation on that word meant "emergency", however, the ATC did not take it as such, because they spoke English.

The Captain ordered him to declare "emergency" The first officer, who spoke much better English asked for "priority", as he fell intimidated by the NYC controllers. Of course there are other factors, as tunnel vision making the crew ignore the pleas from the FE that they were running out of fuel, like, really running out of fuel. Crew fatigue played a role too, as apparently the flight was handflown all the way from Colombia due to a malfunctioning autopilot (Boston), the diverting airport being in worst meteorological conditions than JFK, etc. and of course, the Go-Around.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:17 pm

Quoting EK413 (Reply 12):
Take a chill pill... There good for you...
If the newspaper is right or wrong it was an emergency and should've been given clearance...
Now if the report is false then have a go at the idiot which made the false statement...

Oh come on. Do you really believe that any air traffic controller in the world when hearing the words "Mayday Mayday Mayday" would not respond appropriately.
The report is obviously incorrect so why repeat it on here, where I would have expected a higher knowledge of aviation matters.
 
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:25 pm

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 25):
Oh come on. Do you really believe that any air traffic controller in the world when hearing the words "Mayday Mayday Mayday" would not respond appropriately.

Would you expect a pilot to not land and make way for a incoming emergency but ignore it and still land?
It happens. Cant recall the incident but it was recently.
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Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:35 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 26):
Would you expect a pilot to not land and make way for a incoming emergency but ignore it and still land?
It happens. Cant recall the incident but it was recently.

Yes I recall the incident and the sever consequences for the pilot and the airline.

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Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:59 pm

So all EK has to do to gain A380 landing rights is 'declare an emergency' near the city they want to land at  
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:52 am

Hydraulic failure, AV Herald doesn't specify what kind. But they imply that the runway issue was due to length; they couldn't land at the original runway they chose, which would fit with certain types of hydraulic failures.
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Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:00 am

Quoting spacecadet (Reply 29):
Hydraulic failure, AV Herald doesn't specify what kind. But they imply that the runway issue was due to length; they couldn't land at the original runway they chose, which wou

One of the posters on AV Herald talks about "...an IDG failure on 3 engines" - what's an IDG? Thanks.
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:10 am

Quoting Airvan00 (Reply 9):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 8):

Not giving an emergency first priority to land is a concern if you ask me...

Don't get you kickers in a knot. Don't forget you are relying on a newspaper for your facts.

For an aircraft flying from BKK to DXB, MAA and HYD are almost equidistant, depending on where exactly they were at the time of declaring an emergency......so, if MAA was not in a position to receive the aircraft, it maybe made sense to divert them to HYD instead, which is quuite close by.....
 
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Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:20 am

Quoting comorin (Reply 30):
what's an IDG? Thanks.

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Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:28 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 32):
Integrated Drive Generator, supplies electrical power!

What would that knock out that would require a longer runway? Thrust reversers? Spoilers?
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Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:39 am

Quoting 474218 (Reply 32):
Quoting comorin (Reply 30):
what's an IDG? Thanks.

Integrated Drive Generator, supplies electrical power!

Thank you! That sounds serious enough...
 
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RE: Largest Airplane Emergency Landing HYD (EK A380)

Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:13 pm

Quoting 2175301 (Reply 17):
Not really, all planes go through these kind of incidents. Since the A380 is still relatively new and it has a high press interest due to the investment and image minor and somewhat routine incidents get more press attention.

The A380 will always get extra attention from the press due to size.
Its the numbers that attracts the press, 500 pax is more interesting than a B737 with 110 on board.
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