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Australian Aviation Thread 55

Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:07 am

Good evening all. Feeling very lazy at present, so here is our new thread and any reference to previous discussions can be made by referring to:. Australian Aviation Thread #54 (by TN486 Sep 17 2011 in Civil Aviation). Interesting times ahead for QF and DJ, please continue your discussions here, cheers
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:45 pm

Just over two weeks until CZ commences their innaugral PER services. I'm very excited to see a new airline in PER.

Does anyone know how long the BA 777 chartered by the Queen will stay for in PER during CHOGM? Any other impressive aircraft to spot over the week?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:53 am

Qantas Airways Ltd. has gained approval from Singapore's Economic Development Board to establish a premium subsidiary carrier in the city state, prompting protests from Singapore Airlines Ltd.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/qan...irks-singapore-airlines-2011-10-23
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 3:20 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 2):

SQ is protesting, yet at Tiger in Australia? Exciting for QF, SIN will prove a great hub, though I wish it would have been a Chinese hub! Oh well!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 5:43 am

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 2):
prompting protests from Singapore Airlines Ltd.

Did they protest when Jetstar Asia started up... ? Or is it just becayse this new carrier will be premium ?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:01 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 3):
SQ is protesting, yet at Tiger in Australia? Exciting for QF, SIN will prove a great hub, though I wish it would have been a Chinese hub! Oh well!

...they could set up a couple of asian hubs? SIN and HKG would both work quite well. SIN for connections to south east asia as well as its use to QF as a long haul hub, while HKG is perfect location connecting through to mainland china, south korea and japan.

When you say you were hopeing for a chinese hub, are you thinking the likes of PVG or PEK? HKG actually would work better, for pax say flying to HGH or NGB for example, connecting via HKG pax can be through checked to final destination, where as going via a hub in mainland china, like PEK or PVG for example, pax cannot be through checked onto domestic routes to get to these destinations (have to clear baggage at first point of entry into mainland china due customs rules). So the transit process isn't as quick for connections like HKG can be.

SIN does make sence...question is would QF really want to enter its oneworld partner CXs turf? these airlines should be working closer together with codeshares rather then competing.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:09 am

one clue from what Bruce Buchanan said - the new Jetstar Singapore Beijing flight is not meant to be a through flight between Beijing and Melbourne, even though it has a through flight number. It is intended to get passengers connecting between Indonesia and Beijing - this is what Jetstar sees as a big market.

If there is business traffic between Indonesia and China, I would think Singapore Airlines (among others) would already be carrying it - Singapore Airlines has some four daily flights on SIN-PEK with big planes. Jetstar must think SQ are seriously overcharging people for flying this route.

If RedQ starts operating out of SIN - and BB has said that the A320neo will have the range to do SIN-PEK - is BB expecting to take Business Class passengers out of SQ? If he provides connections between Jakarta and Singapore to Beijing, will people really want to sit in a sleeper seat between CGK and SIN (90 minute flight)?

IF (IF) it turns out that Qantas are on to a winner, and surprises everyone, the easy way for SQ to respond would be to turn Silkair into a Premium carrier. They can operate the same A320neos as RedQ.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:14 am

An Air NZ A320 will be in CBR on the evening of the 25th, then departing for PER around Lunch-time on the 26th. Will then position back to CHC via EL on the vening of the 26th,
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:36 am

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 6):
one clue from what Bruce Buchanan said - the new Jetstar Singapore Beijing flight is not meant to be a through flight between Beijing and Melbourne, even though it has a through flight number. It is intended to get passengers connecting between Indonesia and Beijing - this is what Jetstar sees as a big market.

The funny thing about this was the big deal they tried to make of it in the media as a 'win' for MEL travellers. It was so badly executed that most in a few minutes could see straight through it for what it really was. If they wanted to spin a positive, atleast do it well.

Quoting Ben175 (Reply 1):
Just over two weeks until CZ commences their innaugral PER services. I'm very excited to see a new airline in PER.

Will be great to see PER get more service. Love it over there.

Quoting jetfuel (Reply 2):
Qantas Airways Ltd. has gained approval from Singapore's Economic Development Board to establish a premium subsidiary carrier in the city state, prompting protests from Singapore Airlines Ltd.

Protests from its own workers, Singapore Airlines and likely half the globe at this rate. Will be an interesting ride  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:58 am

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 7):
An Air NZ A320 will be in CBR on the evening of the 25th, then departing for PER around Lunch-time on the 26th. Will then position back to CHC via EL on the vening of the 26th,

Do you know why it is here? And what time it will be arriving in CBR? and around lunch time departure on the wednesday?
Gosh, CBR has never seen so much action! First BA 777 and now an NZ A320?! Whats next??
I think I need to lie down..      

(Yes, you do get bored of the QF Link Dash 8's and QF 734 and the occasional 738 - although DJ new livery is always cool to see)

[Edited 2011-10-24 02:59:31]
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:44 am

Quoting vaustralie (Reply 9):
Do you know why it is here? And what time it will be arriving in CBR? and around lunch time departure on the wednesday?
Gosh, CBR has never seen so much action! First BA 777 and now an NZ A320?! Whats next??
I think I need to lie down..      

(Yes, you do get bored of the QF Link Dash 8's and QF 734 and the occasional 738 - although DJ new livery is always cool to see)

I would assume it's the NZ PM heading over for the Commonwealth event that the Queen is here for. Probably stopping in Canberra for some formalities on the way  
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:43 pm

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 10):
I would assume it's the NZ PM heading over for the Commonwealth event that the Queen is here for.

I thought the NZ PM might be coming over to brag about the rugby   
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:54 pm

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 10):
I would assume it's the NZ PM heading over for the Commonwealth event that the Queen is here for. Probably stopping in Canberra for some formalities on the way

If the All Blacks managed to defeat Australia in the RWC (which happened, just in case the people who follow AFL did not hear about it) the NZ PM and the Australian PM had a bet that the PM of the losing country would have to eat an apple produced in the winning country. So the A320 would have landed at Canberra so he could drop off a case of nice NZ apples.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:16 pm

Quoting alangirvan (Reply 12):
So the A320 would have landed at Canberra so he could drop off a case of nice NZ apples.

Hopefully some non-diseased ones 
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:27 pm

An apple, Mmmmmm, that's easy fixed, just get quarantine to declare it a hazard and destroy it !!
Sure has been plenty of extra capacity between AKL and SYD in the last day or two, no doubt for the rugby and most of them probably wearing black and heading back to Bondi, etc.
For those in SYD, Cargolux has returned with a weekly flight on Saturdays, coming from the U.S and returning to LAX nonstop. rumoured to become a 748 in the near future.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:31 pm

Quoting qfa787380 (Reply 13):
For those in SYD, Cargolux has returned with a weekly flight on Saturdays, coming from the U.S and returning to LAX nonstop. rumoured to become a 748 in the near future.

Perhaps some ad hoc stops in Auckland to pick up NZ apples for the Sydney market. (It should be a stop at CHC so they can pick up some nice Central Otago varieties.)
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:54 pm

Funny man Alan, but we have plenty of excellent apples right here thankyou !!
SYD has seen a big increase in cargo in recent times though, extra flights by SQ and CX, the new LX flight, new weekly flights by EK and TG, adhocs by QF and 5X is up to 8 a week (had 3 in one day last week). All adds up to a lot of extra main deck capacity.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:23 am

Saw this on another forum re Skytrans TWB-SYD

Plans for air services take off

Adam Davies | 20th October 2011


THE Toowoomba business community has applauded a proposal by Skytrans to operate regular passenger flights out of Toowoomba airport.

Proposed daily flights to Sydney, Roma and Gladstone are due to commence by January.

Senior Skytrans executives met with business leaders at City Hall on Tuesday, where the plans were unveiled.

Local business owner and Toowoomba Chamber of Commerce president Geoff McDonald said regular services were long overdue.

"This is very exciting news for not only the business community, but also for the people of Toowoomba," Mr McDonald said.

"Regular services have been long overdue and it will certainly open up a plethora of opportunities for the city," he added.

The Chamber, along with The Chronicle, launched a campaign two weeks ago requesting the community to register their support and interest in destinations prior to Tuesday's meeting.

"Skytrans were shocked at the level of community support and feedback that was received by the Chamber within such a short period.

"They were certainly surprised and now realise that there is overwhelming interest and a market here for services.

"I have to applaud The Chronicle for their support in this matter. It has been fantastic," Mr McDonald said.

Despite the services being largely targeted to business and industry personnel, Mr McDonald said that it was the first step to further connecting Toowoomba with the rest of the country.

"Skytrans have made it quite clear that they are not targeting the leisure market to begin with.

"Apart from the mining and resources sector, a huge amount of interest was shown from businesses such as the University of Southern Queensland.

"However, as the services become established that certainly will most likely change," Mr McDonald said.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:53 am

Quoting 747m8te (Reply 11):
I thought the NZ PM might be coming over to brag about the rugby   

They should use the All Blacks plane!!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:13 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 17):
Skytrans TWB-SYD

Beauty!!! Can't wait for that!

Plus, VH-TJJ, QF 734 has been sent to storage at AVV

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:25 am

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 14):
For those in SYD, Cargolux has returned with a weekly flight on Saturdays, coming from the U.S and returning to LAX nonstop. rumoured to become a 748 in the near future.

Were Cargolux previously flying into MEL?

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 16):
SYD has seen a big increase in cargo in recent times though, extra flights by SQ and CX, the new LX flight, new weekly flights by EK and TG, adhocs by QF and 5X is up to 8 a week (had 3 in one day last week). All adds up to a lot of extra main deck capacity.

Certainly has increased dramatically of late.

SYD tends to do well with freight when the dollar is higher with more imports, wheras MEL seems to do better when its lower due to a more export driven market. Strange but I guess thats the nature of the individual markets.

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 17):
Proposed daily flights to Sydney, Roma and Gladstone are due to commence by January.

Very interesting indeed, especially the SYD flight.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:50 am

Hey, I don't know if this has been discussed/asked before.

Yesterday, I drove from the domestic terminal at PER to the international terminal on the newish road that lets one bypass using Tonkin Hwy.

On the way there I saw that they were building what looks like a viewing platform or something similar, which would have great views of runway 03/21. Can anybody confirm that this is a viewing platform? I drove by pretty quick so I might be mistaken.

If it is, when will it open?

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:50 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 20):
Were Cargolux previously flying into MEL?

Yes they did for quite a few years too. That flight started around the same time the original SYD flight started which only lasted a few months. Sounds like this one though is for a specific forwarder, the flight to SYD comes from ORD and as I mentioned earlier heads back nonstop to LAX, so obviously they are not expecting big loads out of SYD. The aircraft routes through Asia on the way to the U.S. then to SYD, then back to Luxemburg through the U.S. quite some routing for the aircraft.

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 20):
Certainly has increased dramatically of late.

SYD tends to do well with freight when the dollar is higher with more imports, wheras MEL seems to do better when its lower due to a more export driven market. Strange but I guess thats the nature of the individual markets.

SYD is probably in the better position as the import hub, especially from the U.S. as seen by the number of freighters that operate into SYD from the U.S. particularly with regard to FX and 5X, both of which have large sorting hubs here. The flights usually arrive mid afternoon and it allows next day delivery for all customs cleared freight the next day for the vast majority of the country, plus N.Z.. There are also more connections to Pacific Islands from SYD than MEL.

For the rest who operate freighters into SYD, most do so into MEL as well, sometimes as a tag on, the exception is KE and EK.

Having said that, freighters from this country still carry mostly air !!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:08 am

Could someone please shed some light on the current ground works which have commenced around SYD....
I have noted a lot of work being carried out at various spots.... I know there is a NEW Airport Hotel currently under construction and probably new stand off areas for aircraft...
Would be nice to see images of the plans...

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:21 am

Can't find the link but rumour is going around that Vietnam Airlines is looking to buy the 70% not owned by QF in Jetstar Pacific. Initially I was against the idea, as reduces competition, however it appears that Vietnam doesnt want competition and has been trying to block JQ at every turn, so if they are part of Vietnam Airlines it will allow the airline to grow. It would also be interesting to see if any arrangements between QF and VN were to emerge.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:35 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 24):
however it appears that Vietnam doesnt want competition and has been trying to block JQ at every turn, so if they are part of Vietnam Airlines it will allow the airline to grow.

VN buying out JQ would be a move to shut down their Vietnam operations -- they wouldn't be buying to expand, they'd be buying to curb a threat before it takes too much traffic away...
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:25 pm

FJ to get 3 x new 332's in March 2013. Could this mean they will hub over NAN, like NZ do over AKL esp to SFO & YVR ?

Apparently NZ gets lots of passengers going BNE-MEL/SFO or YVR. Only other options for BNE passengers to go to SFO are go UA via SYD or whoever via LAX. to YVR either go AC via SYD or whoever via LAX. Similarly for MEL passengers.

Would love to see 3 x 332's arriving in NAN from BNE, SYD, MEL about same times a few times a week. One could continue onto LAX, one could alternate between SFO & YVR. Could would with as few as twice a week initially.

Can't remember what frequency NZ started AKL/SFO & AKL/YVR with.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:57 pm

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 26):
FJ to get 3 x new 332's in March 2013. Could this mean they will hub over NAN, like NZ do over AKL esp to SFO & YVR ?

Most likely they'll just continue the routes that are offered right at this present time.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:59 pm

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 27):
Most likely they'll just continue the routes that are offered right at this present time.

they are talking about new routes. Perhaps PER/NAN/LAX? PER is where the money is.

[Edited 2011-10-25 16:04:13]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:45 am

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 28):
they are talking about new routes. Perhaps PER/NAN/LAX? PER is where the money is.

They're going to need more planes then... I agree PER a couple of times a week isn't a bad option.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:06 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 29):
Quoting JMM99 (Reply 28):
they are talking about new routes. Perhaps PER/NAN/LAX? PER is where the money is.


They're going to need more planes then... I agree PER a couple of times a week isn't a bad option.

Why would they need more widebodies ?

Not talking daily. Could work if as little as twice a week.

Surprised than NZ don't have some PER/AKL & AKL/LAX-SFO-YVR connecting.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:13 am

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 30):
Why would they need more widebodies ?

Not talking daily. Could work if as little as twice a week.

Surprised than NZ don't have some PER/AKL & AKL/LAX-SFO-YVR connecting.

Well I'm not 100% up to date with their capacity or schedules, but even a two weekly NAN-PER flight (which is all I was suggesting) will utilise 2 full days worth of flying for one frame (it's an 8 hour flight each way...). If they're going to be upping frequencies to LAX/HKG as it being suggested in the other thread to cover the capacity drop from the 744 to A332 then there's not going to be a lot of space left in the fleet.

And I think the fact that NZ have useless connections PER-North America shows there's not a market there worth chasing after for them... They clearly make more money increasing the utilisation of their aircraft than optimising connections for a small PER-North America market which has fierce competition as it is.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:08 am

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 30):
Surprised than NZ don't have some PER/AKL & AKL/LAX-SFO-YVR connecting.

Think about when the PER-AKL flight would have to depart in order to connect to 1715 and 1915 departures to SFO and LAX.

Then compare this against offerings by QF to get to LAX via SYD or BNE.

Then compare against the offerings by CX via HKG (particularly if going to JFK) and soon to be CZ via CAN.

Then you'll see why NZ doesn't even bother.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:15 am

People from Perth are used to flying to the USA via Asia. They have done that for years.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:54 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 10):
I would assume it's the NZ PM heading over for the Commonwealth event that the Queen is here for. Probably stopping in Canberra for some formalities on the way  

That would make sense

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 14):
Cargolux has returned with a weekly flight on Saturdays

Do you know when they land?

And does anybody know how VC's rebranding is going?
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:22 am

Vaustralie, don't have it with me, but from memory it is around 1500 on Saturday and departure at 1900 same night. The inaugural last week however didn't land till after 2200 and left at sparrows on Sunday morning.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:43 am

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 35):
but from memory it is around 1500

Thanks for that, when I finally go on holidays I might go check it out! Cargolux is one I've not seen yet  
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:13 am

Quoting The Coachman (Reply 32):
Quoting JMM99 (Reply 30):
Surprised than NZ don't have some PER/AKL & AKL/LAX-SFO-YVR connecting.

Think about when the PER-AKL flight would have to depart in order to connect to 1715 and 1915 departures to SFO and LAX.

Then compare this against offerings by QF to get to LAX via SYD or BNE.

Then compare against the offerings by CX via HKG (particularly if going to JFK) and soon to be CZ via CAN.

Then you'll see why NZ doesn't even bother.

fair enough. PER/NAN then.

NAN a lot safer than good old Bali & no drug issues.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:30 pm

PER/NAN ?? Why ??
Why waste an aircraft for 2 days when it could actually be making money on the existing routes or more likely tourist targets such as China ?
FJ currently only have the 3 widebody aircraft, so realistically to think these 330's will open any new routes maybe pushing it, maybe building up the services to LAX and SYD maybe more likely, the latter especially, which currently sees daily 400+ seat 747's, the drop to say 300 seat 330's is a significant drop.
If West Australians really want to get to Fiji, they will continue to connex through SYD of BNE, it's not that much of a hardship !!!
And of course, no need to worry about drugs in Fiji just another military coup.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:53 pm

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 38):
Fiji just another military coup.

What coup ? Last one postponed for rugby, which is far more important in Fiji.

Connecting at BNE or SYD from domestic to international (& v.v.) is a pain in the arse !!!

FJ's major problem ex Australia (BNE, SYD, MEL) is DJ because early morning dethey're looking at huge market ipartures ex SYD mean overnight aircraft at SYD. SYD also has JQ.

Maybe they are looking at huge market in mainland China ?

Just exploring options.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:22 am

I agree PER-NAN-LAX will never work.

Anyway Alliance put their first Fokker 70 VH-QQX into service today on a FIFO resource charter BNE-MKY-BNE.

Another aircraft type in Australian skies.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:12 am

JMM99, hey I know you are just exploring options, you have every right to. You do come up with some reasonable ideas at times, but sometimes, well they are a bit far fetched.
PER/NAN would never work, it is a waste of a plane really, the limited market that there is so easily served over SYD or BNE and while you have the idea that all Australians dread transferring through those ports because you have to change terminals, the mulitude of buses that run between the terminals in SYD tell a different story. Transfers are a fact of life travelling, whether they be under the same roof, by bus, train or monorail.
One other thing, you mention parents want to break trips so their kids get sleep, they maybe a factor on trips from say Europe to Oz, but from the U.S, get the bloody thing over and done with ASAP, I have 4 kids, the cost and disruption a mid trip stopover would cause, just doesn't figure into the convience of a nonstop flight, or the pure simple fact, that kids sleep the best in their own beds !!
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:43 pm

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 41):
PER/NAN would never work, it is a waste of a plane really, the limited market that there is so easily served over SYD or BNE

No don't agree. People in general want nonstops because of the all the useless time consuming nonscience like so called security these days at airports.

FJ do routes like NAN/CHC. They only fly it once a week, but they didn't drop it after earthquake.

Routes like PER/NAN or ADL/NAN are never going to be a busienss route, so perhaps they could do these once a week as well.

7 night packages holiday packages work well. Hotels love them to, so wholesalers get better rates, which makes packages viable + if some passengers wanted more or less than 7 nights they could go on existing services via BNE, SYD or MEL or they really wanted to.

Would think PER/NAN & ADL/NAN would not be much longer than PER/AKL or ADL/AKL.

Lastly WLG/NAN surely would be a winner. Must be some money in WLG with allmthose highly paid public servants.

FJ could send a 737 down there once a week, freed up with new A332's flying a previous 737 sector or 2.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Fri Oct 28, 2011 1:59 am

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 42):
Would think PER/NAN & ADL/NAN would not be much longer than PER/AKL or ADL/AKL.

PER-NAN is longer than PER-AKL on the great circle route by approximately 600 miles.

PER-NAN great circle route takes it almost right over BNE.

Most PER people who want that kind of holiday will go to DPS anyway.
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:37 am

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 42):
No don't agree. People in general want nonstops because of the all the useless time consuming nonscience like so called security these days at airports.

Non stops are always the way to go for a numer of reasons - arrival time, length of flight, etc. You need to consider all the variables before going out and making rash statements. On my 2 previous overseas trips I took connecting flights on both outbound sectors. The first was Decembe 28 when I flew BNE-AKL-WLG on NZ. Why did I connect and not go direct? I didnt want to arrive at midnight - the 8pm arrival was a simple decision over a midnight arrival. And just recently when I took a 5 week holiday to Europe and I flew into Heathrow - no direct flights available, and even if there were a BNE-LHR direct I personally would not take it unless a I could afford to fly in business class, which unfortunately
like most people I'm confined to flying in economy. Would one want to be stuck in economy for 20 or more hours in one stint? Ask yourself that question. I for one am not one of those people.

In regards to PER-NAN, definitely wont work - almost no market, and an A332 is too much plane without the feed into Perth. Look at where PER currently have services to and tell me where you think they prefer to go for a holiday. Places like Bali, Phuket and Kota Kinabalu have directs to Perth, are much closer, and much much cheaper. People will take the cheaper option, and if it means Bali over Fiji, then Bali it is.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:48 am

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 44):
In regards to PER-NAN, definitely wont work - almost no market, and an A332 is too much plane without the feed into Perth. Look at where PER currently have services to and tell me where you think they prefer to go for a holiday. Places like Bali, Phuket and Kota Kinabalu have directs to Perth, are much closer, and much much cheaper. People will take the cheaper option, and if it means Bali over Fiji, then Bali it is.

Agreed 100%. As much as I would love to see FJ in PER (and hey, i'm a a dreamer!), it's just not going to happen. We'll see NZ PER-CHC direct years before PER-NAN.

However, I do think there is definitely potential for some "out of the box" routes from PER. Vietnam is a booming destination, so a 3 x weekly PER-SGN-HAN with a 332 could definitely be a winner. With CZ starting services to CAN, I think we'll definitely see direct services to PVG and/or PEK in the next few years on one of the big Chinese carriers. EY or QR are pretty much guaranteed, atleast one of them, in the next 2 years.
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:28 am

Quoting The Coachman (Reply 43):
Most PER people who want that kind of holiday will go to DPS anyway.

DPS is nothing like Fiji. Insult to Fijians.

Quoting Bluebird191 (Reply 44):
Places like Bali, Phuket and Kota Kinabalu have directs to Perth, are much closer, and much much cheaper. People will take the cheaper option, and if it means Bali over Fiji, then Bali it is.

Total different markets.

DJ did fly ADL/NAN for a while IIRC. A weekly NAN/ADL/NAN could work surely ?
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:44 am

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 42):
No don't agree. People in general want nonstops because of the all the useless time consuming nonscience like so called security these days at airports.

I'll take a one-stop instead of a non-stop any time - and usually give myself a break at the stop as well.

On any long journey, I don't see the point of paying all that money just to get there unless there is some urgent reason to do so.

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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:03 am

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 46):
DJ did fly ADL/NAN for a while IIRC. A weekly NAN/ADL/NAN could work surely ?

i think you have answered your question..

if DJ did it, and then cancelled it, who else do you think would do it and why would it work?

it wasn't that long along that they started.

ADL-DPS commenced at 2pw in Dec 2008, and ADL-NAN commenced as 2pw 4 June 2009.

ADL-NAN was dropped 1 May 2010, while ADL-DPS now operates 4pw.

[Edited 2011-10-27 23:26:33]
 
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RE: Australian Aviation Thread 55

Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:09 am

I drove past PER airport today, and saw a couple nice visitors for CHOGM, and somebody here break down for me the planes there.

I could see a Sri Lankan A340-300, a VS 747-400 (assuming this is for David Cameron, not the queen changing from BA), an Air India aircraft (could only see the tail), and a grey 747 (who's plane is this?).

These for airplanes were parked just beyond the international terminal. There were also a couple smaller planes (seemed like gov aircraft) parked in the vicinity, but I couldn't get a good look.

Anyway, an interesting mix for PER, but can somebody give some better details?

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