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BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:40 pm

There is an increasingly tricky situation developing in the Thai capital of Bangkok because of the flooding. Now comes news that the city's second airport, Don Muang, has shut down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15441663

So far Bangkok's main international airport continues to function but there are reports that (airport) staff are facing difficulty getting to their place of work which means that flight cancellations can be expected.

http://www.travelmole.com/stories/1149939.php

The picture remains confusing but I have read their are queues at TG's downtown ticket office with travellers anxious to leave in case the situation worsens.

So far, the big European airlines have not posted BKK travel alerts on their websites or offered passengers the ability to change/cancel their trips without penalty. I find this surprising in light of the seriousness of the situation.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:29 pm

iirc, The RTAF Museum was at Don Maung. Also there were Orient Thai/Phuket B747's and Thai Skyways L1011.

Does anyone know if these were affected.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:33 pm

there is a pic of a TG 777 standing in the water at http://derstandard.at
is that at Don Muang?
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:42 pm

Not sure, if it is, then flooding is pretty limited.

There is another TG aircraft behind.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:43 pm

Quoting macc (Reply 2):
is that at Don Muang?

I think it must be. From what I read the main international airport is, so far, unaffected by flood water.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:08 pm

Quoting macc (Reply 2):
there is a pic of a TG 777 standing in the water at http://derstandard.at

That's not a 777, it an old A300.  
Quoting macc (Reply 2):
is that at Don Muang?

Yes it is.
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:26 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 1):
iirc, The RTAF Museum was at Don Maung. Also there were Orient Thai/Phuket B747's and Thai Skyways L1011.

Does anyone know if these were affected.

Probably, the Rangsit region was the hardest hit part of Bangkok so far. and that includes Don Muang district.

Don Muang was sheltering refugees on the elevated terminal check in area, but now the water has arrived the ground level (tarmac)
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:55 pm

Do TG operate A300 out of Don Maung?.

I notice that there is a plastic sheet over 1 engine.

Is this aircraft stored.

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Thai%20Airways-stored-a300.htm

This shows 5 aircraft as stored/scrapped, but seems to show 4 as scrapped, (about 2008?) and 1 stored in 2010, which presumably would be at the main airport.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:13 pm

Quoting LondonCity (Thread starter):
So far, the big European airlines have not posted BKK travel alerts on their websites or offered passengers the ability to change/cancel their trips without penalty. I find this surprising in light of the seriousness of the situation.

UA issued a "Travel Waiver" on the 21st, which unfortunately I have had to take advantage of. I was meant to be in BKK this weekend.
Hope it does not get too bad, but it looks ominous at the moment.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Tue Oct 25, 2011 4:29 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 7):
Do TG operate A300 out of Don Maung?.

No, TG does not operate any flights from Don Mueang. The airport is only used for domestic flights by Nok Air, Orient Thai and Solar Air. All other aircraft, including the TG's, is stored old junk.  
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:02 pm

HS-TAL and HS-TAK

http://www.rhein-zeitung.de/cms_media/module_img/973/486620_1_articlepopup_4ea6b085e25d8.jpg

http://www.rhein-zeitung.de/cms_media/module_img/973/486619_1_articlepopup_4ea6b084b189d.jpg
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:04 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 1):
iirc, The RTAF Museum was at Don Maung. Also there were Orient Thai/Phuket B747's and Thai Skyways L1011.
Does anyone know if these were affected.

From looking at that A300 photo I'd say yes. The A300 is parked near the Orient Thai L1011s.
The main road on the ground level is flooded and Nok Air and One2Go suspended their flights as of this afternoon.

Quoting LondonCity (Thread starter):
So far Bangkok's main international airport continues to function but there are reports that (airport) staff are facing difficulty getting to their place of work which means that flight cancellations can be expected.

That is true. Many people in my office haven't been to work due to flooding. Those hardest hit are on the outskirts of Bangkok. I'm keeping my eye out the window to see if my area gets affected. Flooding has crept in to some parts of Bangkok and the Chao Phraya River has risen over its banks.

To make matters worse, an estimated 100 crocodiles has escaped a nearby crocodile farm and the government is offering cash money for those that catch them alive. I have a friend, her and her boyfriend has caught one already. Its what I'm having for dinner tomorrow.  
I hear they taste pretty good. She'll be getting a new purse, he'll get some new shoes and we're all going to have a feast.

I'll upload photos later.


People are coping well and helping each other out. Thailand has had many floods before.

By the way, if any local Bangkok spotters can get to Don Mueang, please try to get a photo of these aircraft sitting in water for the database. You just don't see large airliners parked on ponds everyday.
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:00 pm

Did airlines manage to get their aircraft out ahead of the floods?

The tsunami at Sendai came with little warning but no airliners were on the ground when it hit. Pretty amazing!
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:25 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15441663

It seems that the A300's are not at serious risk.

However, it might be best to move them out of that lake.

Tyres do not like to sit in water.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:49 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15471849

apparently the runway is flooded, but operations on the first floor are OK, suggesting that the flooding is fairly shallow.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:56 pm

Nice picture of 4 engineless Orient Thai DC9's and B767 N570JH of Avcorp Holdings, (ex ELAL).


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-15474545



http://www.planespotters.net/Product...JH-AvCorp-Holdings-Inc-Trustee.php
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:21 pm

I have looked at the images again.

The front "DC9", the silver one, seems to be an MD80.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:45 pm

I was looking through www.airliners.net at the fleet of Orient Thai, which I understood had ceased operations in 2008, then I found this;

http://www.flyorientthai.com/en/aboutus/

and this;

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/O...%20Thai%20Airlines-stored-b747.htm

So my question is does this airline still exist or not.

Please can the moderators take a broad view, as it is broadly related to the situation at Don Maung, and does not seem worth a separate thread.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:55 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 17):
I was looking through www.airliners.net at the fleet of Orient Thai, which I understood had ceased operations in 2008, then I found this;

Orient Thai and One2Go is the same airline and yes they operate daily flights throughout Thailand.
You're thinking of Thai Sky which used the L1011. There are two Thai Sky L1011s still parked out at Don Mueang. They no longer fly.

I'm keeping an eye out on the flooding. I live not too far from Don Mueang and looking out the window to see if/when the flood waters head my way.
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:26 pm

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 17):
I was looking through www.airliners.net at the fleet of Orient Thai, which I understood had ceased operations in 2008, then I found this;

http://www.flyorientthai.com/en/aboutus/

and this;

http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/O...%20Thai%20Airlines-stored-b747.htm

So my question is does this airline still exist or not.

Please can the moderators take a broad view, as it is broadly related to the situation at Don Maung, and does not

They still exist and do flights to HKG, MFM amongst other places. They still have a couple of 747-300s, two 747-400s (Hadj flights mainly), 2-3 737-300s and a couple of 767s one of which is in the TPE hangars now being prepared for them. Most if not all of the MD80s are out of service and I believe One-Two-Go which was their subsidiary (and involved in the fatal MD80 Phuket crash) has been shut down.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:34 pm

Thanks for clearing that up.

Also thanks for confirming the Thai Sky Tristars.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:54 am

Quoting bennett123 (Reply 17):
I was looking through www.airliners.net at the fleet of Orient Thai,

I didn't know A.net maintained fleet information. Where are you looking?
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:47 am

Sorry, my mistake.

I meant www.airfleets.net.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:23 am

The photo shows 2x MD-87's and 2x MD-80's in the background...
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:14 am

Quoting crownvic (Reply 23):
The photo shows 2x MD-87's and 2x MD-80's in the background...

Yes, the immatriculations are: HS-OMA (MD-82), HS-OMB (MD-82), HS-OMI (MD-87) and HS-OMJ (MD-87). Have a look to www.ch-aviation.ch
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:10 pm

Update on the flood situation.
The floods are creeping further in to Bangkok and Don Muang is still flooded.
Western media and Thai media are saying different things and none seem to be accurate. Not sure if information is getting lost in translation or not. You just sort of have to be on the ground to see it.
The floods are unpredictable and seem to defy gravity. My street is about a half meter higher than the next soi (street) but still flooded a day before the next street. It's moving very slow. Imagine a tsunami moving like a zombie. It is surreal.
I admire the way the local people remain so calm and very helpful to each other. Many are making the best out of this catastrophe.

Here are some photos of Don Muang and surrounding areas.

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/DonMueang_flood.jpg

http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/DonMuang_flood747.jpg


http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/DonMuang_MD80flood.jpg


Crocodiles caught near Don Muang airport. The reward for capturing a live crocodile is 1000 baht.
These three guys each earned enough to buy bottle of Sang Som. http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj96/Rush8track/BangkokCrocodile-1.jpg


Other wildlife near Don Muang.





[Edited 2011-11-03 05:23:00]
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:21 pm

Most of the aircraft seem to have wet wheels, including 2 (Orient Thai?) B747's.

However the MD82 or MD87 looks like a goner.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Nov 03, 2011 12:47 pm

Amazing photos - thanks
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:01 pm

All those aircraft seem to be inactive and stored.
Was there any operational aircraft caught in the flooding?
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:06 pm

One of those L1011s looks like it belongs to the Sands Casino.
Is it still operating?
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Nov 03, 2011 1:47 pm

Quoting clydenairways (Reply 28):

All those aircraft seem to be inactive and stored.
Was there any operational aircraft caught in the flooding?

Yes and no.

Despite the fact that TG made a public claim (via their Facebook page) that the planes pictured are decommissioned, it also shows a picture of their 777s in the hangar (presumably undergoing retrofit - AVOD in Y) which has been lifted from the ground.

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150340464497293.347051.304177952292&type=1


There were two airlines operating from Don Muang Aiport, Nok Air and Orient Thai, and both of these have moved their aircraft to Suvarnabhumi Airport and is operating from there currently.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:02 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 29):
One of those L1011s looks like it belongs to the Sands Casino.
Is it still operating?

I see three tristars. A Thai Sky, a Sands one and the other? It looks like a -500 as well.
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:06 pm

I assume Don Muang is still the Royal Thai AF HQ, and presumably they moved all their aircraft out before the water got too high.

The airport also apparently holds a few bizjets and other private aircraft. Any word on their status?
 
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Sun Nov 06, 2011 8:36 pm

Quoting rfields5421 (Reply 32):
The airport also apparently holds a few bizjets and other private aircraft. Any word on their status?

MJets is based at Don Muang and they use the Cessna Citation X , CJ3 and Piper Malibu Mirage.
Their terminal is at the far north end and isn't clear in that photo if those planes are still there. I would assume such valuable aircraft would have been removed already.
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:47 pm

Great pictures Superfly! I hope you stay dry and away from the alligators 

How is the Sukhomvit area and are the freeways to BKK still okey??
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:11 am

Things would have far worse if Don Muang was still the sole airport in Bangkok. Looks like the golf course wont be used for a long time to come as well.
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RE: BKK Floods Close Don Muang Apt

Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:23 am

Quoting SASDC8 (Reply 34):
Great pictures Superfly! I hope you stay dry and away from the alligators

How is the Sukhomvit area and are the freeways to BKK still okey??



I fled to Phuket a few days ago but I have to go back to Bangkok for a few things. I'll continue to work remotely away from Bangkok. The situation hasn't improved so I may go up to northern Thailand.

So far, there has been 1 reported crocodile attack. A man about 2 kilometers from my place needed 100 stitches after being bit by a crocodile.

Quoting malaysia (Reply 35):
Things would have far worse if Don Muang was still the sole airport in Bangkok.


My guess is that more pre-cautions would have been taken if Don Muang was still the main airport.



Just out of curiosity, what would happen if a large aircraft tried landing at Don Muang in 1 meter deep water? Would be a great set for an action movie.
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