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Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:47 pm

Since AS is using 737-800 west coast to Hawaii, are these flights going out full or weight restricted for the distance. Could anyone who works at AS give an insight on load factors? I myself would rather go that far on an airline that flies twin aisle instead of a small single aisle aircraft.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:17 pm

Quoting GizmoNC (Thread starter):
Since AS is using 737-800 west coast to Hawaii, are these flights going out full or weight restricted for the distance. Could anyone who works at AS give an insight on load factors? I myself would rather go that far on an airline that flies twin aisle instead of a small single aisle aircraft.

They are nearly completely full and the only time they may suffer weight restrictions is in Dec-February or so if the Pineapple Express winds are kicking up. Flights from the Bay Area though don't get weight restricted. Only SEA/BLI and maybe PDX. But this is a TINY amount of the total flights. So small that it's not significant.

The year ending July 2011, all flights on AS to HNL and back averaged a 93% load factor. Compare that to the systemwide load factor during that same time of around 85%.

I've flown to Hawaii about 5 times since we started service and it's not as bad as you think. It's like taking a flight from SEA-BOS or SEA-MIA. It just happens to be over water. Onboard we also serve free Mai Tais an hour before landing in Hawaii.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:00 pm

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 1):
I've flown to Hawaii about 5 times since we started service and it's not as bad as you think.

Life is good.   My wife left a job of 28 years in March and she will need to be getting out into the workforce soon. I suggested getting on at an airline so that we can still take vacations. It's a great benefit.

My in-laws have flown them a few times to Hawaii - as you say, not much different than any other longer flight. The one time we've been to Hawaii was on a NW 747-200, and after the initial joy out of being on that big widebody, you realize just how many people are on the thing. Truth be told, I would almost prefer to fly an E190 there than anything else.

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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:07 pm

Quoting GizmoNC (Thread starter):
Could anyone who works at AS give an insight on load factors?

Hat' has directly answered your question very well but perhaps just thinking about AS's amazing expansion to the Islands over the last few years should provide you lots of insight about how successful they are. Do you really think they would still be continuing such growth by flying money-losing, half-full airplanes on long-haul routes?

Quoting GizmoNC (Thread starter):
I myself would rather go that far on an airline that flies twin aisle instead of a small single aisle aircraft.

Not like this discussion hasn't occurred about every month or 2 for the last 10 years (going back to the Aloha-days...) I'm not aware that anyone is holding a gun to the heads of all these passengers who fly single-aisle a/c across the Atlantic and half-way across the Pacific... on a WHOLE bunch of airlines btw! You are certainly entitled to your preferences but do we really need to open up this debate again?

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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:13 pm

As mentioned earlier, the flights are always quite full. I worked a SEA-HNL-SEA trip this week...we were 100% full over and had I think two seats empty on the way back. Doesn't get much fuller than that. Loads are so good that we'll be upping SEA-HNL to three flights daily come Dec 22nd-Mar 9th.

I've flown many times as a passenger and it's true...it feels no different than a trans-con flight. In fact there's more of an intimacy with the 737 over a wide-body. You don't feel so much like you're in this sea of bodies surrounding you.

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 2):
My wife left a job of 28 years in March and she will need to be getting out into the workforce soon. I suggested getting on at an airline so that we can still take vacations. It's a great benefit.

Tell your wife we're hiring! Looking at 200+ new Flight Attendants for 2012 and they love to hire people with a little 'seasoning'. You don't have to be 21 to be a brand-new stewardess anymore!
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:52 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 3):
Hat' has directly answered your question very well but perhaps just thinking about AS's amazing expansion to the Islands over the last few years should provide you lots of insight about how successful they are. Do you really think they would still be continuing such growth by flying money-losing, half-full airplanes on long-haul routes?

Sadly Hawaiian Airlines missed this window of opportunity unwilling to consider a smaller gage a/c to run these "direct to the island you want to go to" flights; but the "jury is still out" on if their expansion to the East (Japan) has been more profitable than what they passed on wiht more direct flights to the mainland
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 4:59 pm

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 1):
They are nearly completely full and the only time they may suffer weight restrictions is in Dec-February or so if the Pineapple Express winds are kicking up. Flights from the Bay Area though don't get weight restricted. Only SEA/BLI and maybe PDX. But this is a TINY amount of the total flights. So small that it's not significant.

I've flown AS to other island other than HNL, but, yes, the Pineapple Express has a tendency to dampen flights to Hawaii sometimes. In the past, I've heard AS prefers to do a fuel stop at OAK than go out weight-restricted. One flight from PDX-OGG was almost 7 hours long due to high jetstream winds from the Hawaii direction.

I kind of wonder if AS is going toward competing more against the incumbants, i.e. HA, in the future. The only route I've seen HA go after AS is on the OAK-OGG route.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:35 pm

It's definitely a popular route. I am seeing availability disappear daily. Very popular connections from YEG/YYC/YLW/YVR/YYJ/BLI for Canadians! I have a lot of clients who prefer to return in the day not on a red-eye, and AS normally ends up being their best bet.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:53 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
The only route I've seen HA go after AS is on the OAK-OGG route.

HA is also starting SJC-OGG. That will be interesting to watch.

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 1):
Onboard we also serve free Mai Tais an hour before landing in Hawaii.

Do you also do this in Coach?
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:06 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 6):
I've heard AS prefers to do a fuel stop at OAK than go out weight-restricted.

AS prefers to not have to do a fuel stop at all, but again, it's only necessary on a handful of days out of a year when faced with extreme headwinds.

Based on that, and the fact that you cannot predict specifically which days those will be, it's not a viable option to intentionally weight-restrict each flight every single day and pass up all that revenue based on the mere POSSIBILITY you might eventually have a fuel stop one day based on excessive headwinds.
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 6:11 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 8):
Do you also do this in Coach?

Yep. Free Mai Tais and a bag of macadamia nuts to get the pre-Hawaii party started  
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:09 pm

I am excited to fly AS to the islands (SEA-KOA) in March. They retimed the return flight so you no longer would need to overnight in SEA. This is also a benefit because you can fly home during the day versus red eyes and two connections. This was so smart.

Plus their Mileage Credit card is such a great deal right now. We were able to use the companion fare and buy the middle seat for the little one on the SEA-KOA-SEA legs. I am excited to use Alaska more, the options out of SEA seem ever growing.

Now I know a PTV topic came up recently....I wish Alaska would reconsider. When my father-in-law took my nieces and nephew to MCO they got rerouted onto Frontier DEN-MCO. The flight attendants went through the aisle and swiped the PTVs for all the kids onboard. They loved the whole Frontier experience and would fly Frontier again if it ever becomes available in MSO.

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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:11 pm

Quoting hatbutton (Reply 10):
Yep. Free Mai Tais and a bag of macadamia nuts to get the pre-Hawaii party started

I second that. It's a very nice touch on a long flight. A lot of people here don't like flying long distances on a narrowbody less than a 757. The 738's are pretty nice on AS. I haven't flown any other 738's over water.

I still think AS could do a tag-on in Hawaii to ITO from OGG. There are not that many intra-island flights between OGG-ITO. But we all know AS has larger opportunities elsewhere.

Another opportunity would be tag on GEG and/or BOI to some of their early SEA/PDX departures to Hawaii and evening arrivals to SEA/PDX.

With as many new airplanes AS will be receiving over the next year, it'll be interesting to see what AS comes up with in terms with route enhancements or new routes beyond MCI.

Is AS going to 2X daily SEA-OGG again this winter?

HA has a good product as well. The only beef I have with HA is that you cannot select your seats. I don't know if that has changed over the last few years though. Assigned seating on their intra-island 717's is nice.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:25 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
The 738's are pretty nice on AS.

It would be nice if their F seats weren't so damn hard.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:45 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
The only beef I have with HA is that you cannot select your seats.

HA has always had assigned seats on mainland flights and has had them on interisland for over 10 years. Seats assignments are available on their website at booking and can be changed online also.

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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:51 pm

Quoting n471wn (Reply 5):

Sadly Hawaiian Airlines missed this window of opportunity unwilling to consider a smaller gage a/c to run these "direct to the island you want to go to" flights; but the "jury is still out" on if their expansion to the East (Japan) has been more profitable than what they passed on wiht more direct flights to the mainland

Just give it up on this. HA passed on doing mainland-neighbor islands other than Maui flights 10 years ago. They also were not planning to do it either when Aloha and ATA went out of business in 2008.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
The only beef I have with HA is that you cannot select your seats. I don't know if that has changed over the last few years though. Assigned seating on their intra-island 717's is nice.

The only time you cannot select your seats is if you make your booking when the flight is roughly 75-80% sold. What would be nice is if we could see the seat availability when choosing the flight instead of after putting in all your personal information.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:47 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 12):
Is AS going to 2X daily SEA-OGG again this winter?

I believe it does yeah. And then in the spring goes down to maybe 18 times a week or something like that?
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:02 pm

Quoting ha763 (Reply 15):
Just give it up on this. HA passed on doing mainland-neighbor islands other than Maui flights 10 years ago. They also were not planning to do it either when Aloha and ATA went out of business in 2008.

I know that (of course). The point I am making (since the point you are trying to make is not clear) is that the jury is still out on whether or not this will turn out to be the right strategic decison----as your prior posts prove, you will always defend HA regardless of what they do strategically---I am neither defending or dismissing them----MY POINT was that we will all need to wait to see if they were right to go East and not invest in another gage a/c for direct flights to the Mainland.....let's shelve this debate for at least 5 years....
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:16 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 4):
I've flown many times as a passenger and it's true...it feels no different than a trans-con flight. In fact there's more of an intimacy with the 737 over a wide-body. You don't feel so much like you're in this sea of bodies surrounding you.

I have to voice a dissenting opinion here. I prefer the twin-aisle HA aircraft from SEA to Hawaii and here's a few reasons.
You are never more than one seat from the aisle
If there are service carts in one aisle you can cross over at some point to the other side if you need to get up and move about
More lavs, the queue to use one is shorter in most instances.
There's a nearly zero chance of a tech stop regardless of prevailing winds/load factor.
Just my   
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:39 pm

Quoting ER757 (Reply 18):
I have to voice a dissenting opinion here. I prefer the twin-aisle HA aircraft from SEA to Hawaii and here's a few reasons.
You are never more than one seat from the aisle
If there are service carts in one aisle you can cross over at some point to the other side if you need to get up and move about
More lavs, the queue to use one is shorter in most instances.
There's a nearly zero chance of a tech stop regardless of prevailing winds/load factor.
Just my

Those are good points...and you get a free meal (pay up...and you get a better, larger meal). Some things you can't do on HA is pre-reserve your seats online and all of the HA flights arrive in HI all at once so baggage and obtaining a rental car is bit more arduous. Does HA serve free tropical cocktails?

Call me biased because I won't deny it. For me, Alaska's loyalty program is a bit more practical to me.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:47 pm

Strategic (VC) based in BNE now have 2 x A332's a week BNE/HNL loaded from mid-DEC & 3 x 332's MEL/HNL also from mid-DEC.

They are rebranding as Air Australia in a few weeks & going low cost, ie. no food or drinks or checked luggage included in cheapest fares.

Apparently quite a few Australians are buying VC to HNL & then some other carrier to get to LAX, SFO, SEA, YVR or Bellingham, as a cheap way of getting to places like Canada.

VC have a sale ending at end of month for departures from 6JAN for only AUD$349 BNE or MEL/HNL one way.

Seem to be plenty of chep flights HNL/BELLINGHAM + people get to have a stopover in Hawaii which is not all bad.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:47 pm

This thread has deviated from AS and Hawaii... so I'll try and wrangle it back!

As a WN employee, I am very very impressed with AS Hawaii service. I was just in KOA and saw an AS -800 land. It reminded me of their network of direct Mainland - KOA/LIH/OGG flights. It all seems like a great operation.

Anyone know what's in the belly of their Hawaii flights? Mostly bags or freight?
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:03 am

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 21):
Anyone know what's in the belly of their Hawaii flights? Mostly bags or freight?

Pretty much just customer's luggage. The flights are so full that there really isn't the room for much freight. I'd think that there would a great market for fresh seafood as freight in both directions and I imagine HA is better able to take advantage of that than AS.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:25 am

Flew OAK-KOA on a Saturday and it was packed. Flew KOA-OAK on a Wednesday and it was also packed. This was in January.
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:57 am

Quoting n471wn (Reply 17):
I know that (of course). The point I am making (since the point you are trying to make is not clear) is that the jury is still out on whether or not this will turn out to be the right strategic decison----as your prior posts prove, you will always defend HA regardless of what they do strategically---I am neither defending or dismissing them----MY POINT was that we will all need to wait to see if they were right to go East and not invest in another gage a/c for direct flights to the Mainland.....let's shelve this debate for at least 5 years....

You have been dismissing HA's strategy. Every thread about AS or HA you bring up "HA missing window of opportunity." What is unclear about my point that HA has decided against adding Mainland-LIH/KOA/ITO flights multiple times in the past? I have not defended HA's strategy, I have only tried to educate you on what has happened. I have never said HA's current strategy is the correct one, but it is the one that they have chosen and has been their goal since the 1980's.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:21 am

I've never flown to Hawaii on a single isle twin. Just the standard 3 and 4 engine planes, starting with the L-749 Connie. That flight took all night, but they did hand out free Chiclets gum. On my first three trips across the Pacific, Honolulu was just a stop on the way, along with such garden spots as Wake, Guam and Fiji. Not much island hopping these days.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:32 am

Forgot about alliances, wouldn't AS be best talking & tieing up something with VC ex HNL before VC ties up with another carrier like Allegiant who apparently are starting Hawaii service in 2012 with 757's.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:51 am

Does anybody know how the loads out of BLI are doing? Does AS have any more plans to expand out of BLI and continue to pick up as many border clients as possible?
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:30 am

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 26):
Forgot about alliances, wouldn't AS be best talking & tieing up something with VC ex HNL before VC ties up with another carrier like Allegiant who apparently are starting Hawaii service in 2012 with 757's.

IINM, doesn't Alaska have some sort of codeshare with Qantas? If so, it would probably make more sense to route those passengers over LAX and leave the Hawaiian seats to folks traveling to the islands. Anyone able to elaborate on AS+QF?

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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:53 am

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 28):
Anyone able to elaborate on AS+QF?

AS works very closely with QF...they won't be adding any new partners from down-under. QF code-shares with AS, putting a QF flight number on AS flights up and down the west coast to feed their US gateway at LAX to SYD, MEL and BNE. It's a valuable, lucrative relationship for both parties.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:23 am

Quoting JMM99 (Reply 26):
Forgot about alliances, wouldn't AS be best talking & tieing up something with VC ex HNL before VC ties up with another carrier like Allegiant who apparently are starting Hawaii service in 2012 with 757's.

I would highly doubt Allegiant would codeshare with anyone. They won't even transfer bags to another flight on their own airline should you want to transfer. I can't see them doing it for another airline. Their whole pitch is to sell vacation packages to people, with hotels and cars included with the plane ticket so they can earn ancillary revenue. They are a true O&D airline and trying to funnel passengers to and from another airline would destroy their business model. They rarely make money selling airplane tickets as they just want you on the plane so then they can sell you as many ancillary fees as possible. I imagine the reason they want to fly to Hawaii is because the rates for Hawaii hotels are so much higher than the rest of the country, which means they get a bigger share of that revenue.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:59 pm

We've flown from SMF (Sacramento) to HGG (Maui) quite a few times on a 737, first with Aloha (RIP) and then Alaska. In fact, we're booked in June for another. As another posted said, it's just like any other long flight except it's over water. Oh, and all the flights we've taken have definitely been full.
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:07 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 29):
AS works very closely with QF

Not this week though    Until around 2005 QF had reps at AS counters SEA and PDX who would assist connecting customers with check in and documentation.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 21):
This thread has deviated from AS and Hawaii... so I'll try and wrangle it back!

Thanks! I'm sure there will be another AS HNL thread say, oh sometime next week. Hint Hint.  
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:29 pm

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 32):
Thanks! I'm sure there will be another AS HNL thread say, oh sometime next week. Hint Hint.

Hi Tom, oh really? I'll bet I can guess what you are hinting at.   HA gets a little more competition, huh?

Are there more SJC flights on the horizon (excuse the pun) like reinstatement of AUS and maybe ORD and BOS? (that latter two picking up for recently discontinued routes by UA and B6).
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:56 pm

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 32):
Thanks! I'm sure there will be another AS HNL thread say, oh sometime next week. Hint Hint.
Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 33):
Hi Tom, oh really? I'll bet I can guess what you are hinting at. HA gets a little more competition, huh?
Are there more SJC flights on the horizon (excuse the pun) like reinstatement of AUS and maybe ORD and BOS? (that latter two picking up for recently discontinued routes by UA and B6).

I for one am certainly interpreting Reply #32 as more "Chester-with-the-lei" flying to be announced soon... and I know which west coast city I'd like to see that new flying to be from!   

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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:12 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 4):
Tell your wife we're hiring! Looking at 200+ new Flight Attendants for 2012 and they love to hire people with a little 'seasoning'.

Will AS take a 50 lawyer as a flight attendant? I can provide legal advice while serving peanuts as an added onboard service to passengers!

Quoting ER757 (Reply 18):
I have to voice a dissenting opinion here. I prefer the twin-aisle HA aircraft

I have to agree. To me its just sacreligous flying anything other than a widebody to Hawaii. It's part of the lore of Hawaiian vacations (at least for me). Also, HA has wonderful service. A free meal - not much but still - but I don't recall free drinks.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 19):
For me, Alaska's loyalty program is a bit more practical to me.

If I flew AS regularly, this would play a factor in my decision - but I don't fly them often.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:35 pm

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 35):
Will AS take a 50 lawyer as a flight attendant? I can provide legal advice while serving peanuts as an added onboard service to passengers!


They've hired ex-lawyers, doctors, dentists, pilots and homemakers. We don't serve peanuts anymore due to food allergy concerns so you won't have an edge-up on representing anyone in a lawsuit. But you WILL learn how to use an Epi-pen to save their life!  
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:59 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 34):
I for one am certainly interpreting Reply #32 as more "Chester-with-the-lei" flying to be announced soon... and I know which west coast city I'd like to see that new flying to be from!

You already have new HNL service. Maybe we'll see SAN-KOA and SAN-LIH. ANA will start SAN-NRT with the 787 while we're at it. (Joking aside, none of these are probably out of the realm of possibility.)

But yeah, I'll be interested in seeing what comes out of Tom's hint. It's yet to be seen if two carriers can co-exist on SJC-OGG, so we'll see if they could co-exist on another new free Mai-Tai route out of SJC.

As I've said before, I see these as ripe for AS's pickings:

PDX-LIH
BLI-OGG
SJC-HNL
OAK-HNL
SMF-KOA
SAN-KOA
SAN-LIH

Maybe something more radical like a less than daily GEG-EUG-HNL or RNO-FAT-HNL. I could see these working as maybe a weekend only seasonal service, if they could figure out suitable equipment routing.

While I think AS would do very well on SNA-Hawaii, we've already talked about how that's not likely to be economically feasible due to their lack of suitable equipment that is already ETOPS capable. It also appears that AS is not interested in LGB-Hawaii, as evidenced by that fact that they didn't even apply for LGB mainline slots this go-around.

Much as I'd like to see it, it doesn't sound like SEA-ITO would work or is on AS's radar screen. I liked ITO as a destination way more than KOA. Then again, FLG is a really cool place too but that doesn't necessarily translate to profitable service.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:51 pm

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 32):
Thanks! I'm sure there will be another AS HNL thread say, oh sometime next week. Hint Hint.

AS has to put their new airplanes somewhere. Any chance that AS will include 739-ER's on any of the Hawaiian flights?

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 37):
It's yet to be seen if two carriers can co-exist on SJC-OGG, so we'll see if they could co-exist on another new free Mai-Tai route out of SJC.

AS and HA will be competing out of OAK in the not-too-distant future since HA decided to convert their service from seasonal to year-round. I hope the OAK-OGG and SJC-OGG markets will be large enough to handle both.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 8:55 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 38):
I hope the OAK-OGG and SJC-OGG markets will be large enough to handle both.

SJC-OGG is another of very many examples where AA cuts a route, but then someone else flies it and it does great for them. No wonder why AA is in such a world of hurt.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:17 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 39):
SJC-OGG is another of very many examples where AA cuts a route, but then someone else flies it and it does great for them. No wonder why AA is in such a world of hurt.

I don't doubt you that AA has made some awful choices, but it has given other carriers new opportunities at AA's expense.

By the way, it appears that AS is dropping the short SJC-SMF route next year (came from another thread). Can you verify that?
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 9:30 pm

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 39):
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 38):
I hope the OAK-OGG and SJC-OGG markets will be large enough to handle both.

SJC-OGG is another of very many examples where AA cuts a route, but then someone else flies it and it does great for them. No wonder why AA is in such a world of hurt.

Not necessarily correct. AA probably determined that the aircraft that was operating that route could be used more profitably on another route with a traffic mix that better matches AA's higher cost structure than a route like SJC-OGG with virtually no high-yield business traffic.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:32 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 38):
AS has to put their new airplanes somewhere. Any chance that AS will include 739-ER's on any of the Hawaiian flights?

Latest I heard, they are going to be configured for, but not ETOPS equipped. Who know's what will happen by the time they begin deliveries. What they will do is free up some ETOPS aircraft that are currently being used on non ETOPS routes.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:41 pm

Heard this week that the -900ER will NOT be ETOPS. Not to say they couldn't be certified as such someday. The plan is to use them to increase capacity on transcon routes that don't quite warrent two flights daily plus putting them on dense routes such as SEA-LAS and SEA-ANC. The extra capacity of the -900 will allow for a comperable number of seats with less flights or allow for growth with the same number of flights.

It's funny how the original NG's ordered were -900's then they got all high on the -800....now we're back to the -900(ER) again.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 10:49 pm

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 43):
It's funny how the original NG's ordered were -900's then they got all high on the -800....now we're back to the -900(ER) again.

Is Alaska's plan to keep the older, original -900's when the -900ER's come online in earnest?

The -900ER's will definitely add even more opportunity to expand HI with either connecting the dots or multiple daily flights.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:15 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 38):
Any chance that AS will include 739-ER's on any of the Hawaiian flights?

Unless AS is getting their 739ERs with the extra fuel tanks, it would run into the same weight restriction problems CO had when they tried using their 739ERs on LAX-HNL.
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:36 am

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 44):
Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 43):
It's funny how the original NG's ordered were -900's then they got all high on the -800....now we're back to the -900(ER) again.

Is Alaska's plan to keep the older, original -900's when the -900ER's come online in earnest?

Yes, they'll remain in the fleet.
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:25 pm

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 19):
Some things you can't do on HA is pre-reserve your seats online

That's news to me. I arrange my neighbor's HA travel itineraries all the time when they fly HA from HNL to LAS and I have always been able to pre-reserve their seat assignments. I have no clue why you would say this. It's not true. You most certainly can pre-reserve seat assignments on HA flights.

Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 19):
Does HA serve free tropical cocktails?

No. Studies have shown that not everyone consumes alcohol but these same studies have also shown that everyone consumes free food. HA has opted to serve free food instead of free alcohol.  


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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:08 pm

Quoting HALFA (Reply 47):
No. Studies have shown that not everyone consumes alcohol but these same studies have also shown that everyone consumes free food. HA has opted to serve free food instead of free alcohol.

I'm sure there's an extra cost to this but I think it's nice that someone still offers free food in coach. I'm curious...what exactly IS this free food HA serves?
 
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RE: Alaska Flights To HNL Are They Full?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 5:05 pm

Quoting HALFA (Reply 47):
That's news to me. I arrange my neighbor's HA travel itineraries all the time when they fly HA from HNL to LAS and I have always been able to pre-reserve their seat assignments. I have no clue why you would say this. It's not true. You most certainly can pre-reserve seat assignments on HA flights.

Aloha, HALFA! I'm glad HA allows for pre-reserved seating online now. The last time I tried booking (and maybe it's with vacation packages), I was not able to pre-reserve my seat selection. I had to talk with an agent. Keep in mind, that was a few years ago.

AS is the same way right now. When you book a vacation package, you're given a confirmation number for the vacation package, which is totally different than the Sabre confirmation number typical with the flight segment. When you do this, you cannot change or update your seating online...you have to talk with an agent (unless that's changed too).

I also found that if you book stuff well in advanced (to Hawaii) or during a sale, it can be cheaper to book the hotel and flight separately.

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