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SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:51 am

Hi !

SAS had economy class on some its 747s but which specific aircraft had it ? Did all of them have it towards the end ? I flew on a SAS 747 in July 1986 and sat on the upper deck in economy class.

Thanks for any info!

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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:07 am

During the summer of 1984 I crossed the Atlantic twice aboard the Dan Viking,
N4501Q and the upper deck was economy class seating.

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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:15 am

Quoting Yukon880 (Reply 1):

During the summer of 1984 I crossed the Atlantic twice aboard the Dan Viking,
N4501Q and the upper deck was economy class seating.

Thank You

I also flew on a SK 747 in Jun 1982 but not sure which one. Probably either SE-DFZ or N4501Q. My parents have a slide of it in Stockholm and I'll try to look at it when I get there to see what engines there are to determine which one it was.

Still hoping for more replies regarding when Y was installed on the upper deck and on which aircraft.

Thaniks

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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:53 am

Can't say that it's too rare for economy on the upper deck. Air Pacific and Air France have some 747s like this. I know I've even seen some airlines that have the front half of the upper deck as business and the back half as economy. Can't remember which airline though I recall seeing it on seatguru not too long ago.
 
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:08 am

Quoting Concordski (Reply 3):
I know I've even seen some airlines that have the front half of the upper deck as business and the back half as economy.

It's Air New Zealand...later change to premium economy

Ansett Australia's B743s and B744s both had economy class in the upper deck.

Eva Air's B744 still has it too.

Japan Airlines and ANA used to have it on the B744D. (D - domestic/short haul flight)

[Edited 2011-10-30 00:14:49]
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:09 am

Quoting Concordski (Reply 3):
I know I've even seen some airlines that have the front half of the upper deck as business and the back half as economy. Can't remember which airline though I recall seeing it on seatguru not too long ago.

NZ has the front half as J and the back half as premium economy.
 
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:21 am

Quoting Concordski (Reply 3):
Can't say that it's too rare for economy on the upper deck. Air Pacific and Air France have some 747s like this.

so did SAA
 
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:29 pm

Did BA not also at one point?
 
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:26 pm

Qantas had it on some 747-200 configurations
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 2:12 pm

Quoting BY738 (Reply 7):
Did BA not also at one point?

Yes. They had those convertible seats. They could be 3x3 economy class or 2x2 SuperClub (or was it Elizabethan at that time?)
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:42 pm

I've been on AF's economy seat on the upper deck and it's really not very comfortable. The curvature of the fuselage ensures the seats are further way from the Window and that makes it harder to sleep. The cabin itself also feels very small. The only advantage is a nice view of the wing/powerplants from up there.
 
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:52 pm

BA had some 747s with economy on the upper deck too...in the late 80s I flew HKG-LHR and we sat in economy on the upper deck.
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:36 pm

AC too had Y on the upper deck of several of their B747s.

The B747-100s had 16Y with only one exit, then 25Y with two exits. The B747-200, which always had two exits, had 25Y in the upper deck. When the B747-400 was initially delivered, the upper deck was all Y, with F, J and Y on the main deck as well.
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 4:43 pm

EVA Air has economy on the top deck. Still has. Flew them last year from LAX til TPE. Had a row of 3 seats to myself. As I am really tall I could extend my feet and rest them on the little windows compartment. It was awesome.
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:58 pm

Quoting darkroast (Reply 10):
I've been on AF's economy seat on the upper deck and it's really not very comfortable. The curvature of the fuselage ensures the seats are further way from the Window and that makes it harder to sleep. The cabin itself also feels very small. The only advantage is a nice view of the wing/powerplants from up there.

I disagree. The upper deck on AF 744s is the best Y class product I've encountered. The upper deck seats also have 34 inch seat pitch, 3 inches more than on the main deck so it's very comfortable and much more private without a lot of traffic in the aisle. With two dedicated flight attendants serving those passengers, service is also very good. Until AF began installing PTVs on the main deck, the upper deck was also the only Y class cabin on AF 744s with PTVs. It's generally restricted to elite level frequent flyer members now.
 
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:24 am

I guess being upstairs on the 747, it would have that (narrow) "tube" feeling. So maybe that's why certain airlines didn't want their C class upstairs.

Come to think of it, when you're cruising up there at 30,000 feet, what difference is there to being upstairs versus downstairs?
 
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:22 am

Quoting The777Man (Thread starter):

SAS had economy class on some its 747s but which specific aircraft had it ? Did all of them have it towards the end ? I flew on a SAS 747 in July 1986 and sat on the upper deck in economy class.



According to a 1981 company time table, OY-KHA and SE-DDL during that time had 12 Eco seats on the upper deck's starboard side (seats HJK) and a mini lounge on the port side with 7 seats (four facing each other 2X2 and three more perpendicular. The above two Jumbos were the first two 100s.

LN-RNA, SE-DFZ, N4501Q and N4502R had 32 Y on top. These newer 200s were combi with adjustable 6 or 12 pallet versions.

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 15):
Come to think of it, when you're cruising up there at 30,000 feet, what difference is there to being upstairs versus downstairs?



It's a little bit more private being in the Penthouse versus the main deck!
 
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Mon Oct 31, 2011 4:32 am

Quoting FlyboyOz (Reply 4):
Ansett Australia's B743s and B744s both had economy class in the upper deck.
AN 744's (owned by SQ) became FJ 744's not long after SEP11 & still have 69 Y class upstairs.

https://content.engage.co.nz/Organizations/AirPacific/sm_Assets/AP%20-%20Site_Files/Boeing747-400%28x2%29.pdf

On NAN/LAX sector (approx 10 hours at night) they offer, exclusive use of 3 seats upstairs as an upgrade for only only FJD$600 or about AUD$320-a poor mans business class.

[Edited 2011-10-30 21:34:00]
 
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Mon Oct 31, 2011 5:20 am

Quoting madviking (Reply 16):
LN-RNA, SE-DFZ, N4501Q and N4502R had 32 Y on top. These newer 200s were combi with adjustable 6 or 12 pallet versions.

Thanks for the info! Howver I don't think N4502R was a combi. I think SK only had two combis; LN-RNA and N4501Q.

Thanks

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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:35 am

Quoting The777Man (Reply 18):
Thanks for the info! Howver I don't think N4502R was a combi. I think SK only had two combis; LN-RNA and N4501Q.

AFAIK SAS received three 747-283B combi's,

L/N 311, MSN 21381, 747-283B(M), basic number R1544, variable number RD591, SAS reg. LN-RNA
L/N 358, MSN 21575, 747-283B(M), basic number R1561, variable number RD592, SAS reg. SE-DFZ
L/N 500, MSN 22381, 747-283B(M), basic number R1582, variable number RD593, SAS reg. N4501Q

And 3 full pax 747-283B aircraft :

L/N 114, MSN 20120, 747-283B, basic number R1004, variable number RA701, SAS reg. SE-DDL
L/N 167, MSN 20121, 747-283B, basic number R1030, variable number RA702, SAS reg. OY-KHA
L/N 540, MSN 22496, 747-283B, basic number R1170, variable number RE001, SAS reg. N4502R

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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Mon Oct 31, 2011 3:41 pm

Quoting BY738 (Reply 7):
Did BA not also at one point?

My recollection is that when I flew M (World Traveller Economy) Class LHR-JFK on BA 741 G-AWNF in March 1990 I was seated on the upper deck.

I also have a BA Summer 1993 Timetable. It states that there were then 26 744 aircraft in the BA fleet (which would have been G-BNLA to 'LZ and G-CIVA) all of which were configured with 57 M (Economy) Class seats on the upper deck. The cabin configuration of these aircraft was F18 / J74 / M285 for a total of 377 passenger seats.

The same timetable says that some - it neither identifies which or how many - of the BA 741s had 20 J Class upper deck seats but that others had 30 M Class seats up the stairs. Similarly some of their 742s were confifured with 18 J Class upper deck seats while other 742s had 27 upper deck M Class seats. (The difference between the configuration of the M Class upper decks of the 741s and 742s was the result of additional storeage facilities replacing the three seats in Row 56 - the front row on the upper deck - on the left side of the 742s.) At that time (March 1993) BA operated 15 741s and 17 742s.
 
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Mon Oct 31, 2011 7:12 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 20):
My recollection is that when I flew M (World Traveller Economy) Class LHR-JFK on BA 741 G-AWNF in March 1990 I was seated on the upper deck.

I also have a BA Summer 1993 Timetable. It states that there were then 26 744 aircraft in the BA fleet (which would have been G-BNLA to 'LZ and G-CIVA) all of which were configured with 57 M (Economy) Class seats on the upper deck. The cabin configuration of these aircraft was F18 / J74 / M285 for a total of 377 passenger seats.

The same timetable says that some - it neither identifies which or how many - of the BA 741s had 20 J Class upper deck seats but that others had 30 M Class seats up the stairs. Similarly some of their 742s were confifured with 18 J Class upper deck seats while other 742s had 27 upper deck M Class seats. (The difference between the configuration of the M Class upper decks of the 741s and 742s was the result of additional storeage facilities replacing the three seats in Row 56 - the front row on the upper deck - on the left side of the 742s.) At that time (March 1993) BA operated 15 741s and 17 742s.

BA swapped these layouts around when they launched the Club World Cradle seats in 1995/1996. The 744s moved Club Upstairs and World Traveller all on main deck, while the Classics had all their Club on the main deck and additional World Traveller upstairs. Additionally, there were a few two class 742s which also had World Traveller upstairs I think.

Virgin also has 33 economy seats upstairs on the LHR configured 747-400s, which means if your sat in them you get off before the Upper Class passengers in the rows in front!
 
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:21 pm

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 21):
Additionally, there were a few two class 742s which also had World Traveller upstairs I think.

I thought all the BA's 742s were configured with three classes both before and after the installation of the Club World bucket seats.

After the installation of the bucket seats I think that the standard BA 742 configuration was for up to 370 or 373 passengers (F18 / J70 / M282 or M285), but that four (?) aircraft (G-BDXD, 'XE, 'XF and 'XG?) had Economy seats on the upper deck and were configured for up to 425 passengers (F18 / J37 / M370).

I also believe that there was a single BA 742 (G-BDXI?) at that time configured for only 344 passengers (F18 / J88 / M256) while all their 744s only had 55 J Class bucket seats. Can anyone confirm this and whether it was primarily dedicated to a specific route (LHR-JFK?).
 
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:31 pm

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 15):
I guess being upstairs on the 747, it would have that (narrow) "tube" feeling. So maybe that's why certain airlines didn't want their C class upstairs.

Not at all. I prefer Upper Deck if im flying in J class. Its the only way to fly. It feels like your on a private jet, with only a few other people around you. You forget there is 200 odd people in the cabin below you unless you pop down the stairs for a wonder or to get stuff from the Club World Kitchen.
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:57 pm

I flew a Swiss Air 743 that had 69 Y seats on the upper deck.
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:59 pm

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 21):
Virgin also has 33 economy seats upstairs on the LHR configured 747-400s, which means if your sat in them you get off before the Upper Class passengers in the rows in front!

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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:13 am

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 24):
I flew a Swiss Air 743 that had 69 Y seats on the upper deck.

When Swissair introduced business class (which didn't exist when the 743s first went into service) the upper deck became business class.
 
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:48 am

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 21):
Virgin also has 33 economy seats upstairs on the LHR configured 747-400s, which means if your sat in them you get off before the Upper Class passengers in the rows in front!

So Economy Class is on the Upper Deck, but Upper Class is on the Lower Deck? In that case, Who's on FIrst? - nevermind - Who's on Second....
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:05 am

Hi

I flew LHR-BOS on a BA 747-100 or maybe 200 in 1993. I was travelling in economy and seated on the upper deck. The configuration was 3-3 but the middle seat could be divided to make the configuration 2-2 for Club class. At the time there were no PTV for economy class passengers and movies were projected onto a screen. (On the upper deck the screen was a pull down type bit like a roller blind). Well the projector stopped working and the crew switched on the PTV that had been installed for when the upper deck was in club class configuration. Of course there were only two PTV in each row so the passenger in the middle seat couldn't watch the movie.

I also flew BA LAX-LHR I think in 1994 on a 747-200 with economy on the upper deck but it was a pure economy configuration.

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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:05 am

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 23):
Not at all. I prefer Upper Deck if im flying in J class. Its the only way to fly. It feels like your on a private jet, with only a few other people around you.

But why would you want to be alone like that? The joy of flying - and traveling in general - is to see (if not interact, then at least watch) other people.

So whatever you do airlines, don't put me in the attic upstairs or in some sort of cube or anything like that. Give me a comfortable seat where I can eat well, drink well, and watch other people.

  
 
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RE: SAS 747s- Economy Class On Upper Deck?

Thu Nov 03, 2011 4:09 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 23):
I prefer Upper Deck if im flying in J class. Its the only way to fly. It feels like your on a private jet, with only a few other people around you. You forget there is 200 odd people in the cabin below you unless you pop down the stairs for a wonder or to get stuff from the Club World Kitchen.

Totally agree. To me, 64K in Club World is the best seat in the sky!

Quoting MarcoPoloWorld (Reply 29):
But why would you want to be alone like that? The joy of flying - and traveling in general - is to see (if not interact, then at least watch) other people.

Plenty of time for that at the airport and at my destination. Once I'm on the plane, I'm happy to read, sleep, etc. in privacy.

Quoting CitationJet (Reply 24):
I flew a Swiss Air 743 that had 69 Y seats on the upper deck.

Me too--JFK-ZRH in 1988. I hadn't been on many 747s before, and it was the first time I ever got to sit upstairs--I remember being very excited!
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