zanl188
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Asiana Jeju Crash - Cockpit Found

Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:48 pm

Cockpit and crew located. Presumably recorders will be located shortly...

http://avherald.com/h?article=44062b99&opt=0

Previous thread:

Asiana Cargo 747 Crashed Off Jeju Island (by gyojoo Jul 27 2011 in Civil Aviation)

additional info:

http://english.yonhapnews.co.kr/nati...02000000AEN20111030001700315F.HTML

[Edited 2011-10-30 11:56:28]
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traindoc
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RE: Asiana Jeju Crash - Cockpit Found

Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:33 pm

There is speculation that the crash was intentional, as the pilot was heavily in debt and had taken out multiple life insurance policies within weeks of the crash. I can't remember the source, but it was today (10/30) on the one of the online news services.
 
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RE: Asiana Jeju Crash - Cockpit Found

Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:07 pm

Quoting traindoc (Reply 1):

Here's a link to the Korea Times article discussing this possibility:

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/10/113_97635.html

I'm going to wait until the FDR/CVR are recovered until I make any comment on this.
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RE: Asiana Jeju Crash - Cockpit Found

Mon Oct 31, 2011 12:21 am

Maybe it's a translation problem but a few things strike me about the above linked article..

Quote:
They said it made no sense for the pilot who earned 200 million won a year

That's nearly €130 000 or US$ 180 000. That is a healthy salary. And a ridiculous currency.

Quote:
to engage in an insurance scam by taking his life and destroying the airplane full of highly valuable cargo.

This sounds extremely callous to me, like ''If you want to kill yourself fine, but please make it cheap.'' But maybe Korean culture is similar to Japanese, where suicide seems socially accepted for those who have brought shame upon their name. Taking a plane down with you would just make the shame bigger instead of cleansing you of your failure. Still peculiar to my European ear they mention the aircraft, but not the life of the other pilot.

In any way.. I don't envy the salvage team in any way. What a gruesome sight that must have been. Hopefully the blackbox can deliver conclusive evidence as to what caused the crash and help prevent future accidents. At least in that way they died for something more meaningful than financial debt or defunct cargo.
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RE: Asiana Jeju Crash - Cockpit Found

Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:52 am

Quoting something (Reply 3):
Taking a plane down with you would just make the shame bigger instead of cleansing you of your failure.

Agreed, but if there's any truth in the speculation he took his own life so his beneficiaries could claim from insurance policies, these would invariably not pay out in the event of suicide. On the other hand, if it's declared an accident then the insurance would most likely pay up.

I'm guessing if it was intentional, this was probably his thinking .... not that it makes it any more excusable!
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RE: Asiana Jeju Crash - Cockpit Found

Mon Oct 31, 2011 8:13 am

Quoting something (Reply 3):
This sounds extremely callous to me, like ''If you want to kill yourself fine, but please make it cheap.'' But maybe Korean culture is similar to Japanese, where suicide seems socially accepted for those who have brought shame upon their name. Taking a plane down with you would just make the shame bigger instead of cleansing you of your failure. Still peculiar to my European ear they mention the aircraft, but not the life of the other pilot.

In any way.. I don't envy the salvage team in any way. What a gruesome sight that must have been. Hopefully the blackbox can deliver conclusive evidence as to what caused the crash and help prevent future accidents. At least in that way they died for something more meaningful than financial debt or defunct cargo.

Remind us back to 1996 where Silkair flight 185 crashed with over 100 passengers and crew on board and that act was done intentionally on a brand new B737-300 as the pilot was heavily indebted too due to the share prices that fell quickly.
 
traindoc
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RE: Asiana Jeju Crash - Cockpit Found

Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:04 am

After reading the Avherald report, an intentional crash seems highly unlikely!

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