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SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:51 am

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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:10 am

Well, the name was rumoured a few weeks back, to less than complete enthusiasm here; looking forward to the route network. Can't find anything on SIA site or in other news bulletins.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:33 am

Some more info here.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...a/2011/11/01/gIQAza79aM_story.html

"Scoot Chief Executive Campbell Wilson told reporters Tuesday that the carrier initially plans to fly to four or more cities in Australia and China."

"Wilson said the company plans to fly four Boeing 777-200 planes next year and have a fleet of 14 aircraft by 2016.
Wilson said Scoot will charge 40 percent less for tickets than full-service carriers."

Im curious if it will be possible to earn Krisflyer Miles on Scoot?
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:39 am

This is how the scoot ambassador looks like...


and what's more..... is their livery!
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/302647_234411386618397_195291693863700_637337_2143740480_n.jpg
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:43 am

That's what I was looking for; I like it; I mean, obviously it's not SIA, but it's what a low cost carrier should be - in your face, noticeable (well, you're not going to miss that!) and vibrant. Well done, SQ.

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 2):
Im curious if it will be possible to earn Krisflyer Miles on Scoot?

I suspect that on the lower fares, it won't be, but SQ will want to ensure that new markets to be served by Scoot will be able to tap into the airline's hub at SIN, therefore I expect that there will be a certain fare level where one can accrue points/mileage.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:07 am

What a shocking name for an airline, reminds me of a dog scooting along the floor on its bottom.

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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:08 am

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 2):
Im curious if it will be possible to earn Krisflyer Miles on Scoot?

You don't on some of the lower SQ fare brackets, so I doubt it very much... If they have a premium cabin of sorts then you might earn points in there, but not on the 40% cheaper fares...
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:09 am

 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:23 am

Quoting flythere (Reply 3):

Wow I thought you were joking...


How many LCC spinoffs from larger airlines worked? Every American seems to have tried one and failed, wonder how this will fare...
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:31 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 8):
How many LCC spinoffs from larger airlines worked? Every American seems to have tried one and failed, wonder how this will fare...

Only JQ has really been a success of the Legacy carriers LCC brands.

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 8):
Wow I thought you were joking...

If only they were  

Overall, the name might grow on people, but at this stage, its just plain odd.

Now the race is on to be one of those first destinations in China and Australia. Wonder where they will head to. I would suspect that CNS may well be one of them, but its an open field for the others.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:53 am

Lord God, it's hideous!

There comes a point when being "fresh, new and original" is no longer fresh, new or original.

It looks like any one of a dozen other LCC's out there, and the website, well, ditto.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:58 am

Does anyone know if they are going to retain SQ's current 777-200 configuration (3-3-3 in Y, 2-2-2 in J) or will they put 10-across in economy?
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:05 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 4):
That's what I was looking for; I like it; I mean, obviously it's not SIA, but it's what a low cost carrier should be - in your face, noticeable (well, you're not going to miss that!) and vibrant. Well done, SQ.
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 10):
Lord God, it's hideous!

I guess this is the exact kind of reactions they were expecting with the new brand - it's polarizing. You either love it or hate it. And while you might not get a bed of roses at the brand launch, you will have lots of people talking about it! And that's what you need when you launch a new airline. So, mission accomplished, from a PR perspective.

Here's the new airline logo:
The new logo for Scoot
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:06 am

On their website, they mention 2 destinations, Australia and China.

With Australia, I'm not sure Scoot and SIA would want to compete on the routes, so I fear that SQ might leave some routes to Australia as time passes by. This would be awful, especially if I lost my beloved SQ on the PER-SIN route.

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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:27 am

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 9):
Only JQ has really been a success of the Legacy carriers LCC brands.

Oh god, now its only inevtiable for the QF is giving money to JQ conspiracy to show up again  

On a serious note, I assume we will see cities not already served by SQ (initially anyway, maybe later we might see some overlap)... So I am thinking OOL? CNS?
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:43 am

On the contrary, I think it is more likely you would see them on destinations such as SYD, BNE, PER, MEL. Why ? well it would allow SQ to drop say one flight a day from those destinations, but redirect people looking for cheaper fares to Scoot, this allowing the marginally profitable fares to be better yielding on the lower cost based airline.
Frequency is maintained, lower yielding fares can be eliminated from the SQ flights, while Scoot carries those same passengers at a better yield. SYD could be if launched today, 2 x 380's, 1 x 773 and 1 772 of Scoot, same frequency as present, even same aircraft types as present, but most likely a better yield overall.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:55 am

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 8):
Quoting flythere (Reply 3):

Wow I thought you were joking...

When I scrolled down and saw the guy, those were my thoughts exactly. Ridiculous airline - ridiculous employees.

But Asians seem to love loud colors and poppy advertizements. The two things that strike me about this project is that a.) they use widebodies, which for some reason gives the illusion of it being a vast enterprise, and b.) they have the strong SQ brand behind them which gives credence to the former impression.

Imagine just how much differently you would look at this airline if this was a tiny Cambodian start up airline with a fleet comprising a bunch of old props only - even if everything else about the website remained the same. It is really pathetic how the human mind works ''Big airplane, many other people will be there, what many people do, must somehow be right''.

It's not to my taste and I would always prefer a Bangkok Airways over a Thai Air Asia (''classy vs loud''), but I have no doubt in my mind this venture is going to proof a success. I hope Skymark Japan will take note and get the most out of their new A380s because no matter how tacky I think the ''Scoot'' website is, it's still a trillion times more user friendly and appealing than anything the Japanese airlines have currently on offer.

Good luck to them!

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 15):
well it would allow SQ to drop say one flight a day from those destinations, but redirect people looking for cheaper fares to Scoot, this allowing the marginally profitable fares to be better yielding on the lower cost based airline.
Frequency is maintained, lower yielding fares can be eliminated from the SQ flights, while Scoot carries those same passengers at a better yield.

I don't think SYD flights will be in the cards - at least not in the beginning. It's too long of a flight and most Australian bound passengers of SQ are transits anyway. It would seem likely to me, that in the beginning they will be deploying these birds to places that generate a lot of ''O&D'' demand for Singapore, like Hong Kong, Bangkok, Tokyo.

On long haul flights fuel will become the highest cost item of the ticket price, feed will become more important and people will be less willing to forgo onboard service. All of these factors give low cost a much slighter edge over legacies than they got on short haul flying.

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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:19 am

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 11):
Does anyone know if they are going to retain SQ's current 777-200 configuration (3-3-3 in Y, 2-2-2 in J) or will they put 10-across in economy?

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Otherwise the in flight product might not be too bad - if you cough up the cash.
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:22 am

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 15):
well it would allow SQ to drop say one flight a day from those destinations, but redirect people looking for cheaper fares to Scoot, this allowing the marginally profitable fares to be better yielding on the lower cost based airline.

But why on earth would SQ want to do that? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.. SQ is bound to make more from sending their own plane with F, J and Y over a fully laden LCC Y cabin.

They need to be able to sort out connections with MI and SQ - something I believe would help them.


But one thing I don't understand is the fact that SQ is getting rid of their 773s - surely they could be utilised in this new airline in some way?

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 14):
So I am thinking OOL? CNS?

Let's add to this eccentric list - HBA and CBR  
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:23 am

I find Scoot and Tiger branding substandard, its like these schemes have been created in haste for the heck of it without much thought.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:33 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 18):
But one thing I don't understand is the fact that SQ is getting rid of their 773s - surely they could be utilised in this new airline in some way?

Probably because the 773s have limited range whereas the 772s can all be operated as ERs with a simple software change. I don't think the 773s can make it to Europe without needing a stop along the way whereas the 772s can. This offers a lot of flexibility in opening new routes.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:37 am

Quoting something (Reply 16):
I don't think SYD flights will be in the cards - at least not in the beginning. It's too long of a flight and most Australian bound passengers of SQ are transits anyway. It would seem likely to me, that in the beginning they will be deploying these birds to places that generate a lot of ''O&D'' demand for Singapore, like Hong Kong, Bangkok, Tokyo.

They have specifically said on their own website aswell as numerous newspaper articles i have read that the first routes will be China and Australasia, so Bangkok & Tokyo definitely won't be opening routes, and Bangkok is likely to never be as they have said they will be focussing on medium to long haul routes of between 5 - 10 hours.

Also note the "Australasia" that has been in the newspaper articles, maybe we will see a New Zealand route?
But like others above Im guessing CNS and OOL are very possible routes.
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:45 am

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 20):
Probably because the 773s have limited range whereas the 772s can all be operated as ERs with a simple software change. I don't think the 773s can make it to Europe without needing a stop along the way whereas the 772s can. This offers a lot of flexibility in opening new routes.

They don't have to send them as far away as Europe though.. And some Australian ports are well within the reaches of the 773 - heck even SQ sent the 773 (non-ER) nonstop to AKL! I realise that these have the potential to be much heavier but it sounds like it could still reach the East Coast of Australia, chop fares a bit more and enjoy success. And it's not like the certification costs etc would be too much higher as so much is similar between the 772 and 773.

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 21):
maybe we will see a New Zealand route?

I can see SQ swapping their plane for a Scoot to operate SIN-CHC.. But I really can't see SQ allowing them to operate AKL-SIN.
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:45 am

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 21):
Also note the "Australasia" that has been in the newspaper articles, maybe we will see a New Zealand route?

Hmm... I would think the only 2 destinations that would be profitable would be CHC and AKL, and both are already served by SQ (I think?) so, unless they take the approach of replacing SQ flights as mentioned before, it would seem unlikely that NZ would be served, initially anyway.

  
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:10 am

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 21):
they will be focussing on medium to long haul routes of between 5 - 10 hours.

Can the 773 (non-ER) do 10-hour routes? For a start-up, no-frills airline (even if they have the SQ behemouth behind them), selecting a single type that meets all their requirements makes sense. While Australasia and China are the early routes, I'm sure they'll be looking at routes to Europe that are too low-yielding for the parent carrier ... and that's where the 772ER will outperform the 773.

I also suspect that JNB might be a route that Scoot will take over from SQ (but may be wrong) ... and the rest of Africa is ripe for the picking if they play their cards right.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:52 am

Terrible name and logo .. it looks like a lemon! Now let's see what the Qantas Group come up with for RedQ.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:10 am

I agree with Jupiter2 and i believe that the SQ 255/256 out of BNE is a marginal service as it connects with India and not much else.Whispers around the ITB at BNE for past week or 2 about Scoot operating here, so someone must have been aware of something.Also another reason BNE and PER have just lost Royal Brunei which offered 1,600 seats a week out of BNE mainly as low cost to Asia and Europe, so Scoot could easily fill this gap at least to Asia in the short term and Europe later on.
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:13 am

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 24):
Can the 773 (non-ER) do 10-hour routes?

Yes SQ has previously used the 777-300 (non-ER) on flights to Auckland and Johannesburg (10 to 10.5 hours) as well as Istanbul which is over 11 hours from Singapore.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:18 am

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 13):
With Australia, I'm not sure Scoot and SIA would want to compete on the routes, so I fear that SQ might leave some routes to Australia as time passes by. This would be awful, especially if I lost my beloved SQ on the PER-SIN route.

I don't think Scoot is aimed at SQ's market, more Air Asia or Tiger Airways' market. And having a 777 on the PER-SIN sector, even at 10-abreast, is infinitely better than flying on an A320. I think what's more likely to happen is to have Scoot operating alongside SQ on some sectors, as opposed to replacing SQ frequencies.

Quoting VHHYI (Reply 17):
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Otherwise the in flight product might not be too bad - if you cough up the cash.

Ouch. I've never been on a 10-across 777, though, so I can't really judge for myself how good (or not) it is. Normally, I make it a point not to fly LCCs, but I'd be willing to give Scoot a try just because they fly 777s  
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:28 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 22):
I can see SQ swapping their plane for a Scoot to operate SIN-CHC..

I sincerely hope not! In fact I think that very unlikely, far too much connecting traffic I would have thought. Not sure they would want to start in competition with Air Asia X either.
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:41 am

Quoting EDICHC (Reply 29):
far too much connecting traffic I would have thought

There's nothing to say that they can't connect with other flights though - take a look at JQ and QF. But without having information on yields, I wouldn't know for sure. Either way, if I lived in CHC (or anywhere in that vicinity), I'd be more inclined to travel to AKL and fly out on their 77Ws which have far nicer interiors/IFE etc than the 772s which operate to CHC and on the 2nd AKL flight.

Ruling out CHC, however, I suppose AKL is the only other viable destination - and they do seem likely to come to NZ. The introduction of Scoot to AKL would probably end the rumour of an A380 being sent down on SQ285/286.
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:44 am

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 23):
Hmm... I would think the only 2 destinations that would be profitable would be CHC and AKL,

In fact they are the only commercial airports with runways suitable for any widebody longhaul operations.

I don't know if having the destinations as "Australasia" and China makes a lot of sense: AirAsiaX (basically the inventor of this model) is thriving (purportedly) on connecting low cost passengers from Australia and New Zealand onto it's London (Stansted - now Gatwick) and Paris services. They offer too connections on AirAsia within Asia, which I suppose Scoot will do with Tiger, but they don't have the advantage of the shared brand and website. If they are going to put people on SQ flights to Europe, I hardly see the point. They will certainly never take pax off AirAsiaX like that. The price point advantage just won't be there. All they will do is cannibalise their own existing operations.

I think we can see this as an experiment by SQ at this time: they're giving 4 77Es a try at running some low-cost routes. If it works, I guess it will be expanded, but if it doesn't, they can wind it up without having risked too much.
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:05 am

At first glance, the name "Scoot" doesn't seem that appealing for us a.netters.

However, that isn't the most important thing. The name is quite unique, there is nothing quite like it. The thing is passengers will firstly go by price. When they have their first flight they will remember the name Scoot, and if it is a relatively good flight for the price, they will come back.

If SIA had chosen the name "Jet(something)" or "(something)Jet" like so many other LCC's they run the chance of passengers thinking of it as another Jetstar or another Easyjet, and customers will not be as inclined to go back, as the brand is generic LCC.

Scoot, along with other brands, like Peach, are memorable names because they are different. And coupled with a relatively outrageous livery, they will definitely be remembered (I believe some of success for Easyjet is the colour orange).

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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:18 am

Quoting joelyboy911 (Reply 31):

In fact they are the only commercial airports with runways suitable for any widebody longhaul operations.

Hamilton will soon have a runway long enough. Though whether they'd want to fly there is another question altogether.
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:40 am

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 30):
I'd be more inclined to travel to AKL

No offence meant but SIN is a far better place to connect than AKL. I travel most freqently on the following routes..

CHC-SIN-MNL and CHC-SIN-FRA-EDI

Why would I or anyone else want to add an extra change in AKL to that? That is the whole appeal of the SQ service into CHC and is why, I suspect, it has been so successful for SQ.
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:37 pm

Surely they must have researched it thoroughly but I can't see how a LCC would benefit SQ. Won't it hurt SQ's brand?

And how will MI fit into the picture? My friends from Europe thought MI was the budget arm of SQ since its a regional subsidiary but MI is the something of the opposite. Its a premium regional airline. In an era of LCCs, I don't see how MI can keep this up. Does anyone here have some information of MI's loads and yields?

My guess is SQ is trying to scoop at (perhaps that was the inspiration for the name!) the rapidly growing low-cost market or fill the market.

Looking at the Singapore market, even though Singaporeans are generally a wealthy lot, having the most number of millionaires per capita and the third highest per capita GDP, lots of people here are very receptive to LCCs.. I have local friends in university who drive high end cars to school but fly JQ for their holidays. And most locals aren't loyal to SQ as a flag carrier.

Quoting shanxz (Reply 12):
I guess this is the exact kind of reactions they were expecting with the new brand - it's polarizing. You either love it or hate it. And while you might not get a bed of roses at the brand launch, you will have lots of people talking about it! And that's what you need when you launch a new airline. So, mission accomplished, from a PR perspective.

Yeah, definitely good from a PR angle. When the name appeared in local forums about 2 months ago lots of responses poured rapidly.. I certainly reacted too it, although my reaction was something of a cringe! I would never want to be associated with Scoot..

Quoting something (Reply 16):
But Asians seem to love loud colors and poppy advertizements.

Probably not Singaporeans! I think mild and being economical but still feeling a little classy goes down a lot better here rather that loud and almost neon light -like.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:39 pm

Ok let the jokes begin. Gotta scoot.....
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:52 pm

Quoting infinit (Reply 35):
Surely they must have researched it thoroughly but I can't see how a LCC would benefit SQ. Won't it hurt SQ's brand?

I don't think people flying SQ will connect the airline with Scoot, but people flying Scoot might connect it with SQ. This would be a relatively good result, as passengers might choose Scoot over say Jetstar because of SQ. And if they have a bad experience they might not fly SQ (but these are low-yield passengers). Secondly, most passengers won't even know the connection.

Quoting infinit (Reply 35):
Looking at the Singapore market, even though Singaporeans are generally a wealthy lot, having the most number of millionaires per capita and the third highest per capita GDP, lots of people here are very receptive to LCCs.. I have local friends in university who drive high end cars to school but fly JQ for their holidays. And most locals aren't loyal to SQ as a flag carrier.

Thing is, many, even relatively wealthy, see air travel as overpriced. A business class fare for many thousands of dollars, is many thousands of dollars spent for what really is only a couple of hours, when they could get from A to B in economy for a lot less. Same goes for LCC, why pay more for something that many see as only a bit better service and meals. Some see it as money well spent, many don't. Many wealthy countries see a lot of LCC's, be it Australia with Jetstar and Tiger (and possibly previously Virgin). Norway see it with Norwegian, and most of Europe, including the richer parts see it with Ryanair.

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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:56 pm

Quoting Shnoob940 (Reply 5):
What a shocking name for an airline, reminds me of a dog scooting along the floor on its bottom.

   Although it gives me endless pleasure/schadenfreude watching all these Asian/EU carriers come up with these disaster-waiting-to-happen ideas that were derided in the US a decade ago. Welcome to deregulation kids! You ain't seen nothin' yet!

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 18):
SQ is bound to make more from sending their own plane with F, J and Y over a fully laden LCC Y cabin.

I think that's precisely the problem.
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:39 pm

The name scoot reminds me of this:

 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:03 pm

Quoting flythere (Reply 3):
and what's more..... is their livery!

I know I already commented on this, but REALLY? That is something I'd make in powerpoint in less than 5 minutes as a joke. It's hideous, how did they think that was a good idea? You can be different and leave an impression without looking atrocious and tacky! *Puts flame suit on* It's even uglier than Southwest's livery!   
Ironically I have never flown a Delta MD-90 :)
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:39 pm

[quote=eaglefarm4,reply=26]

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I agree with Jupiter2 and i believe that the SQ 255/256 out of BNE is a marginal service as it connects with India and not much else.Whispers around the ITB at BNE for past week or 2 about Scoot operating here, so someone must have been aware of something.Also another reason BNE and PER have just lost Royal Brunei which offered 1,600 seats a week out of BNE mainly as low cost to Asia and Europe, so Scoot could easily fill this gap at least to Asia in the short term and Europe later on.

I recently had a 5 week long trip to Europe and flew back on Singapore Airlines and utilised SQ255 into BNE - primarily to arrive into BNE after 7am and for an extended layover at SIN after getting off my 13 hour flight on SQ321 from Heathrow. Was on SQ255 on October 15, and economy was roughly 90% full, maybe a bit more. I know this isn't indicative of profitability of a particular flight, but I likely had paid one of the lower yielding fares on the flight by booking in January, and saved myself $250 in the process - I booked before the fuel price rises this year kicked in.

I also know someone who is regularly on SQ246 and he often indicates the flight is also often well over 85% full.

I personally dont see Scoot replacing any of the SQ services to BNE, but rather complimenting them. The 4-5 hour turnaround time for SQ245/246 is not good for LCC ops. You would more likely see them flying to OOL if the airport there can handle the 772. Apart from OOL, I can only perceive CNS to be the only other port that Scoot flies to in Australia, unless they take delivery of some narrowbodies and give Broome a crack.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:43 pm

Quoting DeltaMD90 (Reply 40):

Well said, the livery is unbelieveably unprofessional even for an LCC, I mean look at air Asia, yes they dont need to copy, they want to be different but this is plain stupid, maybe the COO designed it himself on POWER POINT, in 5 MINUTES as you said, the way he describes the branding its highly likely.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:01 pm

Quoting CXB77L (Reply 28):
and having a 777 on the PER-SIN sector, even at 10-abreast, is infinitely better than flying on an A320.

Disagree, and certainly not at 10-abreast. Narrower seats, armrests, aisles, slower boarding/deplaning, longer waits for baggage. I'd take the A320 any day, especially a sector that's only 4 or 5 hours.

[Edited 2011-11-01 14:01:51]
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:01 pm

Bluebird 191 believe me that this flight is the worst performing of the 3 SQ flights to BNE.It operates 5 times a week not daily for 10 months of the year, and i have contacts at SQ who advise this will be the flight most likely to change.

In the case of 772 out of OOL .the runway will be extended in 2-3 years time but a fully laden 777 apparently even to SIN may be marginal.

See article below.

Gold Coast airport to extend runway
Coast Airport plans to adjust runway

Lucy Ardern | September 8th, 2011

JUST days after it was revealed China Southern Airlines could not fly to the Gold Coast because the city's runway was too short, the airport has released plans which appear to resolve the issue.

The Gold Coast Airport will this morning unveil plans to relocate the landing threshold on runway 32 by about 310 metres to the south, which would allow planes to make use of the full runway length.

The details are part of the 2011 preliminary draft master plan for the airport, which would see the runaway change occur in the next five years.
China Southern Airlines had hoped to launch direct flights from Guangzhou by 2015, but this week explained the airport could not cater for its Boeing 777 aircraft.
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:22 pm

Quoting shanxz (Reply 12):
I guess this is the exact kind of reactions they were expecting with the new brand - it's polarizing. You either love it or hate it. And while you might not get a bed of roses at the brand launch, you will have lots of people talking about it! And that's what you need when you launch a new airline. So, mission accomplished, from a PR perspective.

True, but I cant help thinking Nok air, or a gazillion other LCC's. The website and it's promises to interact with customers, be a new airline of fresh ideas, just reminds me of the Open skies website before that carrier was launched. It's all been done before!

Sure, you are correct when you say it polarizes, and I'm already keen to try the airline out, but to be honest, I would have found my way on board at some point anyway, given it's backed by SQ.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:40 am

Quoting ManekS (Reply 25):
Terrible name and logo ..
Quoting 777way (Reply 42):
Well said, the livery is unbelieveably unprofessional even for an LCC
Quoting bohica (Reply 39):
The name scoot reminds me of this:
Quoting infinit (Reply 35):
But Asians seem to love loud colors and poppy advertizements.Probably not Singaporeans! I think mild and being economical but still feeling a little classy goes down a lot better here rather that loud and almost neon light -like.

I think that sums it up pretty neatly. Gheez.... Scoot.... And the livery is almost as bad as the name....

Having said that, I wish them good luck... or maybe not. Tony Fernandes - the AirAsia CEO commenting upon the first announcement that SQ would launch an long-haul LCC - did say that airlines should stick to doing what they know best rather than trying to be in every niche. And it's getting pretty crowded in SIA basket, operating from a place with just 4-5M population - Singapore Air, SilkAir, Tiger, and now this thing.

I'm also thinking, as a passenger, you get your assumed 40% break in the fare compared to the network carriers, but this is medium / long-haul right? So most people will likely need to buy the "unbundled" stuff, such as check-in bags and food, that may be dispensible on regional service but a necessity for longer-distance travel. After that, how much will you actually save? Especially when you could have flown a five-star carrier for, in the end, just a little more.

Time will tell I guess....  
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:40 am

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 44):
Bluebird 191 believe me that this flight is the worst performing of the 3 SQ flights to BNE.It operates 5 times a week not daily for 10 months of the year, and i have contacts at SQ who advise this will be the flight most likely to change.

Thanks for the info - if the flight gets droped then SQ will have lost a customer to CX - I'm not the keenest to arrive into BNE before 7am, unless CZ or BR can offer a ripper a business class fare, and I'm one who refuses to go low cost on anything long haul.

I must admit I would like to see Scoot start service too OOL and get one up on Jetstar - its a wonder why Jetstar hasn't started services on the OOL-SIN route yet, particularly with the feed at the Singapore end.

All the best to Scoot, but seriously, does the Asia-Pacific region need another LCC?
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:21 am

I think there will have to be some care as to how Scoot is introduced to some cities, because if Scoot replaces the SQ service people in that city may think they are a second priority city so far as the SQ Group are concerned. Will they allow some controlled competition on some routes? It may be the Scoot services will come into cities that are only 777-200ER cities now or perhaps A330-300 cities. So, I think CHC or ADL might be possibilities.

Quite a lot of passengers out of CHC are going on to Europe - the Early Bird specials are on sale now. Will passengers on Scoot still travel on SQ tickets, and perhaps find they are paying more for SQ tickets on Scoot planes - like Qantas and Jetstar?

I find it a bit strange that China is one of the first destinations out of SIN, because China is not really a long haul destination out of SIN - most cities are only five hours away, so surely they are Tiger destinations? Apart from PEK and PVG how many Chinese cities would need widebody LCC flights from SIN? Tiger A320s would offer better frequency. Indian cities, which will be served later are only five hours from SIN, so they do not really make good use of long range planes either.

I wonder if the new management at Tiger will co operate with Scoot, because if Scoot wants to fly Australians and New Zealanders to Thai resorts, they will not be flying short sectors out of SIN, themselves.
 
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RE: SQ Announces LCC "Scoot"

Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:48 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 36):
Ok let the jokes begin. Gotta scoot.....

I wonder if they're going to adopt to LO landing style of dragging the back of the plane along the runway 

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