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Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:59 pm

CO is launching their IAH-LOS flight on Nov 16. How do advance bookings look on this new, significant route for CO, soon to be UA? It is so about time CO starts an African route (soon to be UA, pardon me). Where are these 777's coming from? From what route?
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:17 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
Where are these 777's coming from? From what route?

These are the two 777s CO took delivery of last year that were supposed to launch EWR-CAI, they cancelled the CAI route prior to launch due to the turmoil in that country.
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:23 pm

For all purposes, this is not a CO route, it's United. United is dropping it's LOS tag on the ACC flight from IAD and the flight is moving to IAH as a nonstop. Makes sense given the oil connection and the already existing services at IAH to LOS.

Does anyone know when the fleet will go mixed at all airports? Seems the GE-90 powered 777's are staying at the former CO hubs, which makes sense, but I know in the future this will not be a completely viable solution.

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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:32 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 2):
For all purposes, this is not a CO route, it's United. United is dropping it's LOS tag on the ACC flight from IAD and the flight is moving to IAH as a nonstop. Makes sense given the oil connection and the already existing services at IAH to LOS.

But it is a CO flight on CO metal. In other words, United has sadly discontinued service to LOS but in other news we are pleased to report that CO is growing it's already very expansive route network by placing new, luxury, 777 service to LOS from IAH.
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:35 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 2):
For all purposes, this is not a CO route, it's United. United is dropping it's LOS tag on the ACC flight from IAD and the flight is moving to IAH as a nonstop. Makes sense given the oil connection and the already existing services at IAH to LOS

Some will say it's a CO route because it was announced with AKL to have been the first two international destinations CO would use the 788. Now, with a single SOC coming up UA will have IAD-ACC and IAH-LOS.
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:37 pm

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 3):
But it is a CO flight on CO metal. In other words, United has sadly discontinued service to LOS but in other news we are pleased to report that CO is growing it's already very expansive route network by placing new, luxury, 777 service to LOS from IAH.

LOL.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 2):
Does anyone know when the fleet will go mixed at all airports?

Do you mean just the 777's? I'm pretty sure there is some iteration of a mixed UA/CO presence at every hub now.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:40 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
How do advance bookings look on this new, significant route for CO,

As others have pointed out, this route is the UA route ( you are correct -- CO and UA have been merged for over a year ) .

For another thread, I checked seat maps up to the Christmas holidays and found both cabins had daily bookings. Btw, this LOS service accompanies "Houston Express" service to LAD which is also largely oil exploration traffic.

As a side note, frequent flyer miles earned on the Houston Express go to Mileage Plus rather than OnePass.

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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:44 pm

Quoting rdh3e (Reply 5):

I don't think so. Still haven't seen a CO powered 777 at SFO on a regular schedule.
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:47 pm

Quoting as739x (Reply 7):
I don't think so. Still haven't seen a CO powered 777 at SFO on a regular schedule.

But there are CO 737's, that was my point. There is a redeployment of at least one of the fleets at every hub, but maybe not 777's.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:57 pm

Quoting rdh3e (Reply 8):
that was my point. There is a redeployment of at least one of the fleets at every hub

I'm still not sure I get what you mean -- CO already flies to every UA hub and UA already flies to every CO hub.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:31 pm

$$$$$$$$ OIL $$$$$$$$$$

I suspect we'll be, or should be a monster on this route.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:35 pm

I'd go, but I saw the vaccination list that you need on coair and quickly changed my mind   
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:40 pm

Well that is the catch, they aren't really merged beyond the legal level. And some paint. That will chg soon. But for now IAH-LOS is a CO 777-224, with a CO crew, using a CO flt number and call sign. It is a CO flight. I can see with IAD-CDG/AMS you could call it CO ops a UA route. But you don't even have that much here. CO has been planning LOS for ages.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:41 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 9):
I'm still not sure I get what you mean -- CO already flies to every UA hub and UA already flies to every CO hub.

I'm was saying there are s-CO A/C flying s-UA routes, at every hub and vice-versa.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:43 pm

Quoting Sulley (Reply 11):
I'd go, but I saw the vaccination list that you need on coair and quickly changed my mind

Yes,quite a bit. I'm guessing the mosquitoes there make the ones here in Houston look quite tame.

And thats saying something because they are FEROCIOUS.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:45 pm

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 12):
Well that is the catch, they aren't really merged beyond the legal level. And some paint. That will chg soon. But for now IAH-LOS is a CO 777-224, with a CO crew, using a CO flt number and call sign. It is a CO flight. I can see with IAD-CDG/AMS you could call it CO ops a UA route. But you don't even have that much here. CO has been planning LOS for ages.

  
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:47 pm

I guess CO FAs will be laying over in LOS now?
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:57 pm

Probably a pretty low bid route for crews....
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:05 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
Probably a pretty low bid route for crews....

True ,but it's high bid for the oil companies.

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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:18 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 2):

Does anyone know when the fleet will go mixed at all airports? Seems the GE-90 powered 777's are staying at the former CO hubs, which makes sense, but I know in the future this will not be a completely viable solution.

I would think they'll stay segregated for as long as possible. There is very little the GE-90 has on common with the pratts UA has. Just seems smarter for parts storage at their respective bases. As well, if there is any cabin difference between the two, that may also be a factor.
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:02 pm

Quoting fly2yyz (Reply 16):
I guess CO FAs will be laying over in LOS now?

But, of course. If you know the city well, it offers many opportunities for laying over.  
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:09 pm

Is there a decent bank of flights on the LOS end to maybe connect to other parts of Africa?

It would be nice for people from this reigion to be able to connect to other parts of Africa too.
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:11 pm

Quoting wn700driver (Reply 19):
I would think they'll stay segregated for as long as possible. There is very little the GE-90 has on common with the pratts UA has. Just seems smarter for parts storage at their respective bases. As well, if there is any cabin difference between the two, that may also be a factor.

I speculate that as well. Seems to make sense to keep the GE's at CO hubs and PW's at United hubs. However, I'm curios to see how the new UA will deploy the two-class aircraft vs. the three-class aircraft in the future. Do some current CO routes warrant UA's 3 class product and vice versa. Eventually, I would guess some repositioning of these aircraft to various hubs will be necessary.

Do the GE-90 powered aircraft have a slight range benefit over the PW's?

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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:15 pm

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 3):

Thread should be changed to "Lagos, Here Comes UA!"
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:17 pm

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 22):
Do some current CO routes warrant UA's 3 class product and vice versa.

Of course. We really don't know what exactly United is going to do here. All we know is what they have done so far: Announced that they intend to convert 14 domestic 763s into 2-class international 763s, put lie-flat seats in the 764, and refurbish their PS fleet. As for swaps, EWR-BRU and EWR-ZRH are operated by 3-class United aircraft and IAD-CDG and IAD-AMS are operated by 2-class Continental aircraft. Guam has also seen some changes, and some of the Pacific tag-on flights. And IAH-LIM. I believe that is it.

Obviously, many more changes to come. By next summer we should have a good idea of what kind of changes are in store.

Quoting UAL747 (Reply 22):
Do the GE-90 powered aircraft have a slight range benefit over the PW's?

I don't think it's a range benefit; it's a performance benefit.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:21 pm

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 23):
Thread should be changed to "Lagos, Here Comes UA!"

Agree, CO is history, accept it. UA is now in charge. All planes are UA and all routes are UA.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:28 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):

When DL started flying there.... it went so Junior! That the crews had parties and DL had to send
In-Flight spies to tame the beast. The stories would make the ABC PAA series look like cartoons.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:38 pm

Quoting BC77008 (Reply 3):
But it is a CO flight on CO metal. In other words, United has sadly discontinued service to LOS but in other news we are pleased to report that CO is growing it's already very expansive route network by placing new, luxury, 777 service to LOS from IAH.

And with rumors that SOC is only weeks away, does it really matter?

Quoting kl911 (Reply 25):
CO is history, accept it. UA is now in charge. All planes are UA and all routes are UA.

Might not be a pleasant thought, but this is truth.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
Probably a pretty low bid route for crews....

I wouldn't be so sure...11 hours paid time each direction. Would really depend on how long they have to wait to return. Lots of crew don't really care where they go, they care about maximizing hours/trip. Most of the layover time is spent in a hotel room anyway, so does it really matter if you're in Lagos or Paris?
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:39 pm

Quoting xdlx (Reply 26):
When DL started flying there.... it went so Junior! That the crews had parties and DL had to send
In-Flight spies to tame the beast

LOL... then again I may be wrong.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:12 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 25):
Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 23):
Thread should be changed to "Lagos, Here Comes UA!"

Agree, CO is history, accept it. UA is now in charge. All planes are UA and all routes are UA.

Even though the surviving certificate is technically CO's...  
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:17 pm

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 29):
Even though the surviving certificate is technically CO's...

Yeah, uhh, key word "technically." The plane says UA, the ff program is Mileage Plus, etc, etc, etc.

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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:58 pm

Quoting kl911 (Reply 25):
Agree, CO is history, accept it. UA is now in charge. All planes are UA and all routes are UA.

Not just untrue, but illegal if the pax are sold this flight and it not disclosed this a CO route. The Feds would disagree you here
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:01 pm

UA are dropping their Lagos 767 flight, CO are starting it with a 777. So in other words, it's basically getting an equipment upgrade.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:49 pm

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
Probably a pretty low bid route for crews....

Maybe, but it's a pretty high-time trip. Almost 25 hours over 3.5 days away from base. In terms of duty time against time away from base, it will be a close second to NRT for Houston crews.

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 23):
Thread should be changed to "Lagos, Here Comes UA!"

UA beat PMCO to LOS several years ago, and this isn't officially a United-operated flight until 11/30/11. Before SOC, this flight will operated by the CO subsidiary of United Continental Holdings, Inc., as opposed to the United subsidiary of same. Any other view of that is incorrect. I have no problem whatsoever with UA subsuming CO, but facts are facts.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:33 am

Quoting RamblinMan (Reply 30):
The important part, which is yet to be seen, is which company culture will endure.

It's true that all politics are local (except in Mountain Time west Texas where they think they're a separate state   ). But I'm remembering flying UA992 last night. An older F/A reminded me the 757 we were flying on was "old enough to vote," and as far as he was concerned, they couldn't retire the things fast enough.

Is it possible those new 739ERs coming on line will be UA "culture" (crewed) rather than CO?
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:39 am

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 34):
Is it possible those new 739ERs coming on line will be UA "culture" (crewed) rather than CO?

Short answer, no, unless a joint contract is inked in a hurry. UA is going to need to train pilots for the 737NG. While there still may be plenty of 737 type-rated pilots at United, they need differences training for the NG and it will take a while to get enough people current. F/As will need training on the aircraft as well.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:46 am

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 31):

Not just untrue, but illegal if the pax are sold this flight and it not disclosed this a CO route. The Feds would disagree you here

For what - 10 more days?
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:12 am

Quoting SEA (Reply 32):
UA are dropping their Lagos 767 flight, CO are starting it with a 777. So in other words, it's basically getting an equipment upgrade

No, not exactly.

UA 990-991 ORD-IAD-ACC-LOS is already tagged at both ends. It's a long flight for crew. And my information is that the ACC-LOS tag carries a daily 50 passengers, maximum. OTOH, the "Houston Express" crowd travels on a pair of 5Y crewed 747s that carry only 189 passengers -- all F / J / Y+.

WHY shouldn't CO or UA have some of that?

Who has a couple of 772s lying around? Oh yeah, CO does since their Cairo route was trashed.

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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:21 am

Quoting CODC10 (Reply 33):

OK have you're glory. The CO name will only exist for about another 30 days tops and then it's history.
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:33 am

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 38):
The CO name will only exist for about another 30 days tops and then it's history.

G** Da** It, guys.

Why does every f***ing CO-UA thread have to turn churlish like this?
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:22 am

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
SA)">CO is launching their IAH-LOS flight on Nov 16.

Wow! Good luck to them, although I doubt they'll really need it  .

One interesting thing to note - assuming that the SOC on 11/11/11 has been delayed, SA)">CO can truly be credited as one of the world's few airlines that was able to service all six inhabited continents at the same time. This is something that only the most prestigious (or at least iconic, as in the case of Soviet-era SU) global carriers have achieved. After several decades in which no U.S. airline was party to the six continent club, SA)">DL joined in 2009 with the launch of LAX-SYD, followed by PMSA)">UA one year later with the start of IAD-ACC.

In fact, had the 787s been delivered on time, SA)">CO would have joined the supremely rare ranks of airlines that serve all six continents nonstop from a single hub [assuming we may count AKL as "Australia" even though it is technically in the closer, relatively distinct Oceania realm]. In any case, EK pioneered this club when it started DXB-GRU in 2007, and QR - not to be outdone - became its second member when DOH-GRU started last year. If you don't think IAH-AKL counts, then if SA)">UA ever decides to do IAH-SYD, SA)">UA may still become the first carrier to accomplish this impressive feat without the backing of state funds/oil money, though Houston's own oil wealth certainly will play its part  .

Sorry for getting into all that, but this is a BIG deal. At least to me! Anyhow, back on track to the route itself...

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
How do advance bookings look on this new, significant route for SA)">CO

I can't see how this route wouldn't do well, if the merits of this older (2007) article* still hold true today! The oil companies will fill the front of the plane, and the VFR traffic will take care of the back.

*http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/nvs/thousands-cant-get-a-direct-flight-from-houston-to-nigeria.html

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
soon to be SA)">UA

"SA)">UA" already serves LOS, although that service appears to be ending in conjunction with the launch of this flight. Considering that they spent so much time and effort (and probably $$) getting those rights to serve LOS, I'm a little surprised to see them drop it so quickly. A one-stop routing via ACC may not necessarily be ideal, but it still provides the best link between D.C. and Nigeria. While IAH-LOS will undoubtedly have much stronger O&D, it won't be very convenient for almost any American travelers outside of Houston itself. I guess anyone East (or North) of Houston will either have to endure a significant backtrack or connect via FRA on LH, rather than through the IAD hub that offers seamless connectivity to every city of consequence in the Midwest, South, and Eastern Seaboard. I wonder if a future, nonstop EWR-LOS and/or IAD-LOS could be under consideration? I know SA)">DL was trying to serve LOS from JFK as well as ATL at one point...

By the way, even though this flight will be formally operated by SA)">CO for the time being, the 777s flying it will always say United  .

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
It is so about time SA)">CO starts an African route (soon to be SA)">UA, pardon me).

Well, PMSA)">UA already serves Africa, although given some recent frequency reductions on IAD-ACC I am beginning to wonder how they are doing there. Then again, IAD-ACC was never supposed to be a standalone route in the first place, but they went ahead and started it anyway without the LOS tag. The ACC-LOS tag has come and (will soon be) gone, yet the IAD-ACC service remains, so I guess ACC has exceeded their initial expectations as an O&D market.

PMSA)">CO has been interested in Africa for quite some time, and I do remember when they loaded EWR-LOS as a future route (on their route map, anyway) only to be denied necessary rights by Nigerian authorities. This route was intended to be flown by the 787, but due to delays in getting that plane they decided to start it with the larger 777 rather than keep waiting. Obviously this route must be pretty lucrative for them to do that - I wonder if it will ultimately be downgraded (in terms of capacity) to the 787, or if they will keep the 777 on it and use the 787s for something else. PMSA)">CO was as we all know due to launch EWR-CAI, but the swift overthrow of the government there (and ensuing drop in tourism) put a stop to that.

In terms of service to Africa, I think SA)">UA has many opportunities going forward. South African Airways is a Star Alliance partner, but truly lacks the planes capable of serving the U.S. nonstop from the JNB hub. If the 787 can reach IAD and/or EWR nonstop (and SA is willing to codeshare, possibly dropping its own overlapping routes as a result) from hot and high JNB, SA)">UA could do very, very well. I could even see EWR-CPT working with the 787, if/when SA)">UA became established in the South African market. I'm sure when life in Egypt returns to normal and tourists start going back that EWR-CAI will come online - again, a codeshare with a Star Alliance partner (Egypt Air) will help. ADD is another one that springs to mind - SA)">UA could serve the market nonstop from IAD or EWR with the 787, and feed into an alliance partner's strong network. I think the 787 is a real game changer with its relatively small capacity but long range capabilities, making Africa much more lucrative than ever before. Meanwhile, those new 2-class 767s could be perfect for stuff like EWR/IAD-DKR/CMN/etc. With respect to DKR, they might be able to get an SA codeshare...

Quoting klwright69 (Thread starter):
Where are these 777's coming from? From what route?

These 777s were due to fly the EWR-CAI route that never came to fruition. I believe they were temporarily placed on a transatlantic route over the summer and then will be permanently used for these flights. The question is, will they continue to fly this route when the smaller 787s that were supposed to fly it finally arrive? Or will the route be strong enough to keep the bigger aircraft?
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:40 am

I don't know how long they are going to remain on this route if they are to fly two planes to ACC and LOS. I was on UA990 and UA991 back in Feb and the plan wasn't even half full. 767 serving two cities and they couldn't fill it up and yet they want to fly 767 and 777 to this cites?

[Edited 2011-11-01 20:14:50]
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:51 am

Any way SA)">UA can get the approval for LOS-JNB as a tag on so that SA is NOT the only option?
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:19 am

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 38):
OK have you're glory. The CO name will only exist for about another 30 days tops and then it's history.

It's not my glory. As I've said over and over and over, I have no problem with the fact that CO is disappearing in favor of United.. All I'm doing is stating a fact.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Wed Nov 02, 2011 4:01 am

Quoting BCEaglesCO757 (Reply 10):
$$$$$$$$ OIL $$$$$$$$$$

I suspect we'll be, or should be a monster on this route.

Not totally that.Houston has the highest population of Nigerians in the US
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:37 pm

I am just now returning to read the thread I started.

I am disappointed it has turned into a UA vs CO type conversation. But I am not surprised. Good grief, some need to really just get a grip. I knew CO was planning LOS for many years, and now it has come to fruition. This was before UA really entered the picture. Correct?

Honestly I didn't give the whole UA/CO merger much thought regarding this thread's topic. I was not meaning to demean UA by not referring to it as UA's new route. Don't take it personally. I went to CO's website and found the startup date, and knew it was a CO flight number. That's all.

Does anyone at CO/UA know anything regarding booking for November and December? I too agree it will do well, I was curious if anyone had any factual information. What route is going to be downgraded to provide the airframes?

Quoting TOMMY767 (Reply 23):
Quoting BC77008 (Reply 3):

Thread should be changed to "Lagos, Here Comes U

Well, no it shouldn't. UA has already been serving LOS.
 
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:58 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 45):
What route is going to be downgraded to provide the airframes?

You really need to read your own thread. This information is presented twice.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 45):
I am disappointed it has turned into a UA vs CO type conversation.

Sure you are.   
 
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Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:12 pm

Quoting AA767LOVER (Reply 42):
Any way SA)">UA can get the approval for LOS-JNB as a tag on so that SA is NOT the only option

It's not.

DL also serves J'burg.
 
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Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:35 pm

Quoting wale03 (Reply 44):
Not totally that.Houston has the highest population of Nigerians in the US

Why do you think that is? I work for one of the larger oil companies in Houston (which has gained reluctant notoriety in the last year or two) and we fly people from Houston to Nigeria...constantly. Not to mention, for the vast majority of our global travel, because of the connections offered by CO when it was a member of Skyteam, we usually fly with AF/KL when CO doesn't offer the flights needed. I can assure you, that these flights will be far more successful coming from IAH than from IAD. I think you will see load factors (and most likely revenue - corporations rarely buy discount tickets) increase significantly, not because the destination changed, but because the origination point did.

I welcome correction if I am proved wrong.
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RE: Lagos, Here Comes CO!

Wed Nov 02, 2011 2:38 pm

So LOS goes down in history as the last city CO will ever add to it's route map. Very cool! Great job all these years CO.
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