tonytifao
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Brazilian Pilots/Crew & Safety/professionalism

Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:46 pm

I have flown various times within Brazil in the past and have not encountered the following before.

On 3 or my last 5 flights within Brazil (2 with Gol and 1 with Webjet), I have noticed some unusual pilot activity. First flight, about 10 min after take off, the pilot/co-pilot was hanging out with the flight attendants in the back of the aircraft for literally 10 minutes. To me, he was hitting on young beautiful GOL flight attendents. This seemed like very young pilot. I really don't see the pilot belonging in the back of the plane for so long. This was CNF-POA flight.

Webjet was very similar, Pilot went to the back of the plane and did the same thing, chatted in the back while having a quick snack. This lasted about 5 minutes.

The other GOL flight which I bring up is that they had a flight attendant enter the cockpit to take food twice and spent a great amount of time there (10+ min). Possibily taking some of the attention away of pilots?. On this same flight, landing in CNF, the pilot seemed to take a very sharp turn before landing. Most approaches to CNF have been coming straight for a good amount of time, not quick sharp turn and landing. Seems like young pilots still flying Cessnas.

Anyway, I feel like lack of professionalism and safety sometimes while flying in Brazil compared to the US. Wonder if this has to do with economic boom and the rising number of flights needing more and more pilots, hiring young and not so experience pilots.
 
Glareskin
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RE: Brazilian Pilots/Crew & Safety/professionalism

Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:40 pm

Quoting tonytifao (Thread starter):
To me, he was hitting on young beautiful GOL flight attendents.

Can you blame him? They really look good in their clothing as do the TAM girls. Being a pilot definitely has some advantages.

Quoting tonytifao (Thread starter):
This was CNF-POA flight.

Beautiful Brazilian - German Porto Alegre girls.  
Quoting tonytifao (Thread starter):
I have noticed some unusual pilot activity

I think it would be unusual if they would ignore the good looking fa's. Did the pilots die on the flight deck?

Quoting tonytifao (Thread starter):
the pilot/co-pilot was hanging out with the flight attendants in the back of the aircraft for literally 10 minutes

As you rightfully wrote pilot/co-pilot. You know there is another guy flying the plane.

Quoting tonytifao (Thread starter):
I feel like lack of professionalism and safety sometimes while flying in Brazil compared to the US.

Well, with the average age of flight attendants in the US I wouldn't come out of the cockpit for a 10 minute chat, would you? You can call it professional. I call it basic male instinct.
 
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RamblinMan
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RE: Brazilian Pilots/Crew & Safety/professionalism

Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:53 pm

I don't really know...not taken any Brazilian domestic flights, never even been. But the anecdotal stuff you are talking about really would not concern me. Do you have any actual data regarding safety that we could compare to flying in other places considered "safe" like the U.S, Europe, or Japan? Of course, for that, too, you would need to account for the inherent danger in some of the more remote places as I'd imagine there are lots of basic, unimproved airfields in Brazil.

Quoting glareskin (Reply 1):
As you rightfully wrote pilot/co-pilot. You know there is another guy flying the plane.

Up until the last decade when we have been in security panic mode, this wasn't at all uncommon on U.S. domestic flights either. I remember one particular WN flight where one of the pilots came out for a bathroom break wearing khaki shorts and had a brief and very comedic chat with some of us before returning to the cockpit. I did not consider it unprofessional at all...one look at the safety record of that airline proves the pilots are absolutely competent in what they are doing. (as well as maintenance people, cabin crew, etc...)

Quoting glareskin (Reply 1):
Being a pilot definitely has some advantages.

And I do not begrudge them one bit of flirting. It's got to be a pretty lonely job when so many of your nights are spent in hotel rooms in strange cities.
 
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RE: Brazilian Pilots/Crew & Safety/professionalism

Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:06 am

Quoting tonytifao (Thread starter):
Pilot went to the back of the plane and did the same thing, chatted in the back while having a quick snack. This lasted about 5 minutes.

I don't see much of a problem 5 mins at cruise.

Quoting tonytifao (Thread starter):
about 10 min after take off, the pilot/co-pilot was hanging out with the flight attendants in the back of the aircraft for literally 10 minutes

Only 10mins after takeoff and 10mins in the back. That is not right. 10mins after t/o is still a pretty busy time in the cockpit and much more critical time than cruise. 10mins is also a pretty long time.

Quoting tonytifao (Thread starter):
The other GOL flight which I bring up is that they had a flight attendant enter the cockpit to take food twice and spent a great amount of time there (10+ min).

No problem there IMO, both pilots are at their seats. I am sure it was at cruise. Really they do not have much to do than talk to eachother and look at instruments now and than. I rather have them talk to an F/A than getting into an argument about Labor relations at the airline or on their laptops.   

Quoting tonytifao (Thread starter):
take a very sharp turn before landing.

Who knows what type of approach ATC gave them.
You landed there safely and with no problems so the flight crew did their jobs fine.
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