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CO To Make Aviation History!

Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:42 pm

Watch for something on 07nov from CO that is a first ever in U.S. aviation.





To meet the rule guildlines I will say this is strictly my opinion, that CO will do anything special this coming week

[Edited 2011-11-05 12:19:51 by wilco737]
 
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:49 pm

CO specifically? Or UA/CO as a combined entity...
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:55 pm

Nothing to do with this announcement,?
http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/5/25...in-in-flight-wi-fi-rollout-in-2012

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Beginning in mid-2012 United and Continental airlines will outfit 300 of their planes with in-flight Wi-Fi in an agreement with Panasonic Avionics Corporation. Panasonic's Ku-band Wi-Fi is special because it will enable both airlines to offer connectivity on international flights, which no other American operator currently has.

While the company expects to have its entire fleet covered by 2015, it will begin with the Airbus A319 and A320 and Boeing 747, 757, 767, 777 and 787 aircraft. This is in addition to United Holding's previous announcement that it would bring satellite Wi-Fi to the more than 200 planes it owns which have DirecTV.
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:05 pm

it is strictly a CO deal, and it has nothing to do with UA or wifi

again just stating unsubstantiated person opinion, CO maybe could operate the first U.S. bio-fuel pax flight. If they were gonna do that I think they would fly it IAH-ORD with CO1403 this monday, but that could be just a lucky guess  
 
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:13 pm

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 3):
again just stating unsubstantiated person opinion, CO maybe could operate the first U.S. bio-fuel pax flight. If they were gonna do that I think they would fly it IAH-ORD with CO1403 this monday, but that could be just a lucky guess  

U.S aviation history sure. But since it's already been done elsewhere I'm not so excited about it. However, good on CO.
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:22 pm

Quoting Gingersnap (Reply 4):
U.S aviation history sure. But since it's already been done elsewhere I'm not so excited about it. However, good on CO.

True, but it is still another last bit of something for the record books for CO before the bell rings, so I am pleased with that 



As long as I am expressing totally unsupported view points, I had a dream last night that UA applied to fly SFO-MNL non-stop last month and it waiting for the Philippine Gov now. That said as my guesses and opinions go, the bio-fuel is a pretty solid hunch, MNL is still in the works....I mean just a dream I had.
 
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Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:39 pm

Quoting tpaewr (Thread starter):
But watch for something on 07nov from CO that is a first ever in U.S. aviation.

They plan to report they made a profit?   
 
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:41 pm

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 5):
MNL is still in the works....I mean just a dream I had.

I'm pretty sure EWR or IAD to MNL would also sell -- if there was any equipment available to fly it.
 
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:46 pm

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 3):
CO maybe could operate the first U.S. bio-fuel pax flight.

Already been done, yes?
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:21 pm

I'll take a bite out of this one, they bring out a retro scheme 777 or 757 with Peter Max on one side and meatball on the other or they begin to fly to LOS or they order 15 7478's or they announce the worlds longest route from IAH to DEL or HYD. Am i right or what?

@tpaewr, as much as I love a good guessing match, a hint would be nice about 24ish hours in advance of the press conference/event/hoe-down/barn stomp. Thanks in advance, ya'll have a good one now ya hear.
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Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:29 pm

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 6):
They plan to report they made a profit?

You're thinking of AA most likely. 
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:50 pm

Biofuels are great but the way a lot of the ones used in the aviation industry are made is more environmentally destructive than the dino juice they are replacing. It's not just running on biofuel... but running on biofuel that is economically viable and that can be made in an environmentally friendly way.
 
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:55 pm

Quoting LV (Reply 11):
but the way a lot of the ones used in the aviation industry are made is more environmentally destructive than the dino juice they are replacing.

Bingo. Bio fuels are NOT the answer, sadly. Just an easier way for the aviation industry to say it's reducing it's carbon footprint....
 
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:54 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 8):
Already been done, yes?

AFAIK, that's just a livery stating CO's commitment to reducing their carbon footprint.. by operating the fleet they operate (one of the most fuel efficient, per their claims).
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:19 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 8):

Already been done, yes?

Not on a revenue flight. That ship number operated a test flight with bio fuel. I believe the OP is intimating that it will be a revenue flight with paying pax onboard that will operate on bio fuel.
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:38 pm

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 7):
I'm pretty sure EWR or IAD to MNL would also sell -- if there was any equipment available to fly it.

never going to happen, yields are way too low.

I think UA would be happy to funnel passengers through their partner NH over NRT on their new trip

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Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:15 am

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 3):
again just stating unsubstantiated person opinion, CO maybe could operate the first U.S. bio-fuel pax flight. If they were gonna do that I think they would fly it IAH-ORD with CO1403 this monday, but that could be just a lucky guess

Who has gone to the trouble of certifying a biofuel as a Jet-A equivalent fuel? Wasn't aware that anyone had done that yet  
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:23 am

  

I got it.....

  


They're going to announce a DEN-NRT nonstop.....

Nobody else has ever had a scheduled n/s from DEN to Asia before.....

It'll be history......

  
 
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Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:16 am

Smi$ek placing an order for 100 A-380s for the newly merged airline.

     
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:25 am

They will only use Airbus aircraft from now on  
 
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Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:31 pm

maybe there going to order A320 NEO
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sun Nov 06, 2011 1:52 pm

Quoting iahflyer (Reply 9):
I'll take a bite out of this one, they bring out a retro scheme 777 or 757 with Peter Max on one side and meatball on the other or they begin to fly to LOS or they order 15 7478's or they announce the worlds longest route from IAH to DEL or HYD. Am i right or what?

Great, I've been waiting for a "Where is the Peter Max 777 meatball ?" thread. I'd start it myself but I know 100 other users will beat me to it, 15% of them claiming the livery will look better on the A350.

Glad to hear Boing is making a 748SP to cover that new ULH route. Cue the person starting the "Why doesn't Boeing make an SP version of the 748?" thread. Hm, that might be a good one.

Quoting nighthawk (Reply 6):
Quoting tpaewr (Thread starter): But watch for something on 07nov from CO that is a first ever in U.S. aviation.
They plan to report they made a profit?

I hope not, or else we are all getting subpoenas from the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Now for something completely different:

Ohhhh, I know I know! They are going to recycle waste oil from McDonalds! I think it would be fabu if jet exhaust smelled like french fries. Maybe they could have a Kentucky Fried variant as well. Those long taxi lines at EWR just got finger lickin' good!
 
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:32 pm

Quoting iahflyer (Reply 9):
they bring out a retro scheme 777 or 757 with Peter Max on one side and meatball on the other

Actually, a 'proud bird with a golden tail' isn't a bad idea for a widebody. As you can see, the scheme looked better on larger airframes.
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:30 pm

Now posted to the UA Facebook page...

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We’ll operate the first U.S. commercial flight powered by advanced biofuel, using the world’s first 100 percent algae-derived jet fuel on Monday, Nov. 7. The historic flight will depart from our hub at Houston’s Bush Intercontinental Airport and fly to our hub at Chicago O’Hare.
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Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:37 pm

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 24):
Now posted to the UA Facebook page...

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We’ll operate the first U.S. commercial flight powered by advanced biofuel, using the world’s first 100 percent algae-derived jet fuel on Monday, Nov. 7. The historic flight will depart from our hub at Houston’s Bush Intercontinental Airport and fly to our hub at Chicago O’Hare.

Hooray......

Good good good and more good.

Although personally, I think that this is about 25 or so years late for someone to be doing this but hey..... it's finally getting done now.

All the best to CO (UA) for this.

 
 
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:14 pm

Alaska Airlines and it's sister carrier Horizon Air is starting the first passenger revenue carrying biofuel flights.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Alaska...ng-prnews-4245660365.html?x=0&.v=1
 
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Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:49 pm

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 30):

Alaska Airlines and it's sister carrier Horizon Air is starting the first passenger revenue carrying biofuel flights.
AS/Horizons flights start on Wednesday...United-Continental Holdings (think that will keep me out of trouble with the UA vs COers?   ) flew the first ever passenger revenue carrying flight today.

United-Continental Holdings also announced that they are negotiating with Solazyme to begin purchasing 20 million gallons of algae based fuel a year. While that is just a drop in the bucket (about half of one percent of the fuel that UA uses over the course of a year) it's a start.

[Edited 2011-11-07 07:50:55]
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Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:02 pm

Maybe one of their flights will actually depart HOU on time?   
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Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:31 pm

Quoting CPHFF (Reply 32):
Maybe one of their flights will actually depart HOU on time?

Proably not as they don't have regular passenger flights at HOU!   

IAH is the airport CO and UA fly to/from in Houston for regular passenger traffic.
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:04 pm

It says AS's fuel is going to be made from used cooking oil. So the cue line at SEA is going to smell like tacos and french fries  
 
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Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:47 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 31):
AS/Horizons flights start on Wednesday...United-Continental Holdings (think that will keep me out of trouble with the UA vs COers?   ) flew the first ever passenger revenue carrying flight today.

UA-CO flight will be the first in the US. Other airlines in other countries have already flown such flights.
 
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Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:01 pm

Quoting United1 (Reply 31):
United-Continental Holdings also announced that they are negotiating with Solazyme to begin purchasing 20 million gallons of algae based fuel a year. While that is just a drop in the bucket (about half of one percent of the fuel that UA uses over the course of a year) it's a start.

I agree it's a good start. Still, it would be nice if UA was upfront with the blended cost of the product they will be burning and the amount of government subsidy in that price. I'm not against the development effort; I'd just like to know what it's costing. Part another way, I'd like to know how close Solazyme is to an economically viable commercial product from UA's point of view. ( and not Solazyme's.   )

The fact they aren't mentioning $$$ probably means there's lots of work still to do.
 
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RE: CO To Make Aviation History!

Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:08 pm

Quoting tpaewr (Reply 3):
it is strictly a CO deal, and it has nothing to do with UA or wifi

I got it, I got it.
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Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:51 am

Quoting CPHFF (Reply 32):
Maybe one of their flights will actually depart HOU on time?

Except for the last flight of the day that always waits for known connecting passengers.

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Funny -- on some IAH to BWI / DCA / IAD flights we've actually pushed back early.

But no one ever remembers the early pushbacks.  
 
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Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:56 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 31):
Still, it would be nice if UA was upfront with the blended cost of the product they will be burning and the amount of government subsidy in that price.

My question got answered, for Alaska's product, by the morning WSJ. The cooking oil derivative costs $17.00 a gallon for the 20% blend. If we assume the rest of the mix goes for $3.11 per gallon, that yields a blended price of $5.89 a gallon, almost twice the price of Jet A. In addition the government has contributed half a billion for various aspects of the syn-fuel project.

There apparently isn't a good projection for how efficiencies would scale if the refiners (if that's the right word) expanded production.
 
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Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:57 pm

Boy was this whole thread a bummer?

I thought it was going to be something exciting!
 
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Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:24 am

Quoting par13del (Reply 32):
CO will become the first airline in the world to have been merged into another entity on one side and emerge on the other side unchanged as if it never happened.

We have a winner! That was funny!

Quoting 474218 (Reply 35):
Boy was this whole thread a bummer?

I thought it was going to be something exciting!

I disagree. I think this was one of the most hilarious threads I have read in a while. I got a good laugh out of it.
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Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:01 am

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 34):
My question got answered, for Alaska's product, by the morning WSJ. The cooking oil derivative costs $17.00 a gallon for the 20% blend. If we assume the rest of the mix goes for $3.11 per gallon, that yields a blended price of $5.89 a gallon, almost twice the price of Jet A. In addition the government has contributed half a billion for various aspects of the syn-fuel project.
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 31):
I agree it's a good start. Still, it would be nice if UA was upfront with the blended cost of the product they will be burning and the amount of government subsidy in that price

It will be interesting ....it should be noted that UA is using a 60/40 blend with the 40 being Jet-A. Also the type of synthetic fuel that UA is using is made from a different product then what AS or VS have used.
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