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US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:14 pm

Begins March 4th and is currently loaded through next September. Schedule is as follows:

US449 Dep CLT 20:30 Arr SLC 22:45
US448 Dep SLC 23:59 Arr CLT 05:54+1

Equipment is an A320.

[Edited 2011-11-06 14:16:57]
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:18 pm

Bout time US shows some love to SLC from the East! I could have sworn rather recently someone brought up in a thread why US SLC service was non-exsistant from the east hubs. Although I think PHL brought up before CLT...
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:20 pm

This fills a void as DL does not currently fly this route. It would be nice to see US add PHL to SLC as well
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:36 pm

Quoting jetsetter629 (Reply 2):
It would be nice to see US add PHL to SLC as well

I think that PHL already has DL from SLC, a daily 737, and the T100 (Q310) shows about 360 passengers per day on this route. So maybe a possibility for US here.

On the other hand, SLC-CLT shows about 170 pax per day, and with no competition, this will probably be a good deal. Only question is the redeye timing, but we'll see.

Good for all involved - US, SLC, and CLT.

 

[Edited 2011-11-06 14:37:38]
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Sun Nov 06, 2011 10:36 pm

CLT-SLC is an unserved market and it will provide a nice non-stop ski destination from CLT it wont provide a ton of business o&d however. They really should have added this at the beginning of ski season! Too late now to get those bookings as alot of Christmas and presidents week trips are already booked. They will get the pretty busy spring breaks in march and april however. Route should have no problem in the summer or ski season will have to see how the inbetween periods go. CLT offers tons of connection options and will put some new one stop pricing pressure on DL to some southeast destinations.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:03 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 3):
Only question is the redeye timing, but we'll see.

I think it's the right timing. Pretty much ideal for most domestic connections and even many Latin America connections and probably the best possible timing for business travel as well - similar to a lot of Delta's single daily long LAX flights, for instance.
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:05 pm

DL previously flew this route with a 738. The route was a victim of the 2008 Financial Crisis. I'm surprised US is using a A320 for the route, I would I have thought they would use a A319. Is the route only seasonal? I find it odd that a flight to a ski destination to operate in Spring/Summer only. They can probably get some business traffic on the route, SLC is after all the industrial banking capital of the US.

I wonder what DL's reaction will be.
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:39 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 3):

I think that PHL already has DL from SLC, a daily 737, and the T100 (Q310) shows about 360 passengers per day on this route. So maybe a possibility for US here.

On the other hand, SLC-CLT shows about 170 pax per day, and with no competition, this will probably be a good deal.

Just to clarify and perhaps avoid later confusion - those numbers are round-trip totals, so the passengers per day each way (PDEW) would be exactly half that. I agree with you that CLT-SLC is a decent-sized local market given that it is unserved and when you combine that when the connection possibilities in CLT, it should do well.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 6):
I find it odd that a flight to a ski destination to operate in Spring/Summer only.

The intent is to operate the flight year-round.

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 6):
I wonder what DL's reaction will be.

Although DL has been rather aggressive at responding to infringements on what they feel is their turf, I wouldn't expect to see any reaction here especially given they won't be competing head to head. SLC is simply one of the next logical choices for US from its CLT hub and I think DL will see it as such.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:45 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 6):
DL previously flew this route with a 738. The route was a victim of the 2008 Financial Crisis

Yes and it was O&D traffic, and seemed to be running near full most of the time as was RDU-SLC. US should have no problem filling the plane with the numerous connex via CLT (other than the lousy flight time from CLT).
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:21 am

I wonder what the market is for SLC-Florida, Carribean...

It would seem that the flight has been timed for Carribean and Florida connections...with the route running March-September it seems that's what they're aiming for... Delta has the same thing for Carribean traffic especially...Passengers taking red eyes to Atlanta to catch the morning departures from ATL.

First Florida and Carribean banks depart around 0800 in CLT... meanwhile most of the Carribean flights arrive into Charlotte during 1800-1830 giving time to make the 2030 connection to SLC.

US did a similar thing when they were trying out YUL...it was like an 2000 departure time from CLT...and a Morning flight arriving into CLT to connect to the Carribean banks...
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:26 am

I also see that at SLC US has given up the old HP gate, and moved to the one Continental left about a year ago.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:34 am

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 7):
I think that PHL already has DL from SLC, a daily 737, and the T100 (Q310) shows about 360 passengers per day on this route. So maybe a possibility for US here.

On the other hand, SLC-CLT shows about 170 pax per day, and with no competition, this will probably be a good deal.

Just to clarify and perhaps avoid later confusion - those numbers are round-trip totals, so the passengers per day each way (PDEW) would be exactly half that. I agree with you that CLT-SLC is a decent-sized local market given that it is unserved and when you combine that when the connection possibilities in CLT, it should do well.

Yes, so the combined daily passenger traffic stated here would be SLC-PHL 180, and PHL-SLC 180, with SLC-CLT at 85, and CLT-SLC 85 (probably give or take a few on any given day)




Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 5):
Quoting point2point (Reply 3):
Only question is the redeye timing, but we'll see.

I think it's the right timing. Pretty much ideal for most domestic connections and even many Latin America connections and probably the best possible timing for business travel as well
Quoting brandonfsu05 (Reply 9):
It would seem that the flight has been timed for Carribean and Florida connections...with the route running March-September it seems that's what they're aiming for...
Quoting brandonfsu05 (Reply 9):
First Florida and Carribean banks depart around 0800 in CLT... meanwhile most of the Carribean flights arrive into Charlotte during 1800-1830 giving time to make the 2030 connection to SLC.

Now that it's put this way, maybe the redeyes won't be half bad. I personally don't mind taking them, I would just tend to wonder about a family traveling with small children. The ones who I know don't really like it. But then, if there's a resort at the end of the line, well, that kinda changes things.


 
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:40 am

I think PHL could be a potential down the road a bit. SLC-PHL used to be 2x 738 with some 752's mixed in on DL before the DL/NW merger. Since the merger I believe it has come down to the current 1x 738.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:40 am

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 1):
Bout time US shows some love to SLC from the East! I could have sworn rather recently someone brought up in a thread why US SLC service was non-exsistant from the east hubs. Although I think PHL brought up before CLT...

Yup. I was the one who predicted PHL first, but as CLT had no service on any airline yet, it does look like a better choice than PHL. One of the most obvious holes to fill on the US route map - disregarding the areas currently served by the UA codeshare  
Quoting USAirALB (Reply 6):
Is the route only seasonal? I find it odd that a flight to a ski destination to operate in Spring/Summer only. They can probably get some business traffic on the route, SLC is after all the industrial banking capital of the US.

O&D and connections in CLT should be enough to drive this flight year-round. If an A320 doesn't work, a 319 would probably suffice nicely.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:46 am

I think US is going with the A320 because its not worried about filling the seats and this will allow them to sell at a lower cost per seat. I think the flight will be mostly vacationers headed to SLC and people connecting in CLT mostly to leisure destinations.

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 7):
SLC is simply one of the next logical choices for US from its CLT hub and I think DL will see it as such.

Delta tends to be extremely aggressive at defending SLC but yeah i agree it just makes sense for US to try this. They will probably price match usairways or even lower fares with a connection. Delta could jump in with A319 non red eye but i could see them providing pricing pressure on us instead. They know the loyal CLT area flyers are gonna fly US for miles if its the same price and us has alot of connection options to help them even if delta puts some pressure on.

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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:56 am

Quoting usairways85 (Reply 12):
I think PHL could be a potential down the road a bit.

Once they are able to combine east and west operations, it becomes much more likely.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:09 am

Quoting silentbob (Reply 15):
Once they are able to combine east and west operations, it becomes much more likely.

how is that? I don't think it would really make a difference. You will notice that CLT-SLC is being run with West metal.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:17 am

Is there still a big difference between US East and Wests!? Even DL is pretty much fully integrated...
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:44 am

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 16):
how is that? I don't think it would really make a difference.

Once an east crew can bring in an airplane and a west crew can take it out, it will improve the efficiency of the operation. As of now, they crews (and aircraft) are still segregated.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:42 am

Now they just need to add OKC...
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:54 am

Quoting mah584jr (Reply 19):
Now they just need to add OKC...

^ This.   

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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 2:41 pm

Quoting mah584jr (Reply 19):
Now they just need to add OKC...

I don't believe that US serves OKC period. I'd look from DSM and/or OMA to CLT first. Really thought this would have been added a couple of years ago. Just my two cents.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:26 pm

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 6):
DL previously flew this route with a 738. The route was a victim of the 2008 Financial Crisis.

Didn't Delta start CLT-SLC service in retaliation to US Airways' hostile takeover attempt? I believe they also started service between PIT-SLC and JFK-PHX.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:44 pm

Quoting mah584jr (Reply 19):
Now they just need to add OKC...
Quoting joeljack (Reply 22):
OMA to CLT first.

Both are good routes for E-Jets. I think OMA would be started before OKC because US already operates at OMA and much more expensive to open a new city than just add another flight to a city where it already operates.

Quoting FLYjoe (Reply 23):
Didn't Delta start CLT-SLC service in retaliation to US Airways' hostile takeover attempt? I believe they also started service between PIT-SLC and JFK-PHX.

I'm not really sure. It was announced late 2007, with the first flight being March 2008.
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:51 pm

It'll be interesting to see what Delta retaliates with. When it was operating 2-3 years ago, Delta
s SLC-CLT was always full. They discontinued it with the merger.

Also, the Ski season in Utah will last well into April. And if it is anything like last year, well into May.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:08 pm

Quoting jkudall (Reply 25):
It'll be interesting to see what Delta retaliates with.

I can see DL adding their own flight.

Then of course, with a low introductory fare, and a zillion FF points.

Then US will have to do the same thing.

So then SLC-CLT (or CLT-SLC) will go from having 0 n/s flights per day, to having 2 per day, and these can end up great bargains for those travelling between SLC and CLT (or CLT and SLC) if that happens.

Maybe??
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:09 pm

The only issue I have is with the lousy timing to connec to US's stellar TATL services, however, that being said, if this red eye works for the Caribbean/Latin American/Florida flights, then another daily R/T might be in the works later on. Am I correct in this thinking?
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:10 pm

Quoting jkudall (Reply 25):
It'll be interesting to see what Delta retaliates with.

Why would DL retaliate? What history does DL have of retaliation against other legacies adding routes to their largest hub?
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:13 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 28):
Quoting jkudall (Reply 25):
It'll be interesting to see what Delta retaliates with.

Why would DL retaliate? What history does DL have of retaliation against other legacies adding routes to their largest hub?

Geeee... it's barely Monday morning and already the "snarkies" are out eh?

 
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:20 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 29):
Geeee... it's barely Monday morning and already the "snarkies" are out eh?

Not from me - just asking.

CLT-SLC is a hole in DL's SLC route map, but if they start the route, it won't have much to do with US' announcement. US is going to get all of the decent yielding CLT-originating traffic and DL is going to get all of the decent yielding SLC-originating traffic - just as they do today. DL already has a 40 percent share without a nonstop.
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:28 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 30):
Not from me - just asking.

Hmmmmmm? I think that that sounds very legalese to me.....

Anyways..... all the best.

 
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:38 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 28):
Why would DL retaliate? What history does DL have of retaliation against other legacies adding routes to their largest hub?

Delta has retaliated in the past on SLC expansions. When Air Canada added SLC-Toronto Delta started a MD-90 flight immiedately to run AC out of SLC. They also have expanded and added quite a few SLC-LGB because of jetblue they don't want them to be too comfortable in SLC and did alot of pricing pressure when B6 tried to add SLC-LAS, SLC-SAN little experiment. I do think they will take it like Uniteds very recent SLC-IAD flight or AAs recent SLC-LAX flights they are just natural adds but they do have market data for how well CLT did so they will know better than us if its worth protecting. Delta is still the market leader on SLC-CLT without a non-stop so they might have a reason to protect it? I think US has a different customer and Delta won't mind too much.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:39 pm

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 32):
Delta is still the market leader on SLC-CLT without a non-stop so they might have a reason to protect it?

I think your next sentence answers that question:

Quoting slcdeltarumd11 (Reply 32):
I think US has a different customer and Delta won't mind too much.

US will pick up a ton of CLT-originating traffic, but I doubt DL gets much of that traffic anyway.
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:50 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 33):
US will pick up a ton of CLT-originating traffic, but I doubt DL gets much of that traffic anyway.

If a CLT originating pax currently wanted to do CLT-SLC on US, the connection point would be PHX, correct? That I think is somewhat out of the way, and is there a lot of that? And as stated, DL with ATL is probably the best connection point, and then probably followed by DEN as a connection point using US CLT-DEN and then *A partner UA on DEN-SLC. DFW, ORD, as well as others, would seem a bit out of the way as well for connection points on this route.

So I would imagine that since DL is the market leader here (correct?) and this is one of their major hubs, I can see retaliation here.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:04 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 34):
That I think is somewhat out of the way, and is there a lot of that?

Not really - it seems to split amongst a number of carriers (heck, AA has 20 percent of the market with no FFs to speak of on either end).

Quoting point2point (Reply 34):
So I would imagine that since DL is the market leader here (correct?) and this is one of their major hubs, I can see retaliation here.

Again, why? What is there for DL to protect? DL obviously isn't getting a lot of the CLT-originating traffic now.
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:26 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 35):
Again, why?

Well, I think that the 'why' is the easy part. If they do, it's to protect their market.

Now, if they get 40% of this traffic, and there are 85 CLT originating pax per day, at 40% m/s that puts it at about 40 pax per day going from CLT-ATL-SLC, correct?

Now, I guess a better question is that are these 40 some pax per day worth fighting over? That, my friend, I have no way of answering myself obviously.

I could see DL adding a flight if there are maybe some broader implications in giving up this market (what that would be, I wouldn't know though), or they can decide that these 40 or so pax a day really aren't worth the trouble.

Personally, I could see them go either way, to add a route or not bother. Or they could really lower fares here on the connect through ATL as another option just to put some pricing pressure on US and at least keep what they have on the SLC end. Or not bother with that either. Any of these would not surprise me, and I guess that I could see the logic with any of the above.

And I'm just assuming that the above are all the details here, correct?

  

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Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:30 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 36):
Now, if they get 40% of this traffic, and there are 85 CLT originating pax per day, at 40% m/s that puts it at about 40 pax per day going from CLT-ATL-SLC, correct?

No. They are not getting 40 percent of the CLT originators. They are getting 40 percent of the total O&D traffic, and it is (or should be) obvious that they are getting well more than 40 percent of the SLC originators.
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:31 pm

I'm still waiting to see if SEA-CLT is next in AS's bag of tricks. I never would have guessed MCI would be next out of SEA, so who knows.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:35 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 35):
Again, why? What is there for DL to protect? DL obviously isn't getting a lot of the CLT-originating traffic now.

Earlier someone mentioned that there are 85 pax per day in each direction on SLC-CLT. Another person mentioned that DL has 40% of that traffic... so 34 passengers. That leaves another 51 that are currently flying on other airlines. I am going to guess that a good portion of that traffic is flying US either via UA/DEN hub, UA/ORD or US/PHX hubs, or even CO/IAH (star miles). Add to that the east coast-SLC/vv market that is currently split between all the majors, and I think US has a good reason for thinking this flight will work.

SLC and CLT are two large banking centers as well, I suspect there's some good high yielding traffic between the two,

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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:44 pm

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 39):
Earlier someone mentioned that there are 85 pax per day in each direction on SLC-CLT. Another person mentioned that DL has 40% of that traffic... so 34 passengers.

Correct, but I bet most of that is SLC-originating. Why would someone in SLC fly any other carrier? They get SkyPesos and plentiful connections in ATL/CVG.
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:47 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 37):
No. They are not getting 40 percent of the CLT originators. They are getting 40 percent of the total O&D traffic, and it is (or should be) obvious that they are getting well more than 40 percent of the SLC originators.

Let's see if we can agree on numbers here, okay?

Quoting point2point (Reply 3):
SLC-CLT shows about 170 pax per day,

With 170 ppd, that's about 85 SLC-CLT, and then 85 CLT-SLC, yes?

If DL has 40% m/s, then that's 68 ppd for DL total. That can be interpreted as 34 ppd SLC-CLT and 34 CLT-SLC, correct?

If so, then sorry, I'm off by 6 ppd since I did the math quickly in my head rather that use a calculator.

Can we then agree to use the number 34 instead of 40 to the questions above?
(or maybe my math is still off?)


 
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 6:53 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 41):
With 170 ppd, that's about 85 SLC-CLT, and then 85 CLT-SLC, yes?

Probably a decent guess.

Quoting point2point (Reply 41):
If DL has 40% m/s, then that's 68 ppd for DL total. That can be interpreted as 34 ppd SLC-CLT and 34 CLT-SLC, correct?

Why would we assume that?
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:34 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 42):
Why would we assume that?

Well, I don't know that this is assuming. I believe that I used the word - interpret. And I interpret this as such because this is what simple math is telling us.

If there is something(s) that would skew this (and I wouldn't be surprised if there was), then we could input that as well. But absent information that we don't have here, then I would think that this at present is as good of a conclusion as we can ascertain.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:46 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 43):
Well, I don't know that this is assuming. I believe that I used the word - interpret. And I interpret this as such because this is what simple math is telling us.

You are assuming that DL has the same share of CLT originators and SLC originators - why?
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:55 pm

When DL started SLC-PIT and SLC-CLT previously, they were both announced right after US Airways had announced some trans-cons that directly competed with DL.

Quite often, when an airline expands or annoucnes a new route out of SLC (and other places), DL will step up frequencies, match the route, drop fares, etc. to fend it off.
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:57 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 44):
You are assuming that DL has the same share of CLT originators and SLC originators - why?

This isn't an assumption.

Absent any other information at this time with regards to this, this is what best can be inferred in this situation with the information that we do have.


 
 
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:01 pm

DL can be aggressive (like starting MIA-LGA after AA starts ATL-LGA, defending their hubs against LCCs especially B6, etc) but they don't seem to have a beef with US, or at least none that I've seen. From what I've read, DL regrets that they didn't crush Valujet in ATL back in the day and are trying to protect their turf against LCCs, and in the case of AA, they are direct competitors serving the same types of people so they are more hostile towards each other. US is just another carrier though, no big threat as their missions are different. I could be wrong though...
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:05 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 46):
Absent any other information at this time with regards to this, this is what best can be inferred in this situation with the information that we do have.

But we do have other information - DL has a fortress hub at SLC and a much higher share of originating passengers than US and US has a fortress hub at CLT and a much higher share of originating passengers than DL.
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RE: US Adds Charlotte-Salt Lake City

Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:38 pm

In the case of SLC-CLT as a route i am sure there is alot more passengers originating in CLT than SLC. This will be an advanatage to US and its FF base. Also united has a decently large set of FFs in SLC so this will allow the star fans a southeast hub with connections to the caribean and southeast. The red-eye i think makes sense and could work on the route.

The only other non delta holes/adds i can see for SLC are AA to MIA and B6 to BOS. Both could operate as red eyes. SLC is a pretty well served market in general.

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