kl692
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KLM At YYZ

Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:21 pm

is KL going once daily at YYZ. I just notice their beautiful B747 touch on 23 around 4:30 and it was to arrive at 3:35 which used to be the old arrival time for this flight until they went twice daily. Can anyone confirm this form me.

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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:52 am

It's a daily flight and was 42mins. delayed today. Nothing worthy of note, really.
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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:04 am

Quoting something (Reply 1):
It's a daily flight and was 42mins. delayed today. Nothing worthy of note, really.

Wasn't KL serving YYZ twice daily with 691 arriving 11 in the morning and 695 arriving 7 in the evening? Just wondering if they are now serving YYZ once daily. Anyways I couldn't find 695 on flightstats today so I am guessing they went back to once daily.
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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:06 am

Quoting kl692 (Reply 2):
I am guessing they went back to once daily.

Perhaps it's a regular winter season reduction in service?
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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:12 am

And Perhaps with WestJet feeding them pax from YYZ to YUL and onwards, They might just end up serving YYZ once daily as I am their flight from YUL is now getting fill up.
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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:30 am

Quoting kl692 (Reply 4):
And Perhaps with WestJet feeding them pax from YYZ to YUL and onwards, They might just end up serving YYZ once daily as I am their flight from YUL is now getting fill up.

They do this every winter, nothing special. And i have no idea what you are saying
 
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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:58 am

Quoting ac033 (Reply 5):
They do this every winter, nothing special.

Exactly. Summer will see double daily again.
 
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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:17 am

Is this route a "successful" one? Is that big of a route to use a 747 on?

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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:21 am

Quoting KLAX Airport (Reply 7):
Is this route a "successful" one? Is that big of a route to use a 747 on?

KL has been flying the 744 daily for years to YYZ, I have never been on one that had many seats left over but I don't fly as often as I use to.
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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:13 am

Quoting ACT7 (Reply 6):

Exactly. Summer will see double daily again.
Quoting brilondon (Reply 8):
KL has been flying the 744 daily for years to YYZ,

Not quite. Last summer, it was 13x weekly, with a mix of B744, A332 and B772

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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:41 am

Quoting KLAXAirport (Reply 7):
Is this route a "successful" one? Is that big of a route to use a 747 on?

I Have been on 691, 692 and 696 and trust me the plane was about 95 percent full. I know they are doing very well on this route which is why I was bit suprise to see them going once daily. but I am seeing 695/696 for booking in March next year. As for my reason for asking this question was due to fact that I am planning a trip ACC which will see me fly all the long and medium hual A/C KL have. this flights will operate by B777, MD11, A330 and my fav of all B747.
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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:27 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 9):
Quoting ACT7 (Reply 6):

Exactly. Summer will see double daily again.
Quoting brilondon (Reply 8):
KL has been flying the 744 daily for years to YYZ,

Not quite. Last summer, it was 13x weekly, with a mix of B744, A332 and B772

KL691/692 332 x4
KL695/696 74M x357 772 357

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Sorry, I don't live there any more and I try to keep up on what is going on in Canada, but sometimes it is a little hard to do.
Although with the 772, I would like to go with that one instead of the A332. I don't find the A330's to be as nice to fly in as the Boeing long haul aircraft.
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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:04 pm

Quoting brilondon (Reply 8):
KL has been flying the 744 daily for years to YYZ, I have never been on one that had many seats left over but I don't fly as often as I use to.

I remember seeing a KL 742 (or possibly 741) at YYZ in the winter of 1982, then a tag on AMS-YUL-YYZ.

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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:44 pm

It's often commented that the route is not large enough to fill that daily 747, however it is mix of Combi and Regular aircraft.

The 5 full size 747's are 42/36/337 and the 17 Combis have 140 less seats at 42/36/197

KLM has a flexible fleet and a route structure that allows them to swap out the Combis and vice-versa. Just yesterday PH-BFU subbed for the MD-11 on KL671.

I traveled on KL691 with PH-BFG "City of Guayaquil" last February and economy was oversold.
 
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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:02 pm

Quoting Ychocky (Reply 13):
The 5 full size 747's are 42/36/337 and the 17 Combis have 140 less seats at 42/36/197

can you tell me the registrations of the 5 full pax version??
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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:50 pm

Quoting mk777 (Reply 14):
can you tell me the registrations of the 5 full pax version??

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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 8:59 pm

Quoting Ychocky (Reply 13):
The 5 full size 747's are 42/36/337 and the 17 Combis have 140 less seats at 42/36/197

They converted a 74M to all-passenger configuration a couple of years ago so they now operate 6 all-passenger and 16 as combis, at least that's what appears in their fleet data in their current inflight magazine.
 
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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:02 pm

KLM is now flying just one daily flight which is an afternoon arrival (which is what their old schedule bascially was). These were previously morning arrivals around 1130 and departures in the evening.

They also had late evening arrivals and departures (I believe five days a week) but those have now been cancelled.
 
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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:07 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
They converted a 74M to all-passenger configuration a couple of years ago so they now operate 6 all-passenger and 16 as combis, at least that's what appears in their fleet data in their current inflight magazine.

Oh cool, will have to dig to find out the regs  
 
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RE: KLM At YYZ

Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:26 pm

Quoting Ychocky (Reply 18):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 16):
They converted a 74M to all-passenger configuration a couple of years ago so they now operate 6 all-passenger and 16 as combis, at least that's what appears in their fleet data in their current inflight magazine.

Oh cool, will have to dig to find out the regs

PH-BFH, "City of Hong Kong" (in KLM Asia livery) is the combi that is now operating in all-passenger configuration.


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RE: KLM At YYZ

Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:49 am

And I am still Convince that with WestJet feeding KL pax from YYZ to AMS via YUL, we might not see the return of 695
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