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Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:14 am

I have been reading some reports on some brazilian magazines that Avianca and TACA are planning on joining Star Alliance. Is that a fact or not?
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:41 am

Yes, AV/TA are joining Star Alliance by May 2012.
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:30 am

When you say Avianca you mean Avianca Colombia or also Avianca Brazil?
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:34 am

In the beginning only AV-Colombia. But I am sure that, after TAM leaves *A, AV Brazil and AV Ecuador (AeroGal + VIP) will join.
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:51 am

Quoting LH506 (Reply 3):
after TAM leaves *A

Is TAM really leaving Star for oneworld? I thought LATAM hasn't decided yet which alliance they will join, or whether or not LAN and TAM will be in their respective alliances?  
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:24 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 4):
Is TAM really leaving Star for oneworld? I thought LATAM hasn't decided yet which alliance they will join, or whether or not LAN and TAM will be in their respective alliances?

One of the provisions handed down by the Chilean authorities was that LATAM and AV can not be in the same alliance.
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:43 pm

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 5):
One of the provisions handed down by the Chilean authorities was that LATAM and AV can not be in the same alliance.
Quoting Akiestar (Reply 4):
Is TAM really leaving Star for oneworld? I thought LATAM hasn't decided yet which alliance they will join, or whether or not LAN and TAM will be in their respective alliances

With Avianca and Taca joining Star one has to conclude the Star alliance is reading the "tea leaves" and hedging its bet for coverage in Latin America. AV/TACA & Copa have much less desirable location them TAM for South American coverage.

LATAM is LAN's show and something atomic would have to happen for them to leave OneWorld. OW with LATAM, AA, BA and IB is going to control large shares of the market to Europe, the USA and especially the west coast of South America.
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 5:27 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 4):

Is TAM really leaving Star for oneworld?


That depends on whether LAN's takeover of TAM actually gets approval, and, if so, what conditions are imposed.

So far as I know CADE have not yet ruled whether the transaction can go ahead.

If they rule in favour ( and I am pretty sure they will  thumbsdown  ) then TAM will have to leave Star... however, if they rule against the takeover  thumbsup , or , if they rule in favour but impose conditions which are not acceptable to LAN  thumbsup  then no one really knows what will happen.

Back to the OP's question. Yes, this was announced in November of last year

http://www.staralliance.com/en/press/cmavta-prp/

....MIAMI, FLORIDA, USA – November 10th, 2010 – Star Alliance, the way the Earth connects, will be expanding its presence in Latin America following the unanimous approval by its Chief Executive Board (CEB), to accept both Avianca-TACA and Copa Airlines as future member airlines....

[Edited 2011-11-09 09:33:10]
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:58 pm

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 5):
LATAM and AV can not be in the same alliance
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 7):
then TAM will have to leave Star

Star could always become a runaway bride and avert the dangers and temptations of marital infidelity altogether. Otherwise a lot can happen in two years, as the Chilean anti-trust court gave LATAM 24 months to renounce any conflicting alliance membership.
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:10 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 8):
Star could always become a runaway bride and avert the dangers and temptations of marital infidelity altogether. Otherwise a lot can happen in two years, as the Chilean anti-trust court gave LATAM 24 months to renounce any conflicting alliance membership.

I think that you are forgetting that LAN will be in charge if the takeover goes ahead. I just don't see *A being able to persuade them to leave OW.

I also have to say that I think ethically it would be wrong for *A to give AV/TA the bum's rush for an issue that has nothing to do with them ( Yes, I know this is business and ethics don't really have anything to do with it, but in my mind it would be unethical and would leave a sour taste... much like TAM's decision to go ahead with accession to *A when they must have already been in negotiations with LAN) .
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:07 pm

Also I believe Copa will join Star Alliance (since they follow "daddy" CO everywhere), which really confuses me since Copa and Taca/Avianca are truly rivals.
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 8:20 pm

Quoting indiansbucs (Reply 10):
Also I believe Copa will join Star Alliance (since they follow "daddy" CO everywhere), which really confuses me since Copa and Taca/Avianca are truly rivals.

On could say the same about ANA and Asiana or Thai and Singapore Airlines. Nothing new here, Star alliance has many memeber airlines which are competitors in their back yards.
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:12 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 11):
On could say the same about ANA and Asiana or Thai and Singapore Airlines. Nothing new here, Star alliance has many memeber airlines which are competitors in their back yards.

They want it all, it appears...
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 9:57 pm

Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
I think that you are forgetting that LAN will be in charge

In keeping with Brazilian law (which caps foreign ownership in airlines to 20%) the Amaro family retains 80% voting rights at TAM's new parent company.

Quoting indiansbucs (Reply 10):
Copa and Taca/Avianca are truly rivals

And unlikely bedfellows.
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:16 pm

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 13):
In keeping with Brazilian law (which caps foreign ownership in airlines to 20%) the Amaro family retains 80% voting rights at TAM's new parent company.
Quoting viaggiare (Reply 13):
Quoting kiwiandrew (Reply 9):
I think that you are forgetting that LAN will be in charge

Many airline mergers have happened in the last ten years where one airline can only buy up to 49% of another because of a law. That has not stopped KLM and Air France, SWISS and Lufthansa or Iberia and BA.

LAN also owns most if not all of LAN Peru, Lan Colombia, Lan Ecuador, so they know how to navigate the Latin ownership situation. Chances of LATAM not happening are slim to almost none.
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:33 pm

If TAM leaves Star Alliance, it would be a major loss in South America. TAM controls almost half of the domestic brazilian market and a major part of the international. Star Alliance companies will then fly directly to Brazil competing with TAM and LATAM will lose altogether a lot in my oppinion.

I think if this gets approved, TAM will become LAN Brazil just like already is on some other South American countries, so becoming One World.

Avianca Brasil is very very small on marketshare, so it will be not so nice for people like me who is a Star Alliance frequent flyer to rely on Avianca to fly within Brazil. Maybe they will convert TAM points to One World.

The final word will tell us which are the conditions for the merge, which I hope never gets approved. I have the same oppinion on the Gol Webjet deal. In Brazil we have 2 major companies that controls about 90% of the market.
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:36 pm

TACA is joing star alliance in March 2012
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:55 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 14):
LAN also owns most if not all of LAN Peru, Lan Colombia, Lan Ecuador, so they know how to navigate the Latin ownership situation. Chances of LATAM not happening are slim to almost none.

It should be noted that Brazil may soon increase the foreign ownership law for airlines from 20% to 49% and TAM's international network is smaller than LAN's international network. Regardless of the combination, LAN plans to significantly increase both passenger and cargo operations in Brazil. Also, LAN's Brazilian and Mexican cargo affiliates already dominate those two markets. LAN Airlines S.A. currently has six passenger subsidiaries and four cargo affiliates in seven different countries.

Argentina: LAN Argentina
Brazil: ABSA Cargo Airline
Chile: LAN Airlines S.A.
Chile: LAN Express
Chile: LAN Cargo S.A.
Colombia: Aerovías de Integración Regional S.A. (AIRES)
Colombia: Línea Aérea Carguera de Colombia S.A. (LANCO)
Ecuador: LAN Ecuador
México: MasAir
Perú: LAN Perú S.A.
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:00 pm

If it gets increased to 49%, also is possible that the smaller airlines get a lot of foreign investments and grow in fleet size and all... However we kinda ran out of slots at the profitable routes here in Brazil...

It would be nice to have at least 4 companies competing here and to have more companies performing longhaul flights (only TAM does that now).
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:18 am

Quoting LH506 (Reply 3):
AV Brazil and AV Ecuador (AeroGal + VIP) will join.


The integration would not happen automatically.
Nowadays, I don't see Avianca Brasil fully integrated to [TACA and Avianca mainline] operations by means of any strong code-share agreement.
I found better results in certain routes operated by 2K on behalf of Avianca and/or Taca: UIO-LIM, BOG-UIO and MDE-UIO.




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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
AV/TACA & Copa have much less desirable location them TAM for South American coverage.


That argument is valid in deep South America where TAM has a vast coverage.
On the other hand, AV/TA and CM are predominant carriers over TAM in other regions of South America: Colombia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Peru, Bolivia and so forth.

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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:47 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 19):
On the other hand, AV/TA and CM are predominant carriers over TAM in other regions of South America: Colombia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Peru, Bolivia and so forth.

What about Argentina, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay? Also, TAM Brasil operates daily into CCS and TAM Airlines Paraguay operates flights to Bolivia, along with LA and LP which both serve LPB and VVI with two daily flights. TAM will have a stronger presence in *Argentina, Chile, Colombia, **Ecuador, Perú, etc. via LAN.

*TAM Brasil operates 10 daily flights into BUE and TAM Paraguay operates 2 daily flights into BUE.
**LAN Ecuador recently surpassed Aerogal in both the Ecuadorian domestic and international markets.
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:07 am

TAM and LAN definetly are the top 2 of South America. Gol is definetly #3 I suppose and maybe Aerolineas Argentinas #4. Anyone has that data?
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:22 am

Quoting renatoserra (Reply 21):

Depends in which term you mean.

Capacity-share wise in South America, its:

1. TAM
2. LAN
3. GOL
4. Avianca-Taca
5. Azul
6. Webjet (now GOL)
7. Trip
8. Aerolineas Argentinas

In the near future:

1. LATAM
2. GOL
3. Avianca-Taca
4. Azul
5. Aerolineas Argentinas
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:25 pm

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 19):
Quoting jfk777 (Reply 6):
AV/TACA & Copa have much less desirable location them TAM for South American coverage.


That argument is valid in deep South America where TAM has a vast coverage.
On the other hand, AV/TA and CM are predominant carriers over TAM in other regions of South America: Colombia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Peru, Bolivia and so forth.

Yes Avianca and Taca do control vast traffic in Colombia, Ecuador and Panama, but that is not much when compared to Brazil and Argentina.
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:42 pm

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 23):
Yes Avianca and Taca do control vast traffic in Colombia, Ecuador and Panama, but that is not much when compared to Brazil and Argentina.

Except that Colombia's traffic is way larger than Argentina's, and is in fact the second largest in the region after Brazil.

Quoting renatoserra (Reply 21):
TAM and LAN definetly are the top 2 of South America. Gol is definetly #3 I suppose and maybe Aerolineas Argentinas #4. Anyone has that data?

AviancaTaca are way larger than AR or any other airline apart from LAN, TAM and GOL. And let's not start with GOL's international connectivity, which is laughable for the market they serve.
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:09 pm

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 24):
And let's not start with GOL's international connectivity, which is laughable for the market they serve.

GOL's small international services makes sense. They are focusing on domestic opportunities, because actually flying becomes affordable to a rapidly growing portion of Brazil's population, such as the middle class. It has emerged as the fourth largest domestic market in the world. They are attracting people which before usually travelled between the states by bus, so Gol believes it is well positioned to benefit from the anticipated growth in the low end of the Brazilian domestic market.
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:18 pm

Quoting CamiloA380 (Reply 25):
GOL's small international services makes sense. They are focusing on domestic opportunities, because actually flying becomes affordable to a rapidly growing portion of Brazil's population, such as the middle class. It has emerged as the fourth largest domestic market in the world. They are attracting people which before usually travelled between the states by bus, so Gol believes it is well positioned to benefit from the anticipated growth in the low end of the Brazilian domestic market.

It may be what serves them best at the moment of course. It doesn't mean they're not letting a huge opportunity go by shrinking internationally. Not to mention it makes them less attractive to alliances.

[Edited 2011-11-10 07:18:41]
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:42 pm

GOL would fit perfectly into *A. AV-TA cover Central America, Carribean and Northern South America, GOL covers Brazil + some flights to Argentina.
How big are the chances that LH & UA can convince them (like they did with TAM) to leave their links with ST??
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:42 pm

Quoting LH506 (Reply 27):
GOL would fit perfectly into *A. AV-TA cover Central America, Carribean and Northern South America, GOL covers Brazil + some flights to Argentina.
How big are the chances that LH & UA can convince them (like they did with TAM) to leave their links with ST??

Skyteam... and specially Delta... is strongly pursuing GOL to get codeshares with them, and eventually get them enrolled into their alliance in the future.
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:33 pm

Quoting LH506 (Reply 27):
How big are the chances that LH & UA can convince them (like they did with TAM) to leave their links with ST??

GOL is leaning more towards SkyTeam and does not code-share with Star Alliance carriers. GOL already has bilateral relations with carriers such as AA, AF/KL, AR, DL, IB, etc. It appears that the Star Alliance will just have AV Brasil for feed in the Brazilian domestic market. It should be noted that TAM currently code-shares with TRIP in Brazil, which is forging closer ties with TAM. TAM may acquire up to 31% of TRIP's shares.

LATAM oneworld selection could lead to Gol opting for SkyTeam

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Gol has been keen to remain non-aligned and work with all non-Star carriers, taking advantage of the need for Brazilian feed from members of oneworld and SkyTeam as well as other non-aligned carriers such as Qatar Airways. But American and Iberia would have to drop their codeshares with Gol in favour of new deals with TAM should LATAM select oneworld. Avianca Brazil going into Star would also prohibit any Star carriers from pursuing codeshares with Gol to replace existing relationships with TAM, leaving Gol with only SkyTeam and non-aligned carriers as potential partners.

Gol already has close bilateral relationships with three key SkyTeam members – Aeromexico, Air France and Delta – and on 28-Sep-2011 unveiled plans to begin codesharing with future SkyTeam member Aerolineas Argentinas. Securing Gol, Latin America’s second largest airline group, would give SkyTeam about a 25% share of the Latin American market and three of the region’s six major airline groups
oneworld favoured with more at stake than Star in LAN-TAM alliance decision
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:36 pm

WOW, so Aerolineas in only #8. Actually it makes sense, since the domestic routes in Argentina are not that vast.

Flying has become more popular in Brazil due to the low cost low fare companies that also offer to finance without interest the airplane ticket in 10 monthly payments. Anyone can fly for 10 dollars a month....
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:18 am

Quoting indiansbucs (Reply 10):
which really confuses me since Copa and Taca/Avianca are truly rivals.

When TACA learn COPA joining Star Alliance they welcome them with open arms, and they will not compete but work together.. As for LATAM..they can only choose one alliance to join and most likely it will be with Oneworld.

I wonder what the penalty for TAM leaving Star Alliance, how much will it cost for LAN to pay the penalty??? It would be sad to lose another Brazilian carrier again.
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:14 am

Quoting aircanada014 (Reply 31):
I wonder what the penalty for TAM leaving Star Alliance, how much will it cost for LAN to pay the penalty?

I believe there is a rule that mandates a certain number of codeshares that a member must maintain. When MX dropped the UA codeshare, they fell below that level and were kicked out without having to pay a penalty. I supposed JJ could do the same thing.
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:22 am

edited as realised was off topic

[Edited 2011-11-10 17:22:56]
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:08 am

Quoting aircanada014 (Reply 31):
When TACA learn COPA joining Star Alliance they welcome them with open arms, and they will not compete but work together

All bets are off as enmity and mistrust run deep.
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:01 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 20):
What about Argentina, Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay? Also, TAM Brasil operates daily into CCS and TAM Airlines Paraguay operates flights to Bolivia, along with LA and LP which both serve LPB and VVI with two daily flights. TAM will have a stronger presence in *Argentina, Chile, Colombia, **Ecuador, Perú, etc. via LAN.

That wasn't the point of the discussion posted on reply 19.




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Quoting jfk777 (Reply 23):
Avianca and Taca do control vast traffic in Colombia, Ecuador and Panama, but that is not much when compared to Brazil and Argentina.

If TAM leaves from Star Alliance in the future, it's clear that AV-TA will not replace them into the Brazilean market, in terms of frequecies and overall coverage.
We all know that TAM and [AV-TA] won't stay into the same global alliance and that represents a trouble for Star Alliance in South America: TAM is stronger in deep South America whereas [AV-TA] has better coverage in Peru, Colombia, Ecuador, Bolivia and Venezuela.

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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:18 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 35):
That wasn't the point of the discussion posted on reply 19.

LIM will become a primary hub for LATAM. TAM offers 18 weekly flights between GRU and LIM via JJ's code-share with LP. The geographic location of LIM is well situated to offer multiple connections between destinations located in the Southern Cone and Bolivia to destinations located in Ecuador, Colombia, with-in Perú, and also to North America and the Caribbean. Examples include EZE-LIM-LAX, SCL-LIM-JFK, SCL-LIM-LAX, GRU-LIM-SFO, etc. Also, if you haven't noticed, more regional and intercontinental flights are already scheduled for next year, plus LP will open three new domestic destinations with-in Perú. JJ will also increase its code-share relationship with LP and will most likely launch new routes into LIM.
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:22 pm

Brazilian domestic traffic cannot be covered by TACA and Avianca Brasil just don't have enough slots and planes to go anywhere near it. Let's remember that, at least the way I see it, the most important thing for Star Alliance with TAM is the domestic routes. We have some heavy traffic here in domestic Brazil. Chile is nowhere near the same in domestic traffic.

Since TAM just got into Star Alliance, I guess the penalty would be heavy. But, I am also pretty sure that LAN knows exactly how much it is.

On the other hand, I wonder if LAN has a penalty to leave One World since LAN has been there since the beggining... I wonder if the whole thing will spin the other way around, with LAN leaving OW since it's not likely to have such a heavy fine or none at all and LATAM goes to Star Alliance. Anyone has intel on that?

As a Gold Member of Star with TAM, I sure do hope Star will be the winner.
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:13 pm

Quoting renatoserra (Reply 37):
Brazilian domestic traffic cannot be covered by TACA and Avianca Brasil just don't have enough slots and planes to go anywhere near it.

Poor fleet planning on AV's part. TACA cannot operate domestic flights with-in Brazil. However, AV Brasil will receive LAN's last 10 A-318 a/c within the next two years. LAN will replace its A-318 fleet with new A-319s, A-320s and A-321s, as LAN seeks to increase capacity on the majority of its domestic and regional routes.


As stipulated by the TDLC, LATAM cannot join the same alliance as AviancaTaca. As soon as LAN announced its intention to acquire TAM and its affiliates, Star Alliance reacted by inviting AvianacaTaca, Copa Airlines and Copa Airlines Colombia to join the Star Alliance. LAN has previously reiterated to the Star Alliance that LATAM will not be in the same alliance as AviancaTaca. LAN and its affiliates compete with AviancaTaca in the Colombian, Ecuadorian and Peruvian domestic markets. LAN also competes with AviancaTaca on several regional routes.
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:13 pm

Why would LAN decide to go to Star ? Such a possibility has little chance of happening. Avianca Brazil could be in for a massive expansion to become a significant "second force" in Brazilian and Latin American aviation.
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:38 pm

Quoting aircanada014 (Reply 31):
When TACA learn COPA joining Star Alliance they welcome them with open arms, and they will not compete but work together.. As for LATAM..they can only choose one alliance to join and most likely it will be with Oneworld.

Taca and Copa are like dogs and cats... in SJO they even went to legal issues to get a Lounge at the airport. Oh yes... they will love each other when they are in the same alliance... Yes... They will love to kill each other... And this is just an example on how bad their competition is... And this isnt just in SJO. They are truly rivals in Central America and also Colombia.

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 34):
All bets are off as enmity and mistrust run deep.

Our thoughts are connected in this one...
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:40 pm

Quoting indiansbucs (Reply 40):
Taca and Copa are like dogs and cats... in SJO they even went to legal issues to get a Lounge at the airport. Oh yes... they will love each other when they are in the same alliance... Yes... They will love to kill each other... And this is just an example on how bad their competition is... And this isnt just in SJO. They are truly rivals in Central America and also Colombia.

I would dare to say... that both were looking to fight to be in Star Alliance... and if they both got into it... it would be to make proof of which is stronger... not intending to work together...
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Sat Nov 12, 2011 6:49 pm

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 38):
Poor fleet planning on AV's part. TACA cannot operate domestic flights with-in Brazil. However, AV Brasil will receive LAN's last 10 A-318 a/c within the next two years.

Avianca Brasil will NOT *just* receive A318s that have been with LAN. It is to receive brand new A320s as some orders have been modified. This is very positive about an airline that is small ,with only 22 airplanes, but that is steady in growth, and some of whose markets now require more capacity.
It is not to be hurried in its growth, but growth it will do at its pace. Expect a rather large order of A320s very soon (AV-TA's order for A320 NEOs did not include requirements for the brazilian operation, which are being negotiated as a separate transaction)
 
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RE: Taca And Avianca To Join Star Alliance?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:15 am

[quote=SCL767,reply=17]It should be noted that Brazil may soon increase the foreign ownership law for airlines from 20% to 49% and TAM's international network is smaller than LAN's international network. Regardless of the combination, LAN plans to significantly increase both passenger and cargo operations in Brazil. Also, LAN's Brazilian and Mexican cargo affiliates already dominate those two markets. LAN Airlines S.A. currently has six passenger subsidiaries and four cargo affiliates in seven different countries.

Argentina: LAN Argentina
Brazil: ABSA Cargo Airline
Chile: LAN Airlines S.A.
Chile: LAN Express
Chile: LAN Cargo S.A.
Colombia: Aerov

Hi SCL767: what is the ownership structure of the different LAN subsidiaries (if that is what they are called)?