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MH Axes DXB, JNB, CPT, EZE In Feb 2012 But Add AUH

Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:41 am

A surprised news from MH following the silence from them after the share swap with AK.

MH is to withdraw from DXB entirely, leaving EK with its 3 daily flight on the route, one of which will be operated by the A380 beginning 1 Jan 2012, and IY - an insignificant player.

But the airline is adding AUH to its network.

MH will leave the 6 Continents Club when its ultimate far flung route KUL-CPT-EZE vv which has been the long standing amazement and fascination by some for many years will finally be suspended. JNB will also be suspended thus is will officially absent from South America and Africa. Rumour has it that D7 will resume Malaysia's mission to South Africa.

All international flights from BKI will be terminated as MH will yet again close BKI as its Eastern hub. The flip flopping at BKI is acute.

MH will also relocate its head quarters for the second time in a decade.

All were done in serious efforts to cut cost and save the airline from further losing. MH reported a net loss of close to RM 800 million in the first half of 2011.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story...1/10/business/9873222&sec=business

[Edited 2011-11-09 18:45:51]
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:47 am

I'm a bit surprised to see that JNB is being axed -- I thought that was a bit of a performer in the MH network. Whenever I've looked at MH for my flights home, they've been, by far, the most expensive.

I guess that either means the flights have been selling well, or so over-priced they've been going out empty.

I know many of the crews didn't like the KUL - CPT - EZE flights, but the CPT layover was popular. The JNB layover seemed to be popular as well ... will have to see what my crew grapevine says about this.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:54 am

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
MH will leave the 6 Continents Club when its ultimate far flung route KUL-CPT-EZE vv which has been the long standing amazement and fascination by some for many years will finally be suspended.

This is surprising. They maintained EZE for years even when the Argentine economy was in the dumps, and was very popular for Argentines. Many got to Asia for the first time with them on honeymoons or just to try something different from MIA. Plus, there has always been a traditional travel market between Argentina and South Africa that MH served perfectly well.

Maybe it´s become very hard to compete for them now with all the Middle East cariers operating to EZE, plus QF going West?
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:03 am

I flew to CPT last week for a holiday. Load on both sectors was incredibly high (100% for KUL-CPT and more than 90% for CPT-KUL in the Economy Class).

Interesting observation - a significant number of travelers are Chinese national who came from/heading to China and the majority was on their way to/from EZE. Not many people disembark or join the flight in CPT. KUL-CPT sector was served by a Spanish speaking MH stewardess from Mexico named Adriana, who made all the Spanish announcements for the flight. CPT-KUL sector was joined by a male mandarin speaking steward whose presence was actually a saviour to the MH crew on that flight. Chinese passengers to/from China are quite a PITA - they are smelly, loud and ignorant. Sorry to say but it is true.

Understood what failed the route is not because of load nor pricing (return ticket to CPT in Economy Class is sold at the range of RM 7,000 which is higher when compared to other competitors), but rather the restriction of frequency by the South African government (MH is stuck with only 2 weekly flight), the far distance (to EZE) and the current jet fuel price (since MH is operating a fuel inefficient quad engine aircraft on the route). And of course, MH has a larger excess luggage than any other normal legacy airlines. I think I am lucky to be able to fly the route, although halfway, before it is being cut.
 
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RE: MH Axes DXB, JNB, CPT, EZE In Feb 2012 But Add AUH

Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:56 am

As per our GDS source:

Quote:
KUL JNB
KUL CPT EZE
KUL DXB DMM
KUL DXB (except KUL KHI DXB)
are all confirmed cancelled, as MH updated its reservation system in the past 20-30 minutes.

BKI HND
BKI ICN
are to be axed from 01FEB12. Currently waiting for MH to zero out every class of service. Currently some dates after 01FEB12 showing J/Y/B/H available but the rest is closed.

This is MH's massive route cut since early 2006 when the airline first started its Business Turnaround Plan.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:49 am

Quoting Brenintw (Reply 1):

I know many of the crews didn't like the KUL - CPT - EZE flights, but the CPT layover was popular. The JNB layover seemed to be popular as well ... will have to see what my crew grapevine says about this.

Hmm probably depends who you ask. The trip is long very long and the allowances more than make up for it for those that dont have families.
As always in MH there is a certain favouritism in regards to who gets what routes and I think a quick check on the roster says more about how popular the route is than anything else...

A nonstop to either Joburg or Capetown might have worked, but not necessarily, as its very low yielding for MH.
South Africans aren't a major travelling group to Malaysia. The route has been driven by lower yielding African, Antipodean and Asian pax making connections. That never makes money and especially not when we talk these distances and often more connections at the end of the journey.
The rumour was that a famous Malaysians huge investment in a ranch in Argentina kept this route alive and kicking. Whenever the route was questioned it was said that no one dared to cancel it because of this knowledge despite the fact the famous person never ever was involved or demanded the route to be kept. I have no clue if that rumour is true or not...

The hub in BKI always fails. Flying Korean holidaymakers to BKI might have worked before Korean and Asiana started flights to BKI. Now? feels like 3 years to late.
And Japan, why?
My guess would be that the next big group of tourists to KK will be mainland Chinese. I know that Sabah used to discuss this with the chinese government. Thats where you can start flights however these routes are better for Air Asia etc.
BKI is in my humble opinion best served to/from KL only.
Let MasWings handle all Sabah/Sarawak traffic and be done with it.
Must be about a year ago now that staffbase and functions etc for Maswings closed down in Miri (MYY) and went to KK (BKI) so everything there already.
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:53 am

Hey Azizul, my mate, long time no see !!!

Wow, shocking news to nibble on... I know, the South American run had always been a loser for MAS, but I thought that with the surge being experienced by the Argentinian economy, all sectors involved were about to break even. On the other hand, I thought Kota Kinabalu was doing great with traffic to and from Japan... what happened there ?

Sad to see that MAS has not been able to achieve an adequate performance, already for some many years...maybe the carrier still too fat, an in view of the fierce competition from other guys like Air Asia and Emirates, well, a skinnier lady would be in order.

... I am one of those that still think the A380 in MH´s fleet is a mistake, oh well...   

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Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:30 am

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 5):
however these routes are better for Air Asia etc.
BKI is in my humble opinion best served to/from KL only.

Will it make sense for MH to drop domestic network altogether except connecting flights out of KUL to KBI, KCH, LGK, PEN?

Speaking of KUL-KBI O&D market, AK's one way is around 109 MYR (almost $40) after tax if you book way ahead. The government could make it as difficult as possible for people to connect at KUL but most would rather go through crowded LCCT for such a deal.

Let's hope they're not cutting any further, of the 3 airlines serving LAX-TPE, MH is my favorite over BR and CI when flying economy along with a chance for I class upgrade through Optiontown.
 
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RE: MH Axes DXB, JNB, CPT, EZE In Feb 2012 But Add AUH

Thu Nov 10, 2011 9:28 am

Does this mean PER-BKI will be axed!? BI just stopped PER-BWN, so surely this would be helping loads.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 10:02 am

And why aren't DXB work for MH If it work for EK? ven to the extend of starting an A380 service? D7 dropped AUH few months ago due to rumoured "bad load factor"...And MH had to pick up this route?

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
Rumour has it that D7 will resume Malaysia's mission to South Africa.

I smell something fishy here...looks like AK/D7 is slowly eating up MH market share from the back door.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:31 am

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
MH is to withdraw from DXB entirely, leaving EK with its 3 daily flight on the route, one of which will be operated by the A380 beginning 1 Jan 2012, and IY - an insignificant player.

Crazy decision! They should send the A380 to DXB to compete with EK on its OZ and Asia routes! I can see Tim Clark's happy grin all the way from here!

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
But the airline is adding AUH to its network.

Ouch!
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:44 am

Not the best year for Oneworld (who I still don't see bringing much value to MH).

Mexicana, American and JAL all in financial trouble. MH and Kingfisher not doing the best. Qantas having some quite public problems. IAG seems to be the only real performer right now.

It is sad to see the routes cut as well. But if they aren't making money, no reason to keep them around. Has there been any certainity placed on where the A380 will be deployed?

I hope MH turns it around and starts doing better!
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:16 pm

WHY MAS flew all the way to Argentina all those years is beyond me. Even if the cargo revenue was good it should be a freght run not a 747 combi run.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 12:42 pm

Another ailing airline from SE Asia. This route to EZE was purely political. Never made sense and probably never will.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:28 pm

Can anyone chip in on how the DAMMAM flights performed? The times were hardly ideal, but how did it fare pax numbers wise?

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Thu Nov 10, 2011 1:47 pm

I really hope MH thought this one - over and over again... to me these cuts seem extensive, but lets hope the boys in KUL know what they are doing.

And yes, EK and SQ, SA are smiling from ear to ear....
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:04 pm

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 11):
Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 11):

Mexicana, American and JAL all in financial trouble
Mexicana hasn't flown a single flight in over a year. They effectively aren't an airline.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 2:22 pm

Good, get rid of routes that are only held on for prestige or politics. CPT and JNB I can not see being the highest yield, so much tourist traffic and ULH into the mix. EZE Seems purely prestige, and DXB is just EK's territory. I think this is a good move much like what JAL is doing. Yes it is nice to see this widebodies all over the world and these destinations will be missed, but I would rather have a profitable MH instead of a bankrupt MH.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:22 pm

Just an update from the GDS source:

Quote:
BKI-KIX is gone.
KUL-KHI-DXB is gone as well from 1 Dec 2011.

MH withdraws from Pakistan too.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:08 pm

Im very dissapointed they are cutting the EZE and CPT/JNB route (Selfish way). I was hoping that we can finally do a XONE3 (Oneworld RTW product) avoiding the northern hemisphere!

Quoting vincewy (Reply 7):
Let's hope they're not cutting any further, of the 3 airlines serving LAX-TPE, MH is my favorite over BR and CI when flying economy along with a chance for I class upgrade through Optiontown.

With AA's corner stone hub at LAX once they enter OW we can see this flight go to Daily with feed from AA.
AA will definetly drop its codeshare with BR on this route. I think the TPE-LAX-TPE route will be a good money maker for MH once codeshare begins with AA. This route might even be upgraded to A380 if it turns around alot with entry to OW.
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:15 pm

Kind of sad but somewhat expected given the trends in the aviation world these days. Prestige routes are becoming fewer and further in between. No way can a struggling airline maintain 2x weekly flights to far-flung, lower-yielding destinations on higher-CASM aircrafts to operate when paired up against growing Middle Eastern carriers with competitive schedules, newer aircraft, and the backing of a powerful connecting hub on the other end. i pin this decision largely on the market effects of EK and QR's growth in Latin America.
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:27 pm

Now the big question.
what is their sudden interest in AUH?

Codeshares with Eithad on the cards?
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:45 pm

Well SQ is making a killing on SIN-BCN-GRU. Even though it's only three times a week the load factors are 90% most days, and SQ wants to go daily but the current Brazil bilateral does not allow for this. The performance of this route has completely surpassed SQ's expectations.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:21 pm

Its good MH refocus on profitability again.

Maybe the former CEO Idris Jala left some notes in his desk for the current regime to follow.

It seemed to me MH was slipping further backwards from the tenants of its 2007 turn-around plan, especially in areas such as staffing, where MH remains bloated and inefficient.

Quoting KL808 (Reply 19):
I think the TPE-LAX-TPE route will be a good money maker for MH once codeshare begins with AA. This route might even be upgraded to A380 if it turns around alot with entry to OW.

Your impressions of code-shares are vastly over stated. Even QF only gets about 100 or so daily AA pax at LAX and that is for 4-5 daily flights. AA-MH code-share will not be some traffic miracle.

But anyhow, getting bodies is not the problem for MH, they do quite all right (2011 LAX LF is 84.1% through Sept.), and remember they served LAX for decades with up to 747 equipment. The problem is doing it profitably. LAX-TPE is a notoriously lower yielding market in which consolidator travel agents playing a key roll selling seats while KUL is simply not much of a market from the US.

In many ways, MH is simply not relevant across the Pacific, by not providing or bringing anything unique or irreplaceable to the market. Even for LAX-KUL traffic segment, both SQ and CX carry more local O&D passengers.
Same problem exist in Europe where MH largely chases a budget customer segment including pushing connections to places like Australia. Hardly the most profitable type of clientele.
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:38 pm

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
All international flights from BKI will be terminated as MH will yet again close BKI as its Eastern hub. The flip flopping at BKI is acute.

Not all international flights are being terminated. We still have HKG, TPE and PER  
Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 5):
The hub in BKI always fails. Flying Korean holidaymakers to BKI might have worked before Korean and Asiana started flights to BKI. Now? feels like 3 years to late.

MAS has been serving this route much longer than OZ or KE. As a matter of fact, MAS started flying to Seoul from BKI way back in the early 90s. However, for some reason, they just couldn't make it work.

I am not sure about KE but OZ apparently is doing very good in BKI. I flew them very recently. The flight to ICN had about 10 vacant seats while the return flight was full both in Business and Economy Class. Most of the passengers were Korean and this sector (BKI/ICN) is very much an O&D route for OZ.

OZ actually planned to increase their BKI flight to daily back in 2008 but that did not happen and we all know why. Now with MH withdrawing from this sector, OZ may just turns out to be the biggest beneficiary for this route because this means one less competition for them   

By the way, MH's code-share partner on this route (BKI/ICN), KE is still flying to BKI albeit seasonal. If both the Korean carriers are still flying to BKI, it means BKI isn't that bad right ? Why a carrier with an operating cost far lower than the Korean carriers couldn't make this route work is just beyond me  
Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 5):
My guess would be that the next big group of tourists to KK will be mainland Chinese.

It kind of already is. Many of them go to BKI on KA via HKG. Many tourists from Mainland China also fly MH via HKG, transferring from China Eastern Airlines. I guess this is the reason why both KA and MH flights between BKI/HKG are always full.


Quoting Ben175 (Reply 8):
Does this mean PER-BKI will be axed!? BI just stopped PER-BWN, so surely this would be helping loads.

No news on that yet. Last time i heard MH is doing very good on their PER flight and the load far exceeded their expectation but then... anything can happen.


Quoting changyou (Reply 9):
And why aren't DXB work for MH If it work for EK? ven to the extend of starting an A380 service? D7 dropped AUH few months ago due to rumoured "bad load factor"...And MH had to pick up this route?

Don't be too surprised. MAS always makes losses even on the same routes that other airlines are making money. One perfect example is BKI/ICN. MAS has been serving BKI/Seoul for close to 20 years now but is still making losses. OZ on the other hand, which started BKI/ICN just 8 years ago is making money. And this is an airline based in South Korea whose operating cost is much higher.

[Edited 2011-11-10 09:41:46]
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:50 pm

Wish they had retained KHI with downgrade to 738 via some other city.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:03 pm

I realized MH wasn't doing well... I didn't realize how much they had to contract...

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 10):
They should send the A380 to DXB to compete with EK on its OZ and Asia routes! I can see Tim Clark's happy grin all the way from here!

Only if DXB is popular. DXB is a huge Wayport. But Wayports have low yeild. I expect MH will do much better with EY.

Note: I'm assuming EY is still gearing towards OneWorld membership? Note: I'm asking as I haven't heard anything for years. OW is definately showing 'weakness' in 2010/2011.  

This should make Tim Clark happy. EY needs the midfield terminal (due in 2016) and 2nd runway to truly compete with EK's connectivity. This takes 'lone leg' of the competition away. Perhaps EK will increase the frequency?

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 11):
Not the best year for Oneworld (who I still don't see bringing much value to MH).

Which alliance would bring in more value? SQ is not only in *A, but they also codeshare with AF.   

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Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:19 pm

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 11):
Mexicana, American and JAL all in financial trouble. MH and Kingfisher not doing the best. Qantas having some quite public problems. IAG seems to be the only real performer right now.

What about Cathay Pacific Airways, LAN Airlines S.A. and their oneworld affiliate carriers? Also, JAL recently posted a profit.
 
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Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:43 pm

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 11):
It is sad to see the routes cut as well. But if they aren't making money, no reason to keep them around. Has there been any certainity placed on where the A380 will be deployed?

No certainty placed on any routes as yet I dont think but there has been plenty of talk for them to be deployed on KUL-SYD-KUL, KUL-LHR-KUL and KUL-AMS-KUL
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:32 am

I just came back from a PER-BKI-KCH-BKI-PER trip on Tuesday and I have to say the loads on the PER-BKI-PER sectors were nothing short of embarrasing for MH.

I was seated in row 25 and I had the entire rear section of the B738W to myself and going outbound from PER it was a similar story.

I struggle to see that flight lasting too much longer.
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:43 am

Quoting changyou (Reply 9):
I smell something fishy here...looks like AK/D7 is slowly eating up MH market share from the back door.

Sigh... I dread the day when we Malaysians are stuck with AK/D7 after the demise (horror of horrors!) of MH. Tony F isn't as benign as he appears in public..... In East Malaysia we had the experience of Fly Asian Xpress (former name of Air Asia X, D7) getting a near "monopoly" of the intra-Sabah and Sarawak flights, and how they thoroughly screwed up everything and ran the fleet of Fokker F50s "inherited" from MAS into the ground. IIRC, they actually practised cannibalizing aircraft parts! It got so ridiculous - say you booked a flight from Kuching to Bintulu. Come that day, you might be told sorry, the KCH-BTU flight is cancelled, we'll fly you to Sibu and from there we'll put you on a bus/coach to Bintulu!

Quoting 9MMAR (Thread starter):
All international flights from BKI will be terminated as MH will yet again close BKI as its Eastern hub. The flip flopping at BKI is acute.

Wow, and after all that money poured in to upgrade the BKI airport to modern standards....

A question on the status of MH2616/MH2617 (KUL-BKI v.v. operated on Mon Wed Sat using A330) - has this one been chopped as well? I understand it's "costly" to operate a widebody, and I've always suspected this one's a candidate for the chop. I dread the day when no more widebodies (at least from MH) call at BKI. We've seen MH80/81 (KUL-BKI-NRT) and MH51 (KUL-BKI-KIX), both previously operated with the 777, either chopped or downgauged to the 738. In fact, even BKI-TPE and BKI-ICN used to be A330.
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:35 am

so how many B737's does MH now operate, how many are going back to them via the changes to Firefly and how many are being delivered over the next 12 months?
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:50 am

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 30):
A question on the status of MH2616/MH2617 (KUL-BKI v.v. operated on Mon Wed Sat using A330) - has this one been chopped as well?

No. It hasn't. On days that the load is not good, it will be downgraded to a 734 or 738 in the last minute. Happened to me a few times already.

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 30):
We've seen MH80/81 (KUL-BKI-NRT) and MH51 (KUL-BKI-KIX), both previously operated with the 777, either chopped or downgauged to the 738.

it wasn't chopped or downgauged. Just that the KUL tag-on was removed and when they received the new 738, they deployed it on these routes and increase the frequency from 2x weekly to 4x weekly.

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 30):
In fact, even BKI-TPE and BKI-ICN used to be A330.

BKI/TPE hasn't been operated by a 333 since the SARS outbreak in 2003. When MH downgraded the flight from a 333 to a 734, it was initially flown just 4 times a week but was later increased to daily.

As for the BKI/ICN sector, it was flown with the 333 twice weekly since the mid-2000s and was recently downgraded to a 738. However, flight frequency was increased from twice weekly to 4x weekly.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 31):
so how many B737's does MH now operate, how many are going back to them via the changes to Firefly and how many are being delivered over the next 12 months?

MAS itself has more than 50x 737 in operation and more 738 are on the way, both the lease ones as well as the fresh from factory one they ordered themselves. And no. They have not retired a single 734 yet. Their 737 have a very low daily utilization rate now.
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:27 am

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 32):
No. It hasn't. On days that the load is not good, it will be downgraded to a 734 or 738 in the last minute. Happened to me a few times already.

By the looks of it, you've booked MH2617/2616 for the A330 versus the 737, if it's happened to you "a few times already". I'd be absolutely livid if that happened to me :O

It was my luck that I've flown a few times on rather empty 777s and A330s between BKI and KUL several years ago   granted that most of them were the domestic tag from NRT or ICN to KUL.

While on the widebody topic, I do recall that around 2001 even MNL-BKI-KUL was on the A333. Going back even further, there was a A300 plying daily(?) between SIN and BKI (during the glory days of the 80s), and now, I see MH doesn't even serve this route anymore, ceding the territory to MI and AK!
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:15 am

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 33):
By the looks of it, you've booked MH2617/2616 for the A330 versus the 737, if it's happened to you "a few times already". I'd be absolutely livid if that happened to me :O

I wasn't happy for sure but what to do. However, there was one time that they changed to the 738 in the last minute and two of the cabin crews in Economy were Japanese. I have always found MAS Japanese crews to be the best!

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 33):
It was my luck that I've flown a few times on rather empty 777s and A330s between BKI and KUL several years ago   granted that most of them were the domestic tag from NRT or ICN to KUL.

I flew MH81 and MH80 once a month between 2002 - 2008 (MH81 on Thursday night to KL & MH80 on Sunday night back to KK). Flights between 2002 - 2006 on the BKI-KUL sector were never full. As a matter of fact, the load was mostly less than 30%. However, things kinda changed starting in 2007. Loads between BKI/KUL picked up and remained so until MAS removed the KUL tag-on.

Anyway, i am kinda surprised that they are suspending the HND flight from BKI too. Last time when it was still operated by a 772, MH81 was rather full most of the time with most of the passengers disembarked in BKI. So it means the O&D traffic between Kota Kinabalu and Tokyo is actually quite high.

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 33):
While on the widebody topic, I do recall that around 2001 even MNL-BKI-KUL was on the A333.

Yes. They did. One of the 333 flights to MNL from BKI made the news. If my memory serves me correctly, there was an explosion in one of its engines.

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 33):
Going back even further, there was a A300 plying daily(?) between SIN and BKI (during the glory days of the 80s), and now, I see MH doesn't even serve this route anymore, ceding the territory to MI and AK!

Yes you are right! Besides the daily AB3 to SIN from BKI, MAS also used to fly the AB3 from BKI to HKG. Those were the days  
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:09 am

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 34):
If my memory serves me correctly, there was an explosion in one of its engines.

I remember it was a 777 operating as MH81, that had engine "explosion".

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 34):
MAS also used to fly the AB3 from BKI to HKG.

In Jan 1989 they substituted the AB3 with a DC10 once a week - I had the fortune of flying on it, despite the very narrow 3-4-3 seats. And during those glory days, CX even flew the L1011 to BKI - remember seeing it once circa 1993. And oh, I even recall my mother flying BKI-SIN on CX in 1980 (guess CX had 5th freedom in those days) - it was operated using a Convair 880 (or 990??)

In fact, during the mid-90s up to around 2002/03, even MH's 747s occassionally called at BKI. (In Jan 2003 I flew a ICN-BKI-KUL tag flight on a 744. Another time was in 2000, when they mounted holiday season extra flights with the 744.)

It's regrettable with all that's currently going on.... I hope MH isn't in terminal decline. As I said earlier, Tony F isn't as benign as he appears in public. I dread the day when he's in a position to hold us to ransom.....
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:43 am

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 35):
I remember it was a 777 operating as MH81, that had engine "explosion".

That was another incident.

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 35):
And during those glory days, CX even flew the L1011 to BKI - remember seeing it once circa 1993.

Yeah. My mom flew them to HKG from BKI back in the early 80s. CX had 3x weekly flights to BKI then and their last scheduled flight to BKI was sometime in 1996.

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 35):
And oh, I even recall my mother flying BKI-SIN on CX in 1980 (guess CX had 5th freedom in those days) - it was operated using a Convair 880 (or 990??)

CX still has this 5th freedom rights. This route is now flown with a 744.

Quoting 777MAS (Reply 35):
As I said earlier, Tony F isn't as benign as he appears in public. I dread the day when he's in a position to hold us to ransom.....

I totally agree with you!!!   
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:21 am

Latest news just came in. Reservations for flights to EZE, CPT, DMM, DXB, JNB and KHI have all been reopened, suggesting that they are not withdrawing from these cities after all. Typical typical... This can always change of course.
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:32 am

Quoting luckyone (Reply 16):
Mexicana, American and JAL all in financial trouble
Mexicana hasn't flown a single flight in over a year. They effectively aren't an airline.

Well, I don't think the fat lady has sung yet, but it is getting close.

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 26):
Which alliance would bring in more value? SQ is not only in *A, but they also codeshare with AF

I know what you are saying Lighty, and my guess is that with taking GA closed out MH's opportunity for Skyteam. However, while GA is on the right track (and probably will be in a better position in about five to ten years), GA is a decade away from being able to compete with MH and SQ in that area of the world.

As with Star, with TG and SQ there was no space.

My concern is it seems that QA is going to set up something in that region to directly compete with MH, so even though QA is the sponsor, who knows how acrimonious that marriage will be.

I guess my point is that, while no alliance offered a great option, I still believe that Skyteam would have been the best.

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 27):
What about Cathay Pacific Airways, LAN Airlines S.A. and their oneworld affiliate carriers? Also, JAL recently posted a profit.

JAL still has a long way to go to becoming a very solid airline again. They will get there, but they have some work to do.

CX is a great and successful airline. However, they actually cause a big problem for oneworld. CX is not a Chinese airline, they are a HKG airline. However, the one airline left on the mainland that oneworld could possibly get to join is Hainan. However, with Hainan setting up HK Airlines, I wouldn't be surprised if CX blocks Hainan's membership. So while CX is a incredibly great airline that is very profitable, they could cause oneworld not to have a carrier in one of the fatest growing markets in the world.

LAN is a great airline as well, but it remains to be seen if it will even be in oneworld in a year or two if/when the TAM merger is approved.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:26 am

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 38):
JAL still has a long way to go to becoming a very solid airline again. They will get there, but they have some work to do.

JAL is already benefiting from its restructuring during bankruptcy protection. JAL's full year operating profit is expected to be double ANA levels, with a net income six-times ANA levels. Last month, LAN Airlines S.A. entered into a bilateral code-share relationship with JAL.

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 38):
So while CX is a incredibly great airline that is very profitable, they could cause oneworld not to have a carrier in one of the fatest growing markets in the world.

LAN has a great relationship with CX. Both LAN Airlines S.A. and LAN Perú S.A. have a bilateral code-share relationship with CX. Also, cargo is a huge source of revenue for both CX and LAN. CX and LAN Cargo have interline agreements which benefit both companies. CX provides LAN with access to the Asian market and LAN provides CX access to the Latin American market.

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 38):
LAN is a great airline as well, but it remains to be seen if it will even be in oneworld in a year or two if/when the TAM merger is approved.

LAN is rapidly growing with passenger affiliates in five different countries and cargo affiliates in four different countries. LAN will soon launch its newest passenger affiliate, LAN Colombia. LAN and TAM cannot be in the same alliance as AviancaTaca. Star Alliance has already selected AviancaTaca to join that alliance. LAN and TAM will not join SkyTeam since SkyTeam has selected AR to join that alliance and LA/JJ will not want to be in the same alliance as AR for obvious reasons.
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:40 am

Quoting SCL767 (Reply 39):
LAN and TAM cannot be in the same alliance as AviancaTaca. Star Alliance has already selected AviancaTaca to join that alliance. LAN and TAM will not join SkyTeam since SkyTeam has selected AR to join that alliance and LA/JJ will not want to be in the same alliance as AR for obvious reasons.

I don't disagree about LA/TAM joining Skyteam. Regrettably, Skyteam was very slow moving in South America and has missed most opportunities.

In regards to which way LA/TAM go (One or Star), I think we can speculate as much as we like, but until the merger is totally approved and an announcement is made, I think my statement is still valid.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:56 am

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 40):
In regards to which way LA/TAM go (One or Star), I think we can speculate as much as we like, but until the merger is totally approved and an announcement is made, I think my statement is still valid.

Highly unlikely since the TDLC stipulated that LA/JJ cannot be in the same alliance as AviancaTaca. Has the Star Alliance disinvited AviancaTaca from joining that alliance? Also, LAN has been in the oneworld alliance for 11 years and LAN's CEO recently stated that LAN highly values oneworld hubs at MAD, MIA and SYD. LAN has stated that the merger between British Airways and Iberia will benefit all members of the oneworld alliance including LAN and TAM's CEO recently compared the combination between LAN and TAM to that of IAG. The references to IAG are quite consistent...
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:05 pm

Just discovered MH quit Beirut, when did this happen?

[Edited 2011-11-11 04:26:41]
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:10 pm

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 37):
Reservations for flights to EZE, CPT, DMM, DXB, JNB and KHI have all been reopened, suggesting that they are not withdrawing from these cities after all. Typical typical...

WTH???!!!
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:24 pm

Quoting Dellatorre (Reply 13):
Another ailing airline from SE Asia. This route to EZE was purely political. Never made sense and probably never will.

What was the political reason?
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:40 pm

Yes, reservation is open again in GDS. We'll see if we get any official announcement soon.   If we see some of these go, can we expect MH try to offload some 744s? From what I've heard they are far from utilized to full potential, and dropping KUL-CPT-EZE will certainly not help in that matter.
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:47 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 42):
Just discovered MH quit Beirut, when did this happen?

Anyone?
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:46 pm

BEY was silently withdrawn before 30 October. Probably mid year. It was done in silence. Nobody knows about it, out of sudden BEY is gone.
 
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:34 pm

Quoting byronicle6 (Reply 28):

The 1st A380 has been confirmed to operate to LHR starting July 2012.

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 47):

I'm not completely sure (due to the silent withdrawal of the service) but i seem to remember BEY was pulled somewhere in March, maybe April of this year. Little was said about it but i did hear rumours about increased security cost being one of the reasons behind it. Beyond that it is just as much of a mystery to me.
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Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:44 pm

Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 43):
WTH???!!!

Because nothing has changed at MH 
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