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BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:13 am

BA have loaded two new rotations for the Summer 2012 Season.

Starting 29 April they will operate a single daily flight from LHR to Bologna:

LHR-BLQ, BA540. d. 0930. a. 1235
BLQ-LHR. BA541. d. 1335. a. 1445

It is not clear to me whether this is an additional flight or a transfer of one of the three daily flights to BLQ operated from LGW last summer.

There will also be an additional daily flight to AMS:

LHR-AMS. BA432. d. 1900. a. 2110
AMS-LHR. BA433. d. 2225. a. 2225

The outward flight is timed etween BA442 that departs at 1755 and the night stopping BA444 that departs at 2000.
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:23 am

On top of that BA is adding one additional daily flight to BRU and BCN.

Brussels goes from 6 to 7 daily flights:

* New flight

LHR-BRU daily BA400 18:45-20:55
BRU-LHR daily BA401 21:55-22:05

Barcelona goes from 8 to 9 daily flights:

* New flight

LHR-BCN daily BA488 08:30-11:35
BCN-LHR daily BA489 14:40-16:00

It seems strange to me that they are adding new flights to BRU and AMS. The BCN aircraft sits on the ground for 3 hours. Those slots could be eaily used for longer routes to say CMN, LIS, TUN or ALG. Interesting to see that the 4th LIS rotation is not back next summer.
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:03 am

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 1):
LHR-BCN daily BA488 08:30-11:35
BCN-LHR daily BA489 14:40-16:00

It seems strange to me that they are adding new flights to BRU and AMS. The BCN aircraft sits on the ground for 3 hours.

It could be the slot sitting on the some of the ex-BD slot pairs recently bought from LH.

In the last summer timetable the LHR-BCN-LHR services included:

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA472. 06:25-09:25
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA479. 11:00-12:20

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA478. 07.10-10:25
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA473. 11:40-13:00

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA484. 09:20-12:25
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA485. 13:25-14:40

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA474. 11:15-14:20
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA475. 16:40-17:55

Originally (before BA took over IB's LHR-BC/N flights) the above flights operated in numeric pairs. So BA472 returned as BA473. It therefore seems likely that next summer the aircraft operating BA488 will return as BA485 giving:

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA472. 06:25-09:25
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA479. 11:00-12:20

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA478. 07.10-10:25
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA473. 11:40-13:00

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA488. 08:30-11:35
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA485. 13:25-14:40

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA484. 09:20-12:25
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA489. 14:40-16:00

LHR-BCN. Daily. BA474. 11:15-14:20
BCN-LHR. Daily. BA475. 16:40-17:55

While that will mean no one aircraft remains on the ground at BCN for three hours the combined time on the ground of all BA aircraft at BCN will still increase more than it might do. But I guess that's the sort of problem you face if the hub you operate from is slot constrained.
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:13 am

Does anyone know the normal cost on the AMS flight through BA? KLM offers the flight for normally about 100 quid, which is an awesome offer.
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:36 am

Quoting TeamInTheSky (Reply 3):
Does anyone know the normal cost on the AMS flight through BA? KLM offers the flight for normally about 100 quid, which is an awesome offer.

The BA EuroTraveller price is very flexible. It varies with the date and flight. For example if you fly LHR-AMS on 23 November and return on the 30 November - dates selected at random - flying out on BA446 at 14:50 hrs and returning on either BA431 or BA435 at 12:20 or 15:10 hrs the price currently on offer is £100.

However if you fly out on BA428 at 07:25 hrs and back on BA447 at 17:55 hrs on the same dates the price currently on offer is almost exactly four and a half times more at £449.

These prices are likely to increase as we get closer to the travel dates and as the aircraft fills up.

So the moral is book as far in advance as possible and travel off-peak.
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:59 am

They announced 1 more daily (from 6 to 7) to FCO as well but I can't find it through GDS.

http://news.cheapflights.co.uk/briti...-announces-new-short-haul-flights/
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:28 pm

This new route post was added my me yesterday and subsequently removed by NZ1 because of lack of proof!! Odd.
Anyway, this new flight from LHR IS in additon to the 3 x daily from LGW as I mentioned on the original removed post.
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:20 pm

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 6):
This new route post was added my me yesterday and subsequently removed by NZ1 because of lack of proof!! Odd.
Anyway, this new flight from LHR IS in additon to the 3 x daily from LGW as I mentioned on the original removed post.

It was deleted whilst I was trying to reply. A simple check of ba.com would have proved what you were telling everyone. Seems some spurious stuff gets to stay on the boards whilst other more believable things go!

With a LHR-BLQ service restored, that's BLQ, PSA and VCE that have all had LHR service restored by BA over the last couple of years. With the IAG purchase of BD I wouldn't be surprised to see increased frequencies by BA on these routes from Winter 2012-13, using some of the BD slots. I wonder also if TRN and MRS could see a return of LHR flights?
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:34 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 7):
With the IAG purchase of BD I wouldn't be surprised to see increased frequencies by BA on these routes from Winter 2012-13, using some of the BD slots. I wonder also if TRN and MRS could see a return of LHR flights?

I think that ultimately we would see services to TRN and MRS to LHR with max 1 daily flight.
On the other hand, I don't think it is wise (not that I am a manager) to have 9 daily flights to BCN. 7 or 8 are enough if you use larger aircraft (A321s) and use those slots to enhance Spain-LHR connectivity (SVQ, AGP or ALC) as well other destinations such as TUN, ALG or CMN.
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:48 pm

Yes 9 daily flights to BCN seems far too excessive. Next it'll be 6 x daily to STR!
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2011 7:45 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 8):
enhance Spain-LHR connectivity (SVQ, AGP or ALC)

Have been begging for VLC-LHR service since BA left 4-5 years ago.....

If UX (AF) can sustain 3xdaily VLC-CDG mainly with connecting traffic into AF network, how can BA/IB not sustain even a single VLC-LHR

Since IB's VLC-MAD was reduce to minimum due to high speed train link OW pax out of VLC have very little options to get into BA/IB network
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2011 8:03 pm

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 9):
Yes 9 daily flights to BCN seems far too excessive

I suspect it just seems excessive because all flights LHR-BCN are operated by a single airline (BA). If it was 5 daily on BA and 4 daily on Vueling (say), I doubt it would be mentioned.
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:36 pm

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 9):
Yes 9 daily flights to BCN seems far too excessive. Next it'll be 6 x daily to STR!

Its not enough sometimes!! The flights are packed
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:03 pm

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 9):

I do t think so. Also EZY from LGW is enough, not sure if any from STN?.
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:16 pm

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 9):
Yes 9 daily flights to BCN seems far too excessive. Next it'll be 6 x daily to STR!

It may sound excessive but the flights to BCN during the summer season are always very busy.

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 13):
I do t think so. Also EZY from LGW is enough, not sure if any from STN?.

BCN is very well served from LON. In 2012 there will be 44 airlines operating a total of 150 flights each week. Based on there August 2012 schedule the following airlines will operate the following weekly frequencies:

British Airways

LHR - 63 x Weekly

British Airways Cityflyer

LCY - 7 x Weekly

Easyjet

LGW - 42 x Weekly
LTN - 14 x Weekly
SEN - 7 x Weekly
STN - 7 x Weekly

Monarch Scheduled

LGW - 10 x Weekly

FR currently operate from STN to BCN however no flights are as yet on sale for AUG12
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:35 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 12):
Its not enough sometimes!! The flights are packed

Maybe it's time they upgraded to a larger aircraft?

Sorry to wave my green flag but I prefer to see fewer aircraft flying a route. It's better for the environment (that BA claims to care about) to use bigger aircraft less frequently.

It's like London -Dublin with hundreds of tiny aircraft going back and forth all day from every airport in London. To me it's a needless waste of fuel.

Can I say that on an aviation lovers website?     
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:51 pm

Also looks like BA is increasing there LHR to EDI service compared to there S11 timetable the new flight is:

BA1461 EDI 06:50 LHR 08:15

BA1460 LHR 22:00 EDI 23:20

The new service operates Daily. For S12 the EDI-LHR schedule is:

Edinburgh to London Heathrow

BA1461 EDI 06:50 LHR 08:15 D
BA1435 EDI 07:05 LHR 08:35 x67
BA1439 EDI 09:20 LHR 10:45 D
BA1441 EDI 10:20 LHR 11:50 x167
BA1441 EDI 10:30 LHR 12:00 1
BA1443 EDI 11:45 LHR 13:15 D
BA1445 EDI 13:45 LHR 15:10 D
BA1453 EDI 15:55 LHR 17:15 x6
BA1455 EDI 17:25 LHR 18:50 D
BA1459 EDI 18:15 LHR 19:40 x6
BA1463 EDI 19:35 LHR 21:00 D
BA1465 EDI 20:25 LHR 21:40 x6

London Heathrow to Edinburgh

BA1432 LHR 06:45 EDI 08:05 x67
BA1434 LHR 08:00 EDI 09:20 x67
BA1438 LHR 08:50 EDI 10:10 D
BA1442 LHR 11:40 EDI 13:00 D
BA1446 LHR 13:20 EDI 14:45 x6
BA1448 LHR 15:25 EDI 16:50 D
BA1452 LHR 15:50 EDI 17:15 x6
BA1454 LHR 17:25 EDI 18:50 D
BA1458 LHR 18:25 EDI 19:45 x6
BA1462 LHR 19:30 EDI 20:45 6
BA1462 LHR 19:50 EDI 21:05 1
BA1462 LHR 20:00 EDI 21:15 47
BA1462 LHR 20:05 EDI 21:20 235
BA1460 LHR 22:00 EDI 23:20 D

During the week BA will operate up to 23 x Daily from EDI to LON ( LHR = 11, LCY = 8 & LGW = 4)
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:31 am

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 14):
BCN is very well served from LON. In 2012 there will be 44 airlines operating a total of 150 flights each week.

44 airlines serving one route? That has to be a record? 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:46 am

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 17):
44 airlines serving one route? That has to be a record? 

  

Tried to change it but it won't let me. Should read 4.
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:06 pm

Quoting GSTBA (Reply 16):
BA1461 EDI 06:50 LHR 08:15

BA1460 LHR 22:00 EDI 23:20

It has to be a dormant slot... It can be easily used for flights to Asia or Africa in the future...
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:14 pm

Quoting Babybus (Reply 15):
Maybe it's time they upgraded to a larger aircraft?

Sometimes they have 2 767s on the route

Quoting Babybus (Reply 15):
Sorry to wave my green flag but I prefer to see fewer aircraft flying a route. It's better for the environment (that BA claims to care about) to use bigger aircraft less frequently.

Fewer flights and bigger aircraft means LHR would lose customers who would find quicker ways to get to a destination. Would you want to connect at a airport after a Long Haul Flight and only have 2 flight times to pick from onward, or would you want to have the shortest stop over. Same with JFK, its about Freq not the number of Customers you can carry.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 15):
It's like London -Dublin with hundreds of tiny aircraft going back and forth all day from every airport in London. To me it's a needless waste of fuel.

Not needless at all. Again its freq, most people on EI/BD coming to the UK are connecting to LHRs euro and Int flights, both with BA and others. If you have only a flight at 0700 say and 1400, what do people do who have flights at 1300 or 2200
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:43 pm

Quoting Babybus (Reply 15):
Maybe it's time they upgraded to a larger aircraft?

Sorry to wave my green flag but I prefer to see fewer aircraft flying a route. It's better for the environment (that BA claims to care about) to use bigger aircraft less frequently.

It's like London -Dublin with hundreds of tiny aircraft going back and forth all day from every airport in London. To me it's a needless waste of fuel.

Can I say that on an aviation lovers website?

What you say is "madness" is a commercial necessity to maintain competitiveness. BA tried this approach once, anything smaller than a B734 went to Gatwick leaving LHR short haul with the B757 and B767. Worth reading up on this if you are keen to learn about how things work in aviation.
It was so amazingly succesful they immediately ordered lots of A319s! Being better for the environment means not flying. Like that nice HACAN man who got arrested by the US Border Police after flying to the US from LHR to tell them how bad flying was and how he didn't want it at LHR........
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:50 pm

While that maybe true, WW is obviously a complete Hippocrate - spouting all BA's green credentials every month in Highlife while increasing services on smaller aircraft when fewer services could be serviced on larger aircraft.
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:07 pm

On top of these additions, other service increases compared to Summer 2010 are:

- Prague going from 4 to 5 daily
- Paris Orly going from 3 to 4 daily
- Hamburg going from 4 to 5 daily

Other changes:

- Munich goes from 7 to 6 daily
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:24 pm

Quoting jet72uk (Reply 22):
While that maybe true, WW is obviously a complete Hippocrate - spouting all BA's green credentials every month in Highlife while increasing services on smaller aircraft when fewer services could be serviced on larger aircraft.

So an alternative would be 2 x 744's per day to these European destinations?!
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:56 pm

Quoting theginge (Reply 24):

No. 3x 767.
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:14 am

Quoting theginge (Reply 24):
So an alternative would be 2 x 744's per day to these European destinations?!

7 daily flights to BCN on A321s/767 should be enough (instead of 9 319/320/321/767). The same goes for other destinations.
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:28 am

Quoting VV701 (Thread starter):
LHR-AMS. BA432. d. 1900. a. 2110
AMS-LHR. BA433. d. 2225. a. 2225

1 hour and 15 minutes turn-around time?? Is it just me who finds this terribly inefficient?
The actual flight time is usually around 30-35 minutes.

If it it's due to LHR slot times for take off and landing, is the LHR-AMS route profitable enough? I've flown the route many times with BA but always for connecting flights. There are up to 51 daily flights from Amsterdam to London (all airports).

Amsterdam-London with KLM/BA is usually around GBP 130, with easyJet around GBP 60.
 
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Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:16 am

I think LIS has lost a daily flight! Was 4x daily, now is only showing 3x daily.
 
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Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:49 am

Quoting santos (Reply 28):

I think LIS has lost a daily flight! Was 4x daily, now is only showing 3x daily.

Yes correct..

I think that the natural thing with IAG is to have many Spain-LHR links (MAD, BCN, AGP, ALC, SVQ, BIO) and many UK-MAD links (LHR, LGW, BHX, MAN, GLA and EDI).
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:03 am

Surely there are more flights to BCN to link in with IB's flight offerings across Spain and the islands? Gives a very flexible timetable for connections.
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Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:29 pm

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 30):
Surely there are more flights to BCN to link in with IB's flight offerings across Spain and the islands? Gives a very flexible timetable for connections.


Yes, And then there's the other direction linking in with AA and BA flights to, for example, North America from LHR.

It really should not need saying that if an airline does not offer a convenient timetable with minimum connection times then its potential transfer customers will find an alternative routing with an alternative carrier or carriers. And IAG are committed to making both the merger of BA and IB and of ATI with AA pay.

Why is it surprising to anyone on a-net that the formation of IAG and the granting of ATI to AA/BA/IB are resulting in frequent shuttle-type services linking key transfer points on their networks? How is Iberia Express going to succeed if feed from the UK is not maximised?

28.6 million passengers flew between the UK and Spain and the Canary Islands in 2010, This figure will be significantly higher in 2011 despite the current economic climate. For example in September this year passenger numbers were up on September 2010 by 11.5 per cent from 3.30 to 3.68 million on 2010. [Data source: CAA web site.]
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:51 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 31):
28.6 million passengers flew between the UK and Spain and the Canary Islands in 2010

It would be interesting to know the market share (%) of IAG on UK - Spain market...
I suspect it'd be *very* low, except MAD/BCN-LHR.

As an example, there are up to 50 daily flights in peak season between Malaga (AGP) and the UK, 0 of which operated by Iberia, around 5 flights operated by British Airways.
 
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Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:01 pm

Quoting downtown273 (Reply 32):
It would be interesting to know the market share (%) of IAG on UK - Spain market...
I suspect it'd be *very* low, except MAD/BCN-LHR.

Yes they are bit players but that's looking at an apple when the subject matter is a pear. The profit driver is long haul from LHR and MAD to points beyond, not UK to Spain. The fact that x thousand fly from Glasgow to Palma in search of melanmo is not what they're after. I know Scots, we're born blue and tan white eventually...
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:43 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 26):
Quoting theginge (Reply 24):
So an alternative would be 2 x 744's per day to these European destinations?!

7 daily flights to BCN on A321s/767 should be enough (instead of 9 319/320/321/767). The same goes for other destinations.

In the long term it might well end up that way, the same could apply to LHR-EDI and LHR-GLA. The problem however at present is obtaining suitable aircraft, BA recently disposed of the remainder of their 752's, having replaced them majority with 319's in order to either improve load factors or offer more flights on the routes. Of course that was in the era of competing against a strong BD at LHR, and before the merger with IB. Now they find themselves with increased demand on some of these routes and a fleet with few 321's and few Euro spec 767's. They will either need to take A320 series options as A321's or wait until they can get 787's before they can do much consolidation.
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:16 pm

The market, i.e. the consumer, likes frequency. Look at AA/BA offering in effect an hourly east bound LHR-JFK service. Yes, they could consolidate and drop a couple of flights by bringing in A380s, but the business traveller likes the fact that if they are on a fully flexible fare, get their meetings done early and get to LHR they can be booked on earlier flight. It exists in lots of markets - look at the frequency of QF flights between SYD and MEL!

Also, it suits airlines to have fewer aircraft types these days, and using your narrowbodies on multi-frequencies between popular city pairs, alongside 2/3 flights to less popular destinations, allows for better maximisation of aircraft use. You get more restrictive with what you can use your aircraft for if you start adding in a lot more bigger types. A BA A319 or A320 can just about fly in from BCN or MAD to LHR, then fly off to pretty much anywhere else in the BA shorthaul network. But start using 767s on that route and there are fewer detsinations you can send that aircraft on to. I'm not saying it;s not possible, but it's one of the reasons for the success of LCCs - minimum aircraft types, with flight frequency flexed to meet demand.

The days of 737-200s, 757-200s and L1011s flying around on shorthaul routes offering extremes of capacity for BA are long gone.

Ryanair take that to the extreme (all 737-800), whilst Southwest (737-300/-700 and 737-500) and easyJet (A319 and A320) only have in effect two aircraft types by size (yet common rating for crews).
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:32 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if BA pulled LIS entirely and routed everyone through MAD with IB within a few years.
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:36 pm

Quoting lisbonbearuk (Reply 36):
I wouldn't be surprised if BA pulled LIS entirely and routed everyone through MAD with IB within a few years.


Why is that? Plenty of O&D traffic on that route, plus lots of passenger connecting to other oneworld & BA destinations through LHR, why add 2 stops????
 
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Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:17 am

Quoting santos (Reply 37):
Why is that? Plenty of O&D traffic on that route, plus lots of passenger connecting to other oneworld & BA destinations through LHR, why add 2 stops????

I don't think Lisbon will ever stop. It does not make sense.

BA is adding another rotation to Manchester as well:

London Heathrow – Manchester Increases from 8 Daily in S11 to 9 Daily in S12
BA1410 LHR2130 – 2230MAN 319 D
BA1411 MAN2200 – 2255LHR 319 D

Now I wish BA could reinstate the shutlle concept to MAN, GLA, EDI & ABZ (albeit with reduced schedules).
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:45 am

European routes to be reduced:
London Heathrow – Lisbon Reduces from 4 Daily in S11 to 3 Daily in S12
London Heathrow – Munich Reduces from 7 to 6 Daily
London Heathrow – Paris CDG Reduces from 8 to 7 Daily
London Heathrow – Venice Reduces from 9 weekly in S11 to 8 weekly in S12
 
AIR MALTA
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:57 am

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 35):
The days of 737-200s, 757-200s and L1011s flying around on shorthaul routes offering extremes of capacity for BA are long gone.

In an airport with scarse slts as LHR, it would make sense to send an A321 to BCN instead of 2 consective A319s.

We are not tallking about massively reducing services but reducing one daily service on routes that have at least 8 rotations a day. This could enable BA to expand into other markets without really harming flexibility and connectivity.

My 2 cents.
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:03 am

Never say never.

Moscow is going 4 class 744 is it not ?

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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:21 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 40):
We are not tallking about massively reducing services but reducing one daily service on routes that have at least 8 rotations a day.

All BA flights between LHR and BCN are operated by 320 aircraft configured to carry up to 162 passengers. So to replace two flights with a single aircraft without reducing capacity would require the substitution of a 324 seat aircraft. However BA's largest short haul configured aircraft, the 763, is configured for just 251 passengers. So clearly replacing two flights with just one is not possible unless BA used the only aircraft in their fleet with the capacity to carry 324 passengers, a 'MidJ' 744. This type is configured to seat up to 337 passengers, But how would BA sell 14 First Class, 52 Club World, and 36 World Traveller Plus seats on a 140 minute flight?

Three 320s (486 passengers) could be replaced with two short haul 763s (502 passengers). But to find those two 763s BA would need to replace each of them on their current operations with two 319s (up to 132 passengers each). This would require a small expansion of both the BA fleet and the number of BA flights and BA LHR slots and all with the only objective of reducing the number and frequency of flights between LHR and BCN so offering customers less choice. The slots for these additional flights would be particularly difficult to find as there are a wave of early morning 763 flights when demand is at its highest and slots are at their scarcest.

Of course this could and possibly might change when the 787 starts operating short haul flights in BA livery. But until then the current timetable is environmentally and commercial;ly BAs best option on the assumption that the current capacity offered is the best match for demand.
 
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RE: BA Adds LHR-BLQ Plus Additional AMS Flight

Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:23 pm

Quoting mikey72 (Reply 41):
Moscow is going 4 class 744 is it not ?

It is indeed, 1 747 on the first flight ex LHR followed by 2 long haul 767's on the later flights.

There's a change of flight numbers also, from 872/3, 874/5 and 880/1 => 233/234, 235/6 and 237/8.
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