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TWA 707 Coach Lounges?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:50 am

Who remembers these?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/12548624@N03/6317026594/

Apparently only on the Domestic 707-131Bs! I wonder how long they lasted and how many aircraft had them?
 
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RE: TWA 707 Coach Lounges?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:13 am

I remember the 707 coach lounge very well. In the early 1970s I flew back and forth between New York and Denver quite often. They were on almost every flight.

TWA put these on the 707 at the hight of the "Coach Lounge Wars." American started this on their 747s. The planes were not going out full so seats were removed to creat a 'living room' in the sky. There waas nothing like it since the Pan Am cClippers in teh 1930s. TWA, United & and Continental followed with their own 747 lounges. Pianos, pubs, lounge singers, etc were added to get a jump on the competition. Almost all US carries also had coach lounges on their DC-10s & and L-1011s. As far as I know TWA was the only one to have a coach lounge on a narrow-body aircraft so I guess this was the final shot in the 'war'.

I never saw the 707 lounge being used very much. I sat there a few times just to try it out. This was at the same time TWA had the fold down middle seats in coach and when the flight was not full, there was already quite a bit of space. I do remember the flight attendants using the bar in the coach lounge for cocktail service. Rather than using a cart, cocktails and soft drinks were put on small trays with nuts and snacks and brought to each seat. Very civilized and typical of TWAs inovative service. The lounge divided the cabin into 2 compartments. This version of the 707 was the most comfortable narrow-body aircraft I have ever flown on.
 
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RE: TWA 707 Coach Lounges?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:22 pm

Not sure about domestic lounges, but this employee newsletter mentions all TATL coach lounges gone by Sep. 1, 1973

http://www.umkc.edu/whmckc/twa/TWASk...Skyliner1973/KC0453-1973.02.26.pdf
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RE: TWA 707 Coach Lounges?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:18 am

I don't personally remember the TWA 707 coach lounge. United's DC-8-10/20/50's all, from delivery, had a five seat coach lounge across from the rear service door and galley delivery but those seats were sold. Coach lounges became the rage with the delivery of the DC-10's to American in November of 1971. TWA ordered L-1011's and they were a year away, so the 707 lounge must have been installed to try to stay competitive with UA and AA and their DC-10 coach lounges. Then American installed a piano in the coach section lounge of their 747's. About this this same time, UA equipped many of their DC-8's with 2-3 coach seating. As the article says, the 707's lounges were pulled two years later in 73, but the wide bodies kept their spacious lounges for a bit longer. Crunch time came with the first oil price shock after the 1973 October Yom Kippur War, and then away went the lounges altogether. But I can tell you that flying in coach with 8 across seating on the DC-10 and the spacious lounges was a pleasure. Flying was fun.
 
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RE: TWA 707 Coach Lounges?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:14 am

I seem to remember AA having a Coach Lounge on their 707s shortly after the "widebody look" interiors were installed in the early 70s. Part of their "Americana" service upgrade I believe. Can anybody help?
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RE: TWA 707 Coach Lounges?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:53 am

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 4):

Just the forward First Class lounge - there's a seat map somewhere, it had a bar added to it, but it was in the standard 707 location.

I'm surprised TWA only put the lounge on the -131Bs, but the 707-331/331B/Cs already had a forward First Class lounge, so I suppose that is why.
 
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RE: TWA 707 Coach Lounges?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:18 am

Quoting Jackbr (Reply 5):
I'm surprised TWA only put the lounge on the -131Bs, but the 707-331/331B/Cs already had a forward First Class lounge, so I suppose that is why.

Both the -131Bs and -331Bs had a small bar (galley) aft of the 1L door and a "carry on luggage" compartment across from the forward galley installed in the mid 70s. I assume this was where the lounge was, since no hatracks existed above the lounge.
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RE: TWA 707 Coach Lounges?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:51 pm

Not to go off topic, but does anyone remember the Continental Pub? That survived until 1990 or so.
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RE: TWA 707 Coach Lounges?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:40 pm

So how did these lounges work? Was it a cash bar, or was everything complementry?

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RE: TWA 707 Coach Lounges?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:34 pm

As I recall coach lounges were not permited in international flights for competitive reasons. This might explain why TW only had the lounges on the 131 models. On the TW 747, the coach lounge was positioned between Coach and First Class, which enabled it to be utilized as a second First Class lounge (in addition to the upper deck) on international flights.
As the 707 coach lounge was positioned in mid coach cabin, this alternative would not have been possible in international flights.
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RE: TWA 707 Coach Lounges?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:05 pm

I remember the lounges on the trans-Pacific 707's of Pan-Am in 1973, particularly on a flight between AKL-PPT-LAX-SFO.
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RE: TWA 707 Coach Lounges?

Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:12 am

Quoting 28L28L (Reply 9):
As I recall coach lounges were not permited in international flights for competitive reasons.

Correct. IATA resolutions, based on agreement of IATA-member carriers, prohibited that short of thing. Also restricted Y class seat pitch to a maximum of 34 inches and set a limit on the minimum number of seats abreast by aircraft type.
 
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RE: TWA 707 Coach Lounges?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:31 pm

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 10):
I remember the lounges on the trans-Pacific 707's of Pan-Am in 1973, particularly on a flight between AKL-PPT-LAX-SFO.

I flew from GUM to HNL in the spring of 1975, just before the fall of Saigon, on a PA 707 flight that originated in SE Asia, and let me assure you, there was NO COACH LOUNGE.