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A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:50 am

Hello everyone, just to share an interesting experience I have witnessed a few times aboard spanish low-cost carrier Vueling airlines (VY): their FAs inquire passengers especially those with duty free bags if they carry any bottles of wine or spirits, and ask them to place them under the seats in front of them. They argue it is not allowed to carry bottles on the overhead bins due to the wiring and electronics potentially being damaged if a breakage would happen.

Last week, an american tourist was visibly irritated by this, and once I inquired since when this rule is in force and the FA replied "since always", while I can't remember having been asked such a thing in any other A320 operators I usually fly like AF, BA or even easyjet. Even Vueling partner IB does not (AFAIK) require such thing, once the F/A even helped me to place my scotch bottles into the bin... Am I confused or is this a unique (nonsense) feature of this airline?
 
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:19 am

I suspect it's nothing to do with the A320 or the reason the FA gave, and more to do with the pax profile on Vueling - they fly routes where there's likely to be a lot of duty free carried. Perhaps it's an easy option to ask people to keep it under the seat in front of them to keep more available space for bags in the overheads. Either that or they're worried that when stuff in overheads shifts during flight or in a bumpy landing a bottle is a heavy thing to drop on somebody's head... and bottles do tend to roll about.
 
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:06 pm

Quoting mcr (Reply 1):

I suspect it's nothing to do with the A320 or the reason the FA gave, and more to do with the pax profile on Vueling - they fly routes where there's likely to be a lot of duty free carried.

Very unlikely actually; as VY flies almost exclusively within the EU (except for ZRH, RAK, DME, LED, TLV), there is very low demand for duty free sales.

As VY is most of all flying the old IB routes from BCN, the pax profile is likely to be very similar to IB.
 
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:17 pm

It may be because the A320 overhead locker latches are not particularly good and have a tendency to break - there was a big article in Flight some time ago about US Airways redesigning them. I fly pretty regularly on the A319/320/321 and the lockers do seem to be very temperamental. Given the shape of a bottle, it's far more likely to fall out if the locker does open by accident so I'd guess the "ban" - which is indeed not found on other Airbus operators - is a reflection of this?
 
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:19 pm

I have twice seen wine bottles break in the overhead and drench the passengers below.
ofcourse the owners of the bottles were sitting in another row and did not get anythign on them.

Im sure its beacause this can happen they ask for it to be placed on the ground instead
 
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 12:20 pm

Quite a few airlines ask passengers to place bottles under the seat. Nothing really to do with the electrics but when you have a passenger arguing with you about doing something you've asked them to do, I can't blame her for just thinking something up. Either way, it's likely to be Vueling policy in one way or another.

On Easyjet small items of all nature are supposed to be placed under the seat in front, particularly on busy flights. However, certain routes suffer from pax drinking their own alcohol in which case I ask for duty free to be placed in the overhead lockers to manage that situation.
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:56 pm

Think she may have been an irksome crew member. I have worked on most current airbus aircraft and with a few different airlines and we have never had that rule. Indeed we may encourage customers to place the bottles under the seat in front(Id do this on an Airbus, Boeing, Moonlander) but simply to clear up space in the lockers on a full flight. Otherwise id rather they leave their bottles overhead, less likely of customers to drink it onboard!
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:59 pm

Most likely so that if there would be a break, it doesn't stain the entire cabin, and get some passengers angry because their "$100 suit" was damaged.
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:55 pm

I don't like when F/As and other airline employees lie and say that a policy is in place for the safety of the aircraft when it isn't. This goes for cellphones, iPods, and now apparently liquids in the overhead bins.
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:15 pm

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 8):
I don't like when F/As and other airline employees lie and say that a policy is in place for the safety of the aircraft when it isn't. This goes for cellphones, iPods, and now apparently liquids in the overhead bins.

True.

But people often don't like to told that as they agreed to the 'terms and conditions of carriage' then they must carry out all instructions given to them by a crew member.

This argument could have been diffused by the crew member saying it was in case of breakage.
 
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:16 pm

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 8):
I don't like when F/As and other airline employees lie and say that a policy is in place for the safety of the aircraft

I don't normally 'bend the truth' but I guess when you have passengers arguing the toss with you when you are trying to do your job then I have sympathy. Also, lets face it there are some regs in place where the reason behind them aren't necassarilly that clear to those FA's who perhaps don't take quite as keen interest in the industry as a whole. Hence, you might get one or two wise tales.

That said, they are absolutely correct if it is Vueling policy and it certainly does cause havoc when liquids leak up there and in theory the liquid could leak into the PSU unit. I have heard of it wreaking havoc with call bells on one particular flight.
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:25 pm

I have seen this several times coming back from Mexico..........every tourist has to buy the obligatory bottle of Tequila and there have been many Tequila showers due to broken bottles and leaky seals. I hate the smell of that stuff and being confined in an airplane that smells like the Jose Cuervo factory for 3-4 hours is not a pleasant experience.

I support this FA!
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:25 pm

Thanks to all for your replies. Let me clarify that this was not an isolated incident involving a more or less picky FA, I have witnessed this several times, I fly quite often with them and it is a rule they enforce quite often but not very succesfully

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 9):
But people often don't like to told that as they agreed to the 'terms and conditions of carriage' then they must carry out all instructions given to them by a crew member.

Yeah well, but when one carrier states "do A but you can´t do B" and another "you may do B C and D but not A" and so on, without apparent reason, as a rational and well informed passenger I want to understand why things are a certain way, to make sure I comply with the rules beforehand. Passengers want to be treated as adults and not 5-year olds!  
Quoting nutsaboutplanes (Reply 11):
I support this FA!

As said it is not this FA, but rather all of them, and they do not seem to have a clear idea why. But in true spanish fashion, instead of saying they don´t know, they prefer to make up something no matter how nonsense
 
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:54 pm

My airline doesn't have any company policies in particular in place about this and we do have the 320 in our fleet. Usually on our international flights most people tend to put alcohol under the seats so they don't "disappear" in the O/H prior to landing. I have had a case where a water bottle leaked in the O/H and it was dripping down on a passenger or two. It was during cart service and it was one big pain between isolating where this water was coming from and then getting all the bags out and drying things. Luckily, it wasn't a fast leak and it was under control in five minutes. Still quite concerning and this was on a 320.

It did concern me about the wiring for the call lights, etc. getting wet and causing a potential short. The water seemed to just flow out where the bins meet side-by-side and where there is rubber-like weather stripping that hides where the bins meet one another...thus diverting the water down and out to the aisle. This would be for all Airbus a/c and I am sure all other manufacturers are similar.
 
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Mon Nov 14, 2011 11:48 pm

I will never, EVER, forget the idiot woman who sat next to me on a redeye from SAN - EWR a year or so back. She rushed aboard late, carry ons and shopping bags bumping everyone down the aisle. She is also holding a boequet of flowers arranged in a vase filled with water. How she got that passed security I don't know. Anyway, she puts her stuff AND the vase of flowers into the overhead bin. I really didn't pay much attention to her and didn't realise she had put the vase in the overhead bin.

A few minutes later the plane is roaring down the runway and the nose lifts off the ground. The vase topples over inside the bin and a waterfall cascades down on everyone under the bin for three rows. Everyone jumped out of their seats just as the plane left the ground. The flight attendants of course hollered at everyone to sit down immediately, but nobody did and so a flight attendant joined the group jumping about.

It was mayhem.

So that's my liquids in the overhead bin story!
 
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:39 am

Most of our fleet is A320's and we've never had a policy like that.
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:22 am

Quoting PanAm788 (Reply 8):
I don't like when F/As and other airline employees lie and say that a policy is in place for the safety of the aircraft when it isn't. This goes for cellphones, iPods, and now apparently liquids in the overhead bins.

So if you fly whatever airline and the crew ask you to switch off your cellphone, iPod or whatever you are going to accuse them of lying to you about your safety???? Is that how you see it???

The way I see it is these employees are merely enforcing rules they have been told to do as part of their job. Its not a lie. You may not agree with the proceedure or your far superior understanding of the matter compared to the experts at the airline/regulatory authorities but that does not give you the right to accuse them of lying!

Just do as you are told and dont get erked about it or youll give yourself an early heart attack!
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:12 am

I often carry duty free spirits back with from from HKG when returning to my home city in the Mainland. For a short while KA were requesting me to put the bottles under the seat as well, which I found irritating, and often obliged temporarily until the FA wasn't looking and then tuckd them up behind my carry on. Can't see how they'd break too easily given they're mummified in bubble wrap! Anywas, haven't been asked to do that for a while now, so I guess they dropped it.
 
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:27 am

PanAm788, how else would you try to maintain a sense of reason and order on a plane with people who are not always reasonable? Just a nice "lie" for the better of it will do and is almost everytime the only way to control it. We can spin that also in the way how certain countries apply visa rules, cabin baggage rules and immigration forms etc.
 
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:35 am

This isn't just an A320 issue. It's common sense.

You only have to search for a leaking bottle so many times before you start asking people to place liquids on the floor. I have seen bottles leak numerous times and have had to pull down dozens of bags to find the source of a leak during flight. The most common thing I've seen are water or soft drink bottles that have been opened on the ground and begin to leak in-flight due to the pressurization. The lower pressure in the cabin causes the higher pressure air inside the bottle to force the liquid out, even through a rather secure cap. It drips through the overheads, often over several rows of people, and some get very upset and even panic because they don't know where liquid is coming from.

It is also of course a big maintenance concern because it drips through the PSU and oxygen systems and yes there are wires up there! How do you think your overhead light works? I have even heard a story of someone who had packed bags of marinating meat in their carry-on which subsequently began to leak during flight. Imagine that leaking on you! Breakage isn't something I've ran into personally but with the way people cram bags overhead I can't say I blame the crew for asking. A 1 liter spill is a big deal because I've seen even a small amount from a 375ml bottle of water cause an uproar. I wouldn't be surprised if the airline has had enough maintenance issues with this to issue a bulletin advising crew-members to tell passengers to keep bottles of liquid out of the bins. Don't jump to conclusions so quickly and assume this is a flight attendant on a power trip!

Is it really that much of a big deal to place your duty free bottle at your feet?
 
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:07 am

Quoting ASAFA (Reply 19):
Don't jump to conclusions so quickly and assume this is a flight attendant on a power trip!

Is it really that much of a big deal to place your duty free bottle at your feet?

No, it's not that big of a deal, but what is a big deal is FAs treating pax like they are stupid and lying to us. It may not be the case here, but when they outright lie to pax to get people to comply, that is wrong in my book.

Not only are we adults, but as paying customers, we pay the FAs paycheck. Please treat us with respect and not like children.

I'm with you on the no liquids up top though.
 
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 8:36 am

Quoting spudsmac (Reply 20):
Not only are we adults, but as paying customers, we pay the FAs paycheck. Please treat us with respect and not like children.

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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:23 pm

Quoting spudsmac (Reply 20):
No, it's not that big of a deal, but what is a big deal is FAs treating pax like they are stupid and lying to us. It may not be the case here, but when they outright lie to pax to get people to comply, that is wrong in my book.

I don't personally stretch the truth but as I said in an earlier post, sometimes crew have to. And why is that? Because passengers argue the toss when they are politely asked to do something.

Quoting spudsmac (Reply 20):
Not only are we adults, but as paying customers, we pay the FAs paycheck. Please treat us with respect and not like children.

No, the airline pays the FA's paycheck. Somewhere down the line, the FA's probably pay your paycheck aswell if we go by that theory. Most FA's will, and definitely should, treat you with respect. Asking you to do something is not showing you disrespect. Neither is the odd white lie that ensures everyone complies.

I get the sense that when it comes to many a.netters, they especially don't like being asked to do something because they feel it undermines their superior knowledge. Being asked to place your bottles under your seat or whatever you are being asked to do is nothing to be ashamed about.
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:29 pm

What happens when you are seated in an exit row or bulkhead though? You're not allowed anything under the seat in these rows normally...?

Quoting spudsmac (Reply 20):
No, it's not that big of a deal, but what is a big deal is FAs treating pax like they are stupid and lying to us. It may not be the case here, but when they outright lie to pax to get people to comply, that is wrong in my book.

Not only are we adults, but as paying customers, we pay the FAs paycheck. Please treat us with respect and not like children.

Do get over yourself, I guess you're the passenger that gets all pissy when the FA says "We have begun our final approach into XXX" when you're 15 minutes from landing, or even worse the one that thinks it's fine to head to the bathroom just as takeoff thrust has been set.....

Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 22):
I get the sense that when it comes to many a.netters, they especially don't like being asked to do something because they feel it undermines their superior knowledge. Being asked to place your bottles under your seat or whatever you are being asked to do is nothing to be ashamed about.

  
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:34 pm

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 23):
Do get over yourself, I guess you're the passenger that gets all pissy when the FA says "We have begun our final approach into XXX" when you're 15 minutes from landing, or even worse the one that thinks it's fine to head to the bathroom just as takeoff thrust has been set.....

Haha absolutely. Unless we have a go around we only have one approach.........hence it's a final approach. Go figure.  
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:03 pm

Quoting TCASAlert (Reply 23):
What happens when you are seated in an exit row or bulkhead though? You're not allowed anything under the seat in these rows normally...?

Haha that's a good one, will try with VY next week. Watch this space!
Probably they will ask me to drink all contents of it inmediately as the only way to transport safely any liquids in an emergency row is on the passenger's belly
 
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RE: A320 - No Liquids On Overhead Bins?

Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:36 pm

Quoting trinxat (Reply 25):
Haha that's a good one, will try with VY next week. Watch this space!
Probably they will ask me to drink all contents of it inmediately as the only way to transport safely any liquids in an emergency row is on the passenger's belly

Grow up.
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