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HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:51 am

http://www.hawaiianair.com/Specialof...York_Hawaii_homepage-pos1_20111115

Does anyone have a clue about whether this will be operated with 763 or 332 and what the frequency will look like? I didn't have a chance to search for a press release and couldn't find anything through even HA's own news release page.

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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:02 am

It is a daily A330-200.
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:41 am

Looks to be 4983mi on great circle.

About 3 months ago, or so, I overheard a bunch of HA employees talking in LAX about "the new JFK service" as if it were old news. I find it interesting that they knew about it very far in advance. Part of their conversation was the "training" they all had to go through for it. Not sure what training would be involved, but half of the HA employees talking said that they had completed it, and the other half were indifferent in going to the training.
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:03 am

And the schedules (according to Galileo):

1234567 HNL JFK 1505# 0655 HA 50 332 9.50hrs
1234567 JFK HNL 1000 1500 HA 51 332 11.00hrs
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:07 am

About time. I've been waiting for this announcement for 10 years now. This probably has been the worst kept secret for over 10 years. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. HA was originally going to announce JFK service back in September 2001. The terrorist attacks happened days before the announcement and they decided not to do it and instead operated 2 charters for the families of the first responders to the WTC.
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:12 am

Interesting leak of the news.. Mark Dunkerley is scheduled to make an announcement of the new route tomorrow (WED) morning.

Good spotting AQ737

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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:14 pm

Great news! I frequently travel to Hawaii for business and pleasure. Being able to fly from New York to Honolulu on HA will be a dream come true. Like I always tell everyone, my 2 favorite islands are O'ahu and Manhattan!

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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:18 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 2):
About 3 months ago, or so, I overheard a bunch of HA employees talking in LAX about "the new JFK service" as if it were old news. I find it interesting that they knew about it very far in advance. Part of their conversation was the "training" they all had to go through for it. Not sure what training would be involved, but half of the HA employees talking said that they had completed it, and the other half were indifferent in going to the training.


Are all HA flight attendants certified for both B763 and A332? If the answer is no, and if it is F/As you are talking about, then they were probably only certified on the B763. Since JFK is operated by the A332, they have to get trained on it in order to be able to fly the route.

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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:52 pm

Quoting 330lover (Reply 3):
And the schedules (according to Galileo):

1234567 HNL JFK 1505# 0655 HA 50 332 9.50hrs
1234567 JFK HNL 1000 1500 HA 51 332 11.00hrs

Not my area of expertise, but is the return leg to HNL timed as such to allow for morning connectivity from the NYC vicinity? It seems to me that it would make more sense to keep the turn around shorter so that the same plane can be turned back at HNL for the next day's flight. Well, I am no route planner so just my personal thoughts.

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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:57 pm

Great news, more service to Hawaii is great for their economy.
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:08 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 8):
Well, I am no route planner so just my personal thoughts.

There's probably no need. It will be timed to run alongside one of the shorter trips like LAX or LAS, maybe even Japan. I don't have the schedules to hand so someone else will have better detail, but the rotation could look like this for example;

HNL - JFK - HNL - LAS - HNL - JFK - HNL etc. etc.
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:13 pm

I wonder how well this new service bides well for connections ex-HNL. Based on existing schedules, it seems that this can be a good alternative for MNL-JFK: the times connect quite well in HNL. The reverse however is a different story: JFK-HNL arrives two hours after HNL-MNL leaves.

In any eventuality though, this seems like a very good service! 
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:18 pm

Damn! That explains this cryptic tweet HA sent a couple days ago.   

(Incidentally, while no one called FUK back in July, several people did see JFK coming.)
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:36 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 8):
It seems to me that it would make more sense to keep the turn around shorter so that the same plane can be turned back at HNL for the next day's flight.

With 21 hours of scheduled flight time, I don't think it would be possible to use the same plane even if they wanted to, that would only leave 90min for turns on each end and if that's not impossible it certainly would be very very tight and begging for routine delays!
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:39 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 11):
I wonder how well this new service bides well for connections ex-HNL. Based on existing schedules, it seems that this can be a good alternative for MNL-JFK: the times connect quite well in HNL. The reverse however is a different story: JFK-HNL arrives two hours after HNL-MNL leaves.

In any eventuality though, this seems like a very good service!

People (especially on this forum) will often select unnecessarily long flying distances or out-of-the-way connections for a cheaper fare or to accrue FF miles, but HNL is pretty far out of the way compared to other connection possibilites when traveling to Asia.

JFK-HNL-MNL%2C+JFK-NRT-MNL%2C+JFK-ICN-MNL&RANGE=&PATH-COLOR=&PATH-UNITS=mi&PATH-MINIMUM=&SPEED-GROUND=&SPEED-UNITS=kts&RANGE-STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=" target="_blank">http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=J...STYLE=best&RANGE-COLOR=&MAP-STYLE=

But!! This does add a new airline and connection point for JFK-SYD passengers. Do the connection times work out for that routing?
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:45 pm

Quoting Josh32121 (Reply 14):
But!! This does add a new airline and connection point for JFK-SYD passengers. Do the connection times work out for that routing?


It looks like it works eastbound (arrive HNL 10:10a, depart HNL 3:05p), but not westbound (arrive HNL from JFK 3:00p, SYD flight departs 11:50a.)
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:45 pm

That's awesome ... My grandparents flew JFK-HNL in the mid 1970s on a United DC-8 ... I always thought that would be such a cool flight ....
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:50 pm

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 11):
I wonder how well this new service bides well for connections ex-HNL.

I expect the main connections they're focusing on are the inter-island ones, and it's timed very well for those. Best to leave the NY-Asia market to others and focus on the NY-Hawaii traffic.

It will be great to see HA's A330s at JFK--I wish them much success in the market and look forward to taking the flight. Love the choice of flight number too!
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:05 pm

I wonder if HA would be interested in partnering with B6 to help feed this flight on the JFK end. After all, several other prominent long haul carriers do this.

Who knows..if the B6/HA relationship grew deep enough, HA might just find reason to send a 767 over to LGB every day!
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:10 pm

About time. Next stop, London, please?

The question why there's only one non stop East Coast - Hawaii flight in place has surfaced repeatedly here in the past, and many people claimed that New Yorkers flock to Florida and avoid Hawaii because it's too far. While there's clearly merit to the theory, it still surprised me that a metropolitan area of 15+ million people plus various connections from Europe/Africa/Asia could not sustain more than 1 daily Hawaii service - especially since Hawaii could serve as a very convenient transit point for East Coast - Oceania travellers. Which begs the question: What will the on board product on this flight look like? Will it be a ''pay for your bags, IFE and not get food'' type of deal, or will HA adapt to the service levels of the foreign competition (ie QF, only NYC-HNL competition is CO/UA which only have the seats left to cut).
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:31 pm

Great route, there will be no shortage of passengers. Making money is a whole other story. I hope it works.
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:34 pm

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 18):
I wonder if HA would be interested in partnering with B6 to help feed this flight on the JFK end. After all, several other prominent long haul carriers do this.

Who knows..if the B6/HA relationship grew deep enough, HA might just find reason to send a 767 over to LGB every day!

HA's strategy has been to serve markets that can support their service without relying on feed from other carriers, I assume they have identified NYC as one such market.
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:45 pm

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 21):
HA's strategy has been to serve markets that can support their service without relying on feed from other carriers, I assume they have identified NYC as one such market.

Even so, it would still make sense to have some feed from B6 considering HA has virtually no presence on the East Coast of the US. Why turn down some additional revenue?

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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:50 pm

Any idea which terminal HA will use at JFK? Terminal 4?

hawaiianair.com has a really good offer for flights for the first month of service......$212 one way for Y, about $800 for F.....just need to book by 20 November.

This will be a really good alternative to CO/UA. Last time I flew HNL-EWR-HNL in June, they didn't even have pillows in BusinessFirst. Pretty disgraceful.

Quoting something (Reply 19):
Which begs the question: What will the on board product on this flight look like? Will it be a ''pay for your bags, IFE and not get food'' type of deal, or will HA adapt to the service levels of the foreign competition (ie QF, only NYC-HNL competition is CO/UA which only have the seats left to cut).

It will fall into the later. Pay for your bags, yes. IFE, I don't know, I haven't flown on HA's A330 yet, and I've heard that Y passengers have to pay for seat back IFE. Pay for food, no. HA is very good at adapting their soft product to each market they serve, so I think the service will resemble that of an international flight. It would be nice if they did introduce a new hard product, specifically a new F seat, but, other than that, this will be much better than CO/UA.
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:52 pm

Congratulations HA! Glad to see them expanding their wings to new regions, and here's to many more to come!
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:12 pm

Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 22):
Even so, it would still make sense to have some feed from B6 considering HA has virtually no presence on the East Coast of the US. Why turn down some additional revenue?

They have no presence any where they fly (except Hawaii). Thats their business model, they are niche airline and they seem content in their niche. They select markets that already have the demand to Hawaii to support their service. If they are holding true to form there is no need for a JetBlue partnership because the demand to fill their plane is already there (and feed from JetBlue would likely be lower yielding than what they can get on their own). Considering they are starting the route with the 332 instead of the 763, I think they are confident they can fill the planes on their own, the only question is at what fare (and I don't JetBlue can help that part of the equation).
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:13 pm

Quoting kosmonaute (Reply 23):
Any idea which terminal HA will use at JFK? Terminal 4?

I was wondering the same, and T4 would be my guess too. It's not very busy during the morning hours when these flights arrive/depart, it has facilities for domestic arrivals, and in general it's where U.S. airlines with limited schedules (e.g., pre-merger NW, CO, VX and SY) have operated in recent years.
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:22 pm

It will be amazing if they can find a way to make money flying a leasure route with questionable yields that distance. I know the european charter carriers do it but your packed in like cattle, not a on a comfy 330. its one thing for CO to fly from EWR where they can justify the flight as a perk for frequent flyers to use miles but this isn't the case with HA. I'll be suprised if this flight is still running if oil goes up to 105-110 a barrel.
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:26 pm

Quoting LAXtoATL (Reply 13):
With 21 hours of scheduled flight time, I don't think it would be possible to use the same plane even if they wanted to, that would only leave 90min for turns on each end and if that's not impossible it certainly would be very very tight and begging for routine delays!
Quoting something (Reply 19):
The question why there's only one non stop East Coast - Hawaii flight in place has surfaced repeatedly here in the past, and many people claimed that New Yorkers flock to Florida and avoid Hawaii because it's too far.

The problem has never been a lack of people wanting to go to Hawaii, the problem is yield. It's hard to imagine passengers willing to pay the same price for Hawaii as they would pay for a flight to Moscow (about the same distance) given that Florida is $250 roundtrip.
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:28 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 2):
Part of their conversation was the "training" they all had to go through for it. Not sure what training would be involved, but half of the HA employees talking said that they had completed it, and the other half were indifferent in going to the training.

Maybe it has to do that it will be substantially longer than any current HA flight, involving crew rest, 3 pilots, etc...
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:50 pm

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 29):

Maybe it has to do that it will be substantially longer than any current HA flight, involving crew rest, 3 pilots, etc...

Could be possible, but HA flies a few routes longer than HNL-JFK today, so it doesn't seem likely.

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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:58 pm

This could be an interesting route. Not sure if it will do well. Many people in the NYC metro will opt for the caribbean or florida instead of an 11 hour flight to Hawaii. UA seems to do well, but part of that might be cargo and aircraft repositioning for the 764.

But does anyone remember the last airline to fly JFK-HNL? ATA with the L-1011 in the late 90s and early 2000s. Imagine an 11 hour flight on an L-1011!
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:15 pm

I am surprised they skipped over DEN to pick up JFK.
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:29 pm

Quoting penguinflies (Reply 32):
I am surprised they skipped over DEN to pick up JFK.

DEN-Hawaii is well covered by UA, and not to mention there are plenty of easy 1-stop services via West Coast gateways that can connect DEN to virtually any Hawaiian Island on a number of US carriers.

JFK is more logical because HA will only be competing with one other pre-existing carrier on the NYC-Hawaii market with CO/UA at EWR. Plus, with an MSA far larger than DEN.
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:42 pm

Quoting jayspilot (Reply 27):
I know the european charter carriers do it but your packed in like cattle, not a on a comfy 330.

HA packs 'em in pretty good with nearly 300 seats on the A330-200. They're just not doing crazy 9-abreast seating.

Quoting something (Reply 19):
The question why there's only one non stop East Coast - Hawaii flight in place has surfaced repeatedly here in the past, and many people claimed that New Yorkers flock to Florida and avoid Hawaii because it's too far. While there's clearly merit to the theory, it still surprised me that a metropolitan area of 15+ million people plus various connections from Europe/Africa/Asia could not sustain more than 1 daily Hawaii service - especially since Hawaii could serve as a very convenient transit point for East Coast - Oceania travellers.

Hawai'i is a very long way to go from the East Coast if you're just looking for a week on the beach. From NYC, you can be practically anywhere in the Caribbean in under six hours and not have to deal with a jet-lag-inducing five-hour time change. Cancun, Cayman, the D.R., Aruba, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, etc. all have beautiful beaches and plush resorts, just as Hawaii does. That's not to say that no one goes, because obviously many people do visit Hawai'i from the East Coast -- but the demand will be suppressed by the relative convenience of other attractive alternatives.

As for transit points from Europe, there are many alternatives to JFK/EWR -- and most are less delay-prone and just plain easier -- like ATL, IAH, DFW, ORD, LAX, & SFO. The amount of traffic from Africa to Hawai'i is very small, while from any point in Asia it's just shorter to fly across the Pacific (and ATH-NRT-HNL is shorter than ATH-JFK-HNL, too).
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:46 pm

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 2):
About 3 months ago, or so, I overheard a bunch of HA employees talking in LAX about "the new JFK service" as if it were old news. I find it interesting that they knew about it very far in advance. Part of their conversation was the "training" they all had to go through for it. Not sure what training would be involved, but half of the HA employees talking said that they had completed it, and the other half were indifferent in going to the training.

I highly doubt that was what you heard. Yes, there have been rumors about new destiniations, but nothing concrete. And there is no other training required for going to JFK vs. any of our other destinations.

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 7):
Are all HA flight attendants certified for both B763 and A332? If the answer is no, and if it is F/As you are talking about, then they were probably only certified on the B763. Since JFK is operated by the A332, they have to get trained on it in order to be able to fly the route.

Our flight attendants are qualified on all three aircraft; 330, 767, and 717. They can fly all three in a week if they want to.

Quoting something (Reply 19):
Will it be a ''pay for your bags, IFE and not get food'' type of deal, or will HA adapt to the service levels of the foreign competition (ie QF, only NYC-HNL competition is CO/UA which only have the seats left to cut).

Bags are $25 for the first checked, $35 for the second, for all North American flights. International flights do not charge for the first two bags. IFE is $5 for the seat-back video & music, although I don't know the details of the 330 system yet, since I haven't flown on it. Hot meals are offered free, with upgrades to bigger meals available for purchase.

Quoting jetbluefan1 (Reply 22):
Even so, it would still make sense to have some feed from B6 considering HA has virtually no presence on the East Coast of the US. Why turn down some additional revenue?

HA's model is to pull essentially entirely O&D traffic. If they can't fill the plane with people driving to the airport, they don't decide to tly there in the first place. Seriously though, don't you think that in a metro area of 15 million+ people, they can fill one A330 a day?

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 29):
Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 2):Part of their conversation was the "training" they all had to go through for it. Not sure what training would be involved, but half of the HA employees talking said that they had completed it, and the other half were indifferent in going to the training.

Maybe it has to do that it will be substantially longer than any current HA flight, involving crew rest, 3 pilots, etc...

We fly routes longer than HNL-JFK already, and many of our flights have extra pilots & FA's. We've been doing international flying for decades, so it's not like this is anything new for us. LIke I said above, the JFK route - although long rumored - was not known for sure until today, especially by all us 'everyday' employees.

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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:51 pm

Quoting thenoflyzone (Reply 7):
Are all HA flight attendants certified for both B763 and A332?

All HA F/As are trained on the 717, 767 and 330.

Quoting QANTAS747-438 (Reply 2):
About 3 months ago, or so, I overheard a bunch of HA employees talking in LAX about "the new JFK service" as if it were old news. I find it interesting that they knew about it very far in advance. Part of their conversation was the "training" they all had to go through for it. Not sure what training would be involved, but half of the HA employees talking said that they had completed it, and the other half were indifferent in going to the training.

It is an enhanced 2 day service training that was required of all HNL F/As prior to the begining of HND service. Initially LAX based crews were not given this training but it was required of them within the past few months, at which time they were probably told JFK service was imminent.

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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:13 pm

This is awesome. Pending the wife's approval, we're hoping to fly out to HNL on June 23rd. $445 r/t is a great deal!
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:18 pm

HA will use Terminal 5 in JFK.
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:34 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 38):
HA will use Terminal 5 in JFK.

That's nice, but based on what info? We use DL for maintenance, and I thought we'd be at one of their terminals.

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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:37 pm

I really thought NGO would be the next HA route
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:39 pm

Quoting HAL (Reply 39):
That's nice, but based on what info? We use DL for maintenance, and I thought we'd be at one of their terminals.

GDS info.
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:40 pm

Quoting ScottB (Reply 34):
Hawai'i is a very long way to go from the East Coast if you're just looking for a week on the beach. From NYC, you can be practically anywhere in the Caribbean in under six hours and not have to deal with a jet-lag-inducing five-hour time change. Cancun, Cayman, the D.R., Aruba, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, etc. all have beautiful beaches and plush resorts, just as Hawaii does. That's not to say that no one goes, because obviously many people do visit Hawai'i from the East Coast -- but the demand will be suppressed by the relative convenience of other attractive alternatives.

Yes obviously, but a flight on an A330 sized aircraft are a mere 200-300 people per day from a region that is home to more than 15 million people plus an abundance of transit passengers. Sure yields are poor and SFO/LAX/SEA/LAS/PHX/OHR (to a degree) are doing a great job offering one stop connections, but that all nonwithstanding.. there should be 200-250 affluent enough people who'd make such an endeavor viable.
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:50 pm

Quoting enilria (Reply 28):
The problem has never been a lack of people wanting to go to Hawaii, the problem is yield. It's hard to imagine passengers willing to pay the same price for Hawaii as they would pay for a flight to Moscow (about the same distance) given that Florida is $250 roundtrip.

I wouldn't trade Florida for Hawaii even if they paid me. However that's just my opinion and I sure have met a lot of people who like Florida. I can't understand why but hey, it is what it is  
Quoting something (Reply 42):
there should be 200-250 affluent enough people who'd make such an endeavor viable.

You'd think so but the sad reality is that there isn't.
And it's more than 200-250 people. It's 200+ people, 7 days a week, 365 days a year  Smile

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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:52 pm

Quoting runway23 (Reply 38):
HA will use Terminal 5 in JFK.

 

Considering the current layout of the T5 ramp is only configured to fit A320's and E190's, this comes as news to me, and B6 has made no announcement to its own crew that we will have an airline joining us in our terminal. That is also a very busy fleet launch time for B6, don't know if they have room to spare.

Quoting HAL (Reply 39):
That's nice, but based on what info? We use DL for maintenance, and I thought we'd be at one of their terminals.

An MX provider and a gate lease are 2 different things. For example, we use UA at some of our cities as an MX provider, but are not in the same terminals as them. If we have a tech issue, the contract mx provider drives on over and takes a look at the issue. It's all about what deals the airline can negotiate, sometimes you can get a package deal, sometimes it's cheaper to separate everything out (mx, ground, gate, etc.).

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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:59 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 43):
I wouldn't trade Florida for Hawaii even if they paid me. However that's just my opinion and I sure have met a lot of people who like Florida. I can't understand why but hey, it is what it is

Yep. Florida is vastly different from Hawaii. They are not interchangeable, in my opinion. Hawaii is paradise, Florida is swampland with beaches.
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:02 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 44):
Considering the current layout of the T5 ramp is only configured to fit A320's and E190's, this comes as news to me, and B6 has made no announcement to its own crew that we will have an airline joining us in our terminal. That is also a very busy fleet launch time for B6, don't know if they have room to spare.

I checked on the Port Authority site and HA will indeed be using T5.
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:15 pm

Quoting airbazar (Reply 43):
I wouldn't trade Florida for Hawaii even if they paid me. However that's just my opinion and I sure have met a lot of people who like Florida. I can't understand why but hey, it is what it is
Quoting 777STL (Reply 45):
Yep. Florida is vastly different from Hawaii. They are not interchangeable, in my opinion. Hawaii is paradise, Florida is swampland with beaches.

The issue is not comparing Florida to Hawaii, no one in their right mind would choose Florida over Hawaii if everything else is equal (ok a few people might prefer Florida but not many). But everything isn't equal, you have to consider travel time and costs. You lose about 24hours traveling going to Hawaii from NY versus about 10 hours going to Florida. Its why people on the East Coast and Southern part of the country travel to the Caribbean much more than they do Hawaii and on the West Coast they travel to Hawaii much more than they do the Caribean. Also aifare, hotels, food, etc are all much more expensive in Hawaii than Florida. I think the decision to travel to Florida over Hawaii is based on those factors, not a pure preference of Florida over Hawaii!
 
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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:26 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 46):
I checked on the Port Authority site and HA will indeed be using T5.

Please provide a link then because I can't find it on the PANYNJ website.

I checked here and HA isn't even listed:

http://www.panynj.gov/airports/jfk-airlines.html

I checked here and the only airline for T5 is B6:

http://www.panynj.gov/airports/jfk-airport-map.html

...and the search function is about as good as the one on here LOL! Thanks for your help.

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RE: HA Starts HNL-JFK In June 2012

Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:38 pm

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 48):
Please provide a link then because I can't find it on the PANYNJ website.

You have to do a search for the specific flight through the flight schedule search

http://timetables.oag.com/fe_tt//nyc/default.asp?code=nyc

http://timetables.oag.com/fe_tt//nyc...tpreferred_date=&Leg1ID=1304189&d=
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