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Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:30 pm

Seems like ORD is going to have a boring 2012. EK is adding DFW and SEA, BOS will get the 787, JFK is getting HA, and ORD, maybe an RJ to ...? Anything realistic for 2012 at ORD?
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:36 pm

IIRC, EK has said that there will be a third US city for 2012 that is to be announced soon. Whether it is ORD or not is anyone's guess.

And even though the US has an open skies agreement with the UAE, the Chicago Department of Aviation is basically in bed with AUH right now. The CDA and AUH have a joint agreement for business services. And as we all know, AUH is the home airport for EK's cross-country rival EY, which operates ORD-AUH (which is codeshared with AA, ORD's #2 carrier). I'm not saying that AUH (and EY) is influencing the CDA to not allow EK into ORD, but one never knows.

Speaking of new international carriers at ORD, does anyone know how CX's new ORD-HKG service is doing? I suspect it's doing well with the AA codeshare. UA is currently offering double MileagePlus miles on certain ORD-HKG frequencies, so one could suspect that UA is feeling the heat.

On the domestic front, it's almost a given that we should look for further NK expansion at ORD. Right now, they use gates L7 and L9, and could easily expand into the unused L10 jetway gate. And if VX wins the LGA slot auction, they have stated that most of those slots would be used for ORD-LGA.
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:41 pm

If American Eagle wins the Essential Air Service bid for Mason City, Iowa, (MCW) that'll be a brand new route!

  
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:08 pm

I mean, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. I'd say on the contrary, ORD has experienced some pretty fantastic growth since I moved here in August 2010.

We have seen:

-CM to began services to PTY next month
-Iceland Express to KEF
-CX on a daily 77W to HKG (which is doing well I have heard)
-PK has launched service to BCN and onward to Pakistan
-AI began nonstop flights to DEL
-AA launched seasonal flights to HEL
-KE has gone up from daily to 10x weekly (and that being without a SkyTeam hub!)
-VX, NK and B6 have all grown, respectively.

Granted, there have been a few losses:
-AF to CDG (seasonal)
-AZ to FCO (seasonal)
-AA to FRA and BRU

I can envision the following happening for ORD, whether sooner or later:

-LH goes A380 on ORDFRA. IMO, something highly needed at this time.
-AV-TA launches ORD-BOG once they join *A.
-Another Middle Easter carrier, possibly QR or EK (very likely given their recent a/c orders)
-Possibly an African carrier, maybe EgyptAir or ET.

Some of those may be ambitious/pipeline dreams, but who knows?
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:17 am

One would hope that once LATAM joins either Star or OneWorld there would be some flights to South America Like ORD-SCL or ORD-GIG.
Also, once BBI is open ORD-BBI.
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:38 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 3):
Granted, there have been a few losses:
-AF to CDG (seasonal)

Technically that's not a loss, just a change of equipment/airline on that route as DL is flying in 5x weekly. Oh, and can we refrain from the whole 'DL is so much worse than AF,' thing please?
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:28 am

Who knows, maybe ORD will get the 748i or 380 of LH. Anything is still possible  

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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:29 am

This may be quite small, but ORD is actually losing an airline, and that is U5. Apple Vacations, owner of U5, is winding down their airline, and shortly, there will be no USA3000. U5 has about 29 flights per week from ORD, or about 4 flights per day, and one gate - M5 (per wikipedia).

However, Apple Travel is transferring to F9 quite a number of the routes that U5 has, and there will be quite a number more to be. And there are already 2X weekly F9 flights scheduled from ORD (HUX and MBJ) in lieu of the U5 this season.

This transfer of routes from U5 to F9 has provided some opportunity for F9. For example, F9 had no non-stop service from DEN/BOS (most likely because F9 doesn't find it needs to compete with UA, B6, and WN on an already crowded market). But because of the Apple Vacation discontinuance of their U5 operations, and F9 contracting to take over the Boston routes for Apple, there is now a weekly F9 non-stop flight DEN/BOS and reverse, an aircraft reposition flight started basically because of the Apple contract. It doesn't sound like much, but F9 now has incentive to sell seats here, and does.

There are strong indications that F9 will be taking over a big number of the U5 operations over the near future. A number of these could be the U5 flights out of ORD. And with that there is most importantly the valued ORD gate, Having one gate, (even if it is in the international terminal, I believe) F9 could start selling the seats on the birds that they use to service the Apple Vacations flights. So.... it could be possible that F9 will soon be having scheduled service into/out of ORD which would involve more than the discontinued U5 flights. I could bet that at least a couple of these could be DEN/ORD, and F9 could compete with both UA and AA here.

A lot of eyes watching here? ...and this could get interesting as this plays out......

F9 at ORD......?  







[Edited 2011-11-16 22:35:40]
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:06 pm

this year has been pretty good for cargo at ord, some new carriers in chicago...

Yangtze River Express
Air Bridge Cargo
Emirates Cargo
Qatar Cargo

Cargolux is flying 10x weekly(giving Chicago the most flights out of all cities in North America.) compared to 4 just couple years ago
BA brought in 747-8F

We are expecting more regulars with the -8F in the coming months, with Cargolux, Cathay, ABC, Korean Cargo,NCA as well as BA.
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:49 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 7):
F9 at ORD......?

Oh they better not!!!     
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:11 pm

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 9):
Oh they better not!!!

Well, they're already there, doing a very small number of flights (ORD-MBJ/HUX) for Apple Vacations. And there could likely be more to come as U5 winds down. With a number of planes going in and out of ORD, it would make sense to sell the seats on any planes that may be coming used here for reposition. F9 is already doing this with BOS. And they'll have their gate.
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:37 pm

There is continued talk that Air Jamaica/Caribbean Airlines will start ORD-KIN-MBJ next year.
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 7:49 pm

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 5):
Technically that's not a loss, just a change of equipment/airline on that route as DL is flying in 5x weekly. Oh, and can we refrain from the whole 'DL is so much worse than AF,' thing please?

Interestingly, and contrary to prediction when this change of equipment/airline was announced, the Delta flight both departs and arrives into T5. I posted this last week - the marque for T2 at ORD has a small sub-line which says, "Delta flight to Paris departs from Int'l Terminal 5." Most people had speculated that the 763 would depart from T2, much like how other US carriers only operate int'l arrivals into T5.

Could be a promising sign that AF is indeed slated to return this summer.

Also interesting - AF and KLM used to have separate check-in counters at T5, but they have been consolidated into one (the KLM counter) and it displays, "AF-KLM-DELTA" all the way through. The new Copa flight has taken over the former AF counter.

On a separate note - where does VX fly from T5 at ORD? I see a VX a/c occupying a T5 gate almost every time I drive by it.
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:37 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 12):
On a separate note - where does VX fly from T5 at ORD? I see a VX a/c occupying a T5 gate almost every time I drive by it.

Are you sure it wasn't VS?

VS (Virgin Atlantic Airways) flies from T5 to LHR. VX (Virgin America) flies from T3 Concourse L to LAX and SFO.
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:02 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 3):
-Iceland Express to KEF

Has there been any indication that they'll be returning next year? It's no longer an option on their booking engine and it's not on their route map which states this table:

Summer 2012
Valid from 1 June to 31 August 2012*
Alicante 2x weekly
Barcelona 1x weekly
Basel 1x weekly
Berlin 3x weekly
Billund 2x weekly
Bologna 1x weekly
Edinburgh 2x weekly
Frankfurt Hahn 2x weekly
Gothenburg 2x weekly
Copenhagen 9x weekly
London Gatwick 10x weekly
New York Newark 6x weekly
Oslo 2x weekly
Paris 4x weekly
Warsaw 2x weekly
*Published subject to changes.

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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:33 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 13):
Are you sure it wasn't VS?

VS (Virgin Atlantic Airways) flies from T5 to LHR. VX (Virgin America) flies from T3 Concourse L to LAX and SFO.

Nope. Virgin America.
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 9:57 pm

There have been threads about an ORD-LIM-SCL flight some time due to alliances. Any realistic chances?

I've heard CX is doing well to HKG from ORD, but I don't have sources to confirm this other than the flights have a good load factor.
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:39 pm

CI have been mumbling (? maybe hallucinating) about ORD for years. With the new open skies agreement between Japan and Taiwan and joining Skyteam I can see a ORD-Japan-TPE at some point.
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:25 am

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 1):
And if VX wins the LGA slot auction, they have stated that most of those slots would be used for ORD-LGA.

I couldn't think of a worse use for the slots. CHI-NYC is already a 6-way (not even counting CO) bloodbath involving DL, AA, UA, WN, B6, and NK, with 4 of those on ORD-LGA specifically. $99 roundtrips are abundant as little as a week out... and I know VX is great and all but I'll stick with DL Shuttle purely to avoid the CTB at LGA.

Lord I hope they don't win the bid, I actually want VX to survive!
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:57 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 15):
Nope. Virgin America.

They RON a plane or two at T5 when their T3 gate (they only have 1) is in use.
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:48 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 10):
Well, they're already there, doing a very small number of flights (ORD-MBJ/HUX) for Apple Vacations. And there could likely be more to come as U5 winds down. With a number of planes going in and out of ORD, it would make sense to sell the seats on any planes that may be coming used here for reposition. F9 is already doing this with BOS. And they'll have their gate.

I know what you mean. The ops at MDW are not that big. They operate MDW-DEN 4x daily. Something that can be easily moved over to ORD and take on more Apple charter flying. If a move ever happens and they are to operate at T5 like U5, F9 will have a better facility to operate out of than U5 will have. Terminal 5 is to get new concessions built past security. The interior of T5 is going to be remodel, and will be completed by 2013.
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 6:58 pm

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 20):
I know what you mean. The ops at MDW are not that big. They operate MDW-DEN 4x daily. Something that can be easily moved over to ORD and take on more Apple charter flying. If a move ever happens and they are to operate at T5 like U5, F9 will have a better facility to operate out of than U5 will have. Terminal 5 is to get new concessions built past security. The interior of T5 is going to be remodel, and will be completed by 2013.

Yeah, and will be keeping my attention watching this.

But what we do know with certainty at this time is only that U5, as an airline, will soon shut down. That would mean that ORD is going to be losing an airline.

Also, with certainty, is that F9 will be at least offering charter operations from ORD this season with flights to HUX and MBJ.

We know that U5 possesses one valuable gate at ORD, and according to wikipedia, this is 5M.

We know that F9 will be taking over more and more of the Apple Vacations U5 flights as U5 goes and goes and is finally gone. There are a number of flights that F9 has already taken over in a number of cities, including ORD, and there are going to be more. A lot of where these cities and routes are that F9 will be taking over the next few years I believe as yet TBD, although ORD has a big chunk of U5 flights.

We do know that projections of CPE (cost per enplaned passenger, what airports charge airlines) for ORD will be around about $31 by 2018, and for MDW it will be around $13 by 2018.

So with F9, how much will they want to expand into ORD, or have the desire to do it? Will the high costing CPE keep F9 at a minimal at ORD with just the Apple Vacations charter operations? Would they want to split their current flights between ORD and MDW? Will they want to keep MDW as is, and add flights to ORD? Will they want to move to ORD (now that it seems that maybe they have a gate) and leave MDW altogether and compete at ORD with UA/AA, rather than at MDW with WN?

It seems that ORD gates are worth their weight in gold, eh? And supposedly, Brendan Air (the certificate for U5) is negotiating with F9 (or maybe rather RAH, owner of F9) for F9 to take over the lease agreements for the A320s that Brendan Air has remaining, to service the Apple Vacation flights. Can, or will, F9 (RAH) go even further and maybe even take over the certificate for Brendan Air, which includes a lot of the vacation routes, and probably the ORD gate? There are probably both pluses and minuses for such, so........? Or will Apple Vacations just close up the certificate?

Hmmmmmmm?

But at any rate, these are some minor changes at ORD at present.
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:15 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 21):
We know that U5 possesses one valuable gate at ORD, and according to wikipedia, this is 5M.

No airline possesses any gate at Terminal 5. All gates are common use. Wikipedia has it wrong.
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:18 pm

Quoting loggat (Reply 19):
They RON a plane or two at T5 when their T3 gate (they only have 1) is in use.

Thanks!

On a separate note, I have noticed the following airline signage still remains at the Departures Upper level (where pax are dropped off) at T5:

-El Al Israel
-China Eastern Airlines (since when did they fly to ORD???)
-BMI
-Cayman Airways
-Austrian
-Mexicana (and their counters still exist, too!)

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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:26 pm

Quoting nomoreRJs (Thread starter):
Anything realistic for 2012 at ORD?

Isn't major construction slated to start? Could that influence an airline's decision to delay the start of ORD service?
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:26 pm

Quite a few more CO 738 ops at ORD -- including ORD-RSW starting in March 2012. Currently the route is operated on an E170.

I think it's only a matter of time before the 738 are used on ORD-TPA/MIA/JAX. RSW, FLL, PBI, and MCO will all have 738 frequencies by the middle of next year.
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:28 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 23):
-China Eastern Airlines (since when did they fly to ORD???)

I want to say it was early 90's, they flew an MD-11 PEK-SEA-ORD.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 23):
-Cayman Airways

They are seasonal and should be resuming service in a couple of weeks.
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:32 pm

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 23):
-China Eastern Airlines (since when did they fly to ORD???)

I think it was sometime between 2002 and 2004, but I'm not sure. MU now codeshares with AA to ORD.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 23):
-Mexicana (and their counters still exist, too!)

MX didn't shut down all that long ago, and they were one of the biggest foreign carriers at ORD. Did MX ever rebrand their ORD counters with their (short-lived) final identity?
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:46 pm

Quoting point2point (Reply 21):
We know that U5 possesses one valuable gate at ORD, and according to wikipedia, this is 5M.

USA3000 uses whatever gates are open at T5 since they are all common use. What you see on wiki, that 5M refers to Terminal 5 and the M is for the concourse lettering they have going. Terminal 5 has gates M1-M21. So basically U5 doesn't have any gates.

Frontier like U5 only uses the common use gates at MDW, usually A2(FIS gate) and A1 when A2 is in use. At MDW we still have three empty gates on C, would be nice to see someone take those. Lately F9 has been using A1 because we have been getting between 6 to 9 daily international flights some days of the week.

But I do hope F9 stays at MDW, seems like everyone wants to go over ORD.   I guess WN is too much for everyone to take but not two airilnes hubbing at ORD??
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:59 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 27):
MX didn't shut down all that long ago, and they were one of the biggest foreign carriers at ORD. Did MX ever rebrand their ORD counters with their (short-lived) final identity?

Yeah, their new-branded counters are still there today.

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 28):
But I do hope F9 stays at MDW, seems like everyone wants to go over ORD. I guess WN is too much for everyone to take but not two airilnes hubbing at ORD??

Actually, it has a lot less to do with WN's control over the market share at MDW and more to do with which airport draws the more lucrative traffic. One of the biggest phenomenons is why ORD seems to remain the "preferred" airport when in reality, MDW is actually a lot closer and quicker to access from the Chicago Loop, esp by ways of the L.

Truth is, a lot of business travel into Chicago heads to the suburban areas, many of which are headquartered closer to O'Hare. These particular suburban areas, moreover, tend to be little more affluent and hence draw more frequent travelers when compared to the areas surrouding Midway. This is the same case with Chicago-originating traffic; the areas surrounding MDW are a bit more blue collar/working class and a smaller need for corporate travel. However, MDW functions great for lower fare/leisurely travel as it is quick and easy to fly in and out.

Also, obviously the Int'l flights need to fly into ORD because of the larger runways, terminal space, immigration facilities, amongst other reasons. However, there are a few LCCs which fly shorter-haul Int'l flights out of MDW to Canada and Mexico. MDW also caters to some of the large Hispanic/Latino immigrant neighborhoods located closer to MDW than O'Hare. Volaris seems to have tapped well into that market.
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:35 pm

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 5):
'DL is so much worse than AF,' thing please

From a spotter point of view I would rather have AF, I wish though we would be back in the days when AF sent their 747's

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 23):
Mexicana (and their counters still exist, too!)

Was at T5 the other week, CX now has those counters (it did take a long time to take down the MX signs)

It would be nice if we could get Eva or China airlines (PAX, I know their cargo comes here) or an A380 from KE or LH
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:19 pm

Quoting Kyrone (Reply 22):
No airline possesses any gate at Terminal 5. All gates are common use. Wikipedia has it wrong.
Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 28):
USA3000 uses whatever gates are open at T5 since they are all common use. What you see on wiki, that 5M refers to Terminal 5 and the M is for the concourse lettering they have going. Terminal 5 has gates M1-M21. So basically U5 doesn't have any gates.

Okay, thanks, I guess wikipedia isn't perfect huh? And reading wiki, I thought they did have a gate.

Nonetheless, I guess the fuss about gates (VX) is on the other terminals then?
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:09 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 12):
Interestingly, and contrary to prediction when this change of equipment/airline was announced, the Delta flight both departs and arrives into T5. I posted this last week - the marque for T2 at ORD has a small sub-line which says, "Delta flight to Paris departs from Int'l Terminal 5." Most people had speculated that the 763 would depart from T2, much like how other US carriers only operate int'l arrivals into T5.

There are reasons we operate it in and out of T5. We only have 1 gate at T2, E15 that can accommodate a widebody, but it requires the blocking of E13. So we'd lose 2 gates for 1 flight, and the questions then become, "What if the E15 jetway goes down?" And, "What if it goes on extended maintenance?" The other problem is our bagroom in T2 simply isn't big enough to stage the cans needed while still handling the domestic flying. The ticket counter isn't really big enough to handle the check-in of another 200 people at once. And finally, at that time of day we have several departures and the concourse would be so packed with passengers it would almost be impossible to move around. A few of those problems could be solved if we get E8, but that doesn't seem likely.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 12):
Could be a promising sign that AF is indeed slated to return this summer.

It'll actually be back earlier than that, mid-March is when AF will be returning to the route. The whole reason for the switch has to do with the joint venture agreement that DL has to operate a certain percentage and AF has to operate a certain percentage of trans-Atlantic flights.
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:46 am

How many total gates does DL have at ORD?
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:34 am

Quoting ordjoe (Reply 30):
Was at T5 the other week, CX now has those counters (it did take a long time to take down the MX signs)

I thought CX took JAL's former counters......
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:55 pm

Quoting ericaasen (Reply 32):
There are reasons we operate it in and out of T5.

Thanks for the explanation. It totally makes logical sense given the short duration of the change. It could be too early to tell, but will this be a seasonal yet recurring change (due to the agreements of the JV?) or will AF return for the long run after March? Again, probably will need to see through the end of the trial period to know for sure, but if the swap was made on the terms of the JV, then perhaps the permanant switches at EWR and SEA are sufficient to fulfill the terms without needing to swap out ORD...just a thought.

Quoting WROORD (Reply 4):
One would hope that once LATAM joins either Star or OneWorld there would be some flights to South America Like ORD-SCL or ORD-GIG.
Also, once BBI is open ORD-BBI.

ORD-South America is truly a toss-up in my opinion. On one hand, I can see it being possible given that LATAM will have 787s in a few years that make long-stage routes such as ORD-SCL/EZE more economically viable.

However, on the flip side, I don't really see how ORD will fill any particular void that remains in the US-Latin America traffic market that can't already be filled via the US gateways at MIA, DFW, ATL, IAH, LAX or JFK in the interim. Not to mention, connecting opportunities via Central American hubs (MEX, PTY) is plentiful.

The travel time between Chicago and Buenos Aires is over 11-12 hours in each direction, and would require two aircraft in order to provide competitive schedules. This route has a pretty poor performance record. I certainly cannot see ORD-SCL staging a better fight at survival than ORD-EZE, and there's truly not enough O&G traffic between ORD and GIG to sustain a year-round flight to Rio. Just my opinion.

And I have no idea what BBI is??
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:19 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 35):
I have no idea what BBI is

Berlin Brandenburg Airport, Berlin's new airport, due to open in 2012.

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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:25 am

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 29):
Also, obviously the Int'l flights need to fly into ORD because of the larger runways, terminal space, immigration facilities, amongst other reasons. However, there are a few LCCs which fly shorter-haul Int'l flights out of MDW to Canada and Mexico. MDW also caters to some of the large Hispanic/Latino immigrant neighborhoods located closer to MDW than O'Hare. Volaris seems to have tapped well into that market.

I know how MDW functions, and I know they can't take widebodies.

Quoting IrishAyes (Reply 35):
And I have no idea what BBI is??

BBI is what SXF will become once all the construction will be done. New Berlin airport.

Quoting Kyrone (Reply 34):
I thought CX took JAL's former counters......

Last time I was at T5 in late September that's what I saw, CX has the former JAL counters with the MX counters still intact.
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:05 am

Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 37):
BBI is what SXF will become once all the construction will be done. New Berlin airport.

I thought the new SXF airport code was going to be BER? Is the BBI/BER differentiation similar to the differences between DEN and DIA?
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:25 am

Quoting type-rated (Reply 33):
How many total gates does DL have at ORD?

We have 8. E6, E9, E10, E11, E12, E13, E14, and E15. DL also owns E7, but subleases it to US. We're also renting one gate at T5 for the CDG operation and so far it's been either M1 or M3.
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:32 am

Quoting mhkansan (Reply 38):
I thought the new SXF airport code was going to be BER? Is the BBI/BER differentiation similar to the differences between DEN and DIA?

You are correct it is to be BER. I know BBI is what it was being used at first.
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:55 am

Maybe NK will start some international service out of ORD. BOG?
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:50 pm

Boring? The megahubs are the only airports with non-stagnant activity
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:31 am

Quoting point2point (Reply 7):
A lot of eyes watching here? ...and this could get interesting as this plays out......

F9 at ORD......?  

I realize this post is about ORD, but F9 also opens operations at RFD (Chicago Rockford International) next month (service to DEN via the 319). With that said, I was wondering if they were going to consider shifting MDW operations to ORD!?!?! (This is before I heard about U5 in an earlier post). I've always enjoyed F9 (and its former personality MidEx) and think they'd be a good fit at ORD.
 
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RE: Anything New To ORD For 2012?

Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:12 pm

Construction wise, ORD will be busy in 2012.

UA and CO will shift more aircraft and will make some route changes.

Spirit or Virgin expansion?

International service:
EK possibly?
QR possibly?
380 service on KE?
748 service on LH?
787 service on someone?
AV possibly? (very long shot)
CX second flight?

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