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Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:41 pm

Dear,

Like every year at the same period, I come back here, on Airliners.net, to write some words for the memory of the 181 victims of Avianca flight 011, on Sunday, November 27th, 1983.

The Avianca Boeing 747, HK-2910X, crashed only 45 seconds from its landing in Madrid-Barajas airport. This was a terrible accident, with only 11 survivors.

last year, I told here I was preparing a book about that tragedy. I was at the boarding gate of the tragic flight with the passengers, and after years and years, I decided to write a book talking about the accident; why this accident occurred, how it happened, and the terrible consequences of this disaster.

A book is a long and hard work of search, but now with all the documents I keep since 1983, with the help of some friends who were working with me at Paris-CDG airport the evening of the accident, and with the help of my contacts in Colombia, and mainly Daniel in Bucaramanga, Jaime in Florida, Julian In Spain, and all the others, the writing of this book will be finished at the end of the month, for the 28th anniversary of that tragedy.

I want to thank all those people who helped me to realize this book, and I want to have a special thought for Francesca; she lost her husband Sergio in the accident. Francesca lives in Roma, and since 28 years, she ask for many questions about this tragedy, but no one gives any answers, then this book will finally give her, and all the families spread around the world, but mainly in Europe and in Colombia, the requested answers.

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Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:49 pm

It's great that you're documenting this tragedy. Important figures of colombian society were lost on that flight. Let me know when your book comes out, I will gladly buy it.
 
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:14 pm

yes some famous faces were onboard the 747 this particular evening; Marta Traba, Manuel Scorza, Angel Rama, Jorge Ibargüengoitia...

I will let you know for sure. You can contact me at irene.girardeau@neuf.fr, as for a lot of persons, I keep the addresses then when it will be printed, i will let you know before to send it to you.

Thank you.
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Thu Nov 17, 2011 8:55 pm

the problem concerning this tragedy, is that there is nothing, nothing in Mejorada del Campo, on the crash site, to remember. No plaque, no memorial, no date, no names, only nothing. Nobody, I think mainly about the families and friends, nobody can visit the accident site to remember and meditate, and there, I confess that for many people it is a total misunderstanding ...
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:42 am

I remember all the news and the hype of the media when I heard about the accident early in my childhood. That is as far as I can recollect from my memory. Sorry for my lack of knowledge on this, but was this accident a pilot error? Let AV011 be remembered
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:58 am

Quoting DID747 (Thread starter):
Like every year at the same period,

I remember your posts from previous years. I think they are a great tribute to the lives lost on AV011. It's incredible that you took the time and effort to write a book to honor the victims.

Last year I mentioned AA191 that crashed at ORD in 1979 still not having a memorial. Well just recently a memorial was finally dedicated to the victims. The daughter of one of the victims, a school teacher, got her class and school to start a grassroots movement to get a memorial. I hope one day AV011 will have it's own memorial too.

Where you a gate agent at CDG for AV011?
 
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:12 am

Thank you very much. I would like to help the families to understand, then if possible, with them, build a memorial on the crash site, but nothing is sure at this time...
I was working in CDG, terminal 1. One of our work was to assist the passengers while delayed flights, with drinks, lunches, diners. So each time, we had a delayed flight, I spent a time with passengers and crews, then after the waiting time, I accompanied them to the gate and I often spent some time with them, until the departure, and mainly when it was an Avianca flight, because I was a fan of Avianca 747 fleet. These birds were coming in CDG 3 times/week and it was always a pleasure to see these very colorful 747.
The Avianca flights were often late, it was the reason, I knew the crews members as well, I met them regularly.
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Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:19 pm

Quoting DID747 (Thread starter):
The Avianca Boeing 747, HK-2910X

this a/c was the former SAS LN-RNA (cn 21381/311) "Magnus Viking"

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Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:02 am

yes, LN-RNA, the former SAS 747, was operated by Scanair while summer 1982, then joined the Avianca fleet in August 1982 at the start of a 3 years lease agreement, and it become HK-2910X.



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Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:09 pm

Quoting thegoldenargosy (Reply 5):
I hope one day AV011 will have it's own memorial too.

yes, me too, but it seems today, on the crash site, people are not thinking like us!!!
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:27 pm

It seems today, most of the inabitants of the city of Mejorada del Campo, don't want to remember, then they don't want to see a memorial on the crash site, curious, I don't understand, where is the respect?

we don't have to forget 181 persons lost the life there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:03 pm

I myself have tried to find information regarding this accident over the years, but today I stumbled on this report from Spain's equivalent of the NTSB (CIAIAC). Report is written in Castellano (Spanish).

A-042/1983 Informe Técnico del Accidente Sufrido por la Aeronave Boeing 747-283B, Matrícula HK-2910, a 12 KM. del Aeropuerto de Madrid-Barajas el día 27 de Noviembre de 1983
 
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:41 pm

yes, it is the Spanish equivalent, I have received it years ago, but it is not complete. lot of inforation are not in that investigation and report.
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 8:43 pm

Quoting DID747 (Reply 10):
It seems today, most of the inabitants of the city of Mejorada del Campo, don't want to remember, then they don't want to see a memorial on the crash site, curious, I don't understand, where is the respect?

I'm surprised AV still operates #11, and it's MADBOG? When that happens in the US people blow their lids.
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:17 am

What exactly happened to AV011?
 
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:30 pm

The 747 HK-2910X, flight Avianca 011 crashed only 45 seconds from its landing in Madrid-Barajas after a very important altitude lost. It felt down after 3 violent impacts with the ground close to the city of Mejorada del Campo.

181 persons died, and 11 passengers survived, it was while the night of saturday, november 26th and Sunday, november 27th, 1983.
it was a traumatism for the rescue members, and a tragedy for Avianca and the families, who 28 years after, still don't know exacty what happened, so my book will explain all the reasons of this crash, second by second, since the start of flight 010 from Bogota then the tragic return flight to Madrid, and south America.
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:38 pm

Didier,... welcome to my RUL !!!

All the best to you !!!
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:10 pm

Hi Horacio, what can I do for you?
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Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:15 pm

I was reading the Wikipedia page for Avianca and was surprised to see that this accident isn't listed under the Accidents/Incidencts sections....Weird.

RIP to the victims.

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Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:15 pm

Please don't forget, Sunday November 27th, will be the 28th anniversary of that tragedy, so 181 candles will shine in our small church in France for all these persons who lost the life during this tragic flight...

send the message round you please...
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Sun Nov 27, 2011 7:36 am

Today, sunday, exactly like sunday November, 27th, 1983, I woke up and listened at the radfio while breakfast. But in 1983, the first info was the accident of flight Avianca 011, it was terrible.

28 years, but still in my head as it was yesterday, it is a curious feeling this morning...
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Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:45 am

Quoting DID747 (Thread starter):
Avianca 011 Tragedy, Remember



I was in MAD by that time and remember that the official report said something about running out of fuel. I think that was true. So sad that many people died just because someone didn´t want to fill the tank in CDG because it was more expensive that MAD.

Somehow, it´s like AVIANCA B- 707-3 FL 52 that crashed in NY on 1990. It run out of fuel.

I think accidents caused by running out of fuel are the most unforgivable type of accidents.
 
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Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:18 am

Quoting ferminbrif (Reply 21):
I was in MAD by that time and remember that the official report said something about running out of fuel. I think that was true. So sad that many people died just because someone didn´t want to fill the tank in CDG because it was more expensive that MAD.

The accident was due to CFIT, Pilot error, nothing to do with fuel. The Captain set out to intercept the ILS on an incorrect track, essentially by turning to final before reaching the MAD VOR, which was the prescribed postion for the turn-to-final maneuver, thus flying below the minimum height for more than a minute. The GPWS sounded 23 sec. before impact, the crew taking no action.

The Co-pilot also made a mistake when giving the Minimum Altitude for crossing the Outer Marker by informing the Captain the altitude shoud be 2,382 ft instead of 3,282 ft essentially inverting two digits. After the turn however, they never intercepted any ILS signal and did not check DME from the MAD VOR. Apparently only receiving guidance by the ADF.

They crashed at an elevation of 2,250 ft, nose up attitude and a heading of 285 degrees. IAS was 260 km/hr, landing gear extended, 20 degree flap. Three impacts, after which the aircraft started to disintegrate and finally came to rest inverted. Fire damage was extensive.

The reason for the turn out of position could have been the result of a lack of positional awareness, a mistake by the INS or a mis-interpretation of the approach chart. It was never conclusively determined. There were also some deviation of protocol by ground control, the most important beign not telling the crew that radar service had been terminated.

In short, a long list of events that if one had been interrupted, the crash may not have occured, which is, usually, the case in most accidents.

[Edited 2011-11-27 21:34:16]
 
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Mon Nov 28, 2011 4:39 pm

Quoting DID747 (Thread starter):
Like every year at the same period, I come back here, on Airliners.net, to write some words for the memory of the 181 victims of Avianca flight 011, on Sunday, November 27th, 1983.

Didier, as well you should.

We have often discussed how some crashes have touched us personally, and clearly this one has touched you. Very nice that you keep the memory alive.

Quoting AR385 (Reply 22):
In short, a long list of events that if one had been interrupted, the crash may not have occurred, which is, usually, the case in most accidents.

You are right, and sadly, this is an excellent example of the Reason Swiss Cheese model, and one that we often study during recurrent training.

One of the major causes of this accident was not respecting the GPWS. I wont say ignore, as it was acknowledged, just not respected. That was common in these early days, as the system was not that reliable, and spurious incorrect warnings were quite common.

Two things have happened as a result of this (and others) accident. Firstly the GPWS and EGPWS systems are now very sophisticated, and incorrect warnings are now very rare. Secondly, it is now SOP that unless you have absolute visual confirmation that the GPWS warning is unwarranted, you effect a full go-around to maximum effort of the aircraft.

We learn something from every accident.

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Mon Nov 28, 2011 8:58 pm

Quoting AR385 (Reply 22):
The accident was due to CFIT, Pilot error, nothing to do with fuel



It may be true that the accident was due to CFIT, Pilot/Co-Pilot error, etc. That day the fog was extremely heavy in MAD. You couldn´t even see a few Mt's in front of you. However you can not say that the crash had nothing to do with fuel. I remember the crash: there were no fire. The reason was that there were no fuel to burn.
 
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Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:02 pm

I aplogyze for my coment above. I think I was kinda confused about the incident.
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:43 am

Dear Ferminbrif, sorry but I think you are not talking about the AV 011 accident, but another one, for sure!

While the night, at the crash time, the weather was very nice, without any cloud and wind, and the crash is not due to a fuel problem. But yes, early morning on sunday November 27th, fog and cold weather were there.

At the crash time, there were a lot of explosions and the rescue teams had much difficulties to approach the wreckage because of the fires everywhere due to the different explosions.

we can consider it is a pilot error first , but not only, and what about the ground control?
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:57 am

The Spanish investigation do never talk about the Spain air control authority!!! Curious, isn't it?
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:25 pm

Quoting DID747 (Reply 26):
Dear Ferminbrif, sorry but I think you are not talking about the AV 011 accident, but another one, for sure!


That´s right DID747. Definitely, I was mistakenly confused.
That´s why I apologize for my comments above about this accident. Next time, I´m gonna be more careful.
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:56 pm

do you remember which accident you were thinking about?
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:33 pm

Quoting DID747 (Reply 29):
do you remember which accident you were thinking about?

From his mention of fuel, I would guess he was thinking of this accident approaching JFK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avianca_Flight_52
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:00 pm

Dear Longhauler,

I hope you are fine.

yes, our friend Ferminbrif through about another Avianca accident, in USA this time, Avianca Boeing 707 flight 052 during the approach to JFK, and missing fuel.
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Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:47 pm

[quote=DID747,reply=29]do you remember which accident you were thinking about?[/quote

That´s right dear forum friends. I was mistakenly thinking in AVIANCA B- 707-3 flight 52 that crashed during the approach to JFK on 1990.
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Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:04 am

Quoting EXCOASA1982 (Reply 18):
I was reading the Wikipedia page for Avianca and was surprised to see that this accident isn't listed under the Accidents/Incidencts sections....Weird.

From which page is it missing? It's on:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._incidents_on_commercial_airliners

And has been since at least January (I didn't look back further).

It is listed as "Avianca 11" instead of "011".
 
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Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:01 pm

Didn't Pan Am have an incident similar to this one on some Pacific island? They turned to final before the proper intercept point.
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Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:45 pm

I see that this was one of the rare 747s, that was powered by JT9D-70A, the full cowl version of the JT9D.


I hope you do get this book published.
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:52 pm

I flew on this aircraft from BOG to MIA in 1982, and I remember the engines still had the SAS markings. Tragic indeed. I remember reading a report, in which the captain essentially told the GPWS to "Shut up gringo" shortly before impact. If true, this is a major blemish on such a proud airline, second oldest in the world. My great uncle started in DC-3s and retired as a 747 captain in the late 70s.

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Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:22 pm

Quoting LuisKMIA (Reply 36):
to "Shut up gringo" shortly before impact. If true, this is a major blemish on such a proud airline, second oldest in the world.

Well, I wouldn´t be so hard on them, because:

Quoting longhauler (Reply 23):
One of the major causes of this accident was not respecting the GPWS. I wont say ignore, as it was acknowledged, just not respected. That was common in these early days, as the system was not that reliable, and spurious incorrect warnings were quite common.

I also have heard the phrase you mention quite a few times when talking about this accident. "Cállate gringo" is what a UX Captain, great friend of mine, told me the Avianca Captain said. But, I was not able to substantiate it when I wrote my post on this thread. If those words were really uttered, rather than incompetence, I think it reflects the frustration of the crew with the GPWS, the high workload and the bad conditions they were facing.

[Edited 2011-12-01 12:23:00]
 
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Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:35 pm

Quoting LuisKMIA (Reply 36):
Tragic indeed. I remember reading a report, in which the captain essentially told the GPWS to "Shut up gringo" shortly before impact.
Quoting AR385 (Reply 37):
"Cállate gringo" is what a UX Captain, great friend of mine, told me the Avianca Captain said.

"Shut up Gringo" is an urban legend that just wont die. If you read the transcripts of the accident, you will see this was never said.

If I recall correctly, what was said was "bueno, bueno", which is basically an acknowledgment of the GPWS, but clearly it was not being respected. As I said above, they were not all that reliable in the early days, and it was common to ignore the warning.
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Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:43 pm

This is the only transcript of the Cockpit Voice Recorder I could find. I have to assume it has not been altered:

http://www.fomento.es/NR/rdonlyres/D...BEE0-9EC81EE287C4/8766/Anexo_A.pdf
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Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:51 pm

totaly true, captain Hernandez did never tell this. Where did you read it?

I knew this great man and great pilot, and I can tell you, he was a true professional pilot . he had an obsession; SECURITY.
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:28 am

Quoting DID747 (Reply 40):
Where did you read it?

Unfortuantely Didier ... if one did a google search on "Shut up Gringo" one will find many references to this urban legend. Some even declaring it true! But reading the CVR transcript clearly shows otherwise.

Sometimes one can't kill a good story, even if untrue!
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Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:11 am

dear Longhauler,

I know that sentence was writen and read everywhere since years. I read it on various, curious, and non serious web pages. But the officials reports never mentioned it, never. As you can see, people say anything without knowing anything.

At the time of the accident, captain Hernandez was designated by everyone as the "only" responsible of the crash. It is wrong, totaly wrong!

As I said early, he has an obsession: SECURITY. But we are humans, and a mistake is always possible.

So, I repeat again, he was not the only responsible, not only him.
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:12 am

I would like to know which report talk about the sentence "shut up gringo"...
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Sat Dec 03, 2011 9:25 pm

Hi Didier,

I just recently discovered your posts about the Avianca 011 accident on this forum. I want to say thank you for remembering the victims every year and for the work you put into making the book.

You're not the only one having a close relation to that tragedy. I lost my mother in that crash.

When your book is published, please send me a message. I'd like to buy a copy.
 
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Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:51 pm

As i'm in contact with some families of the victims, you can contact me too, then, all together, may be we could do something in Mejorada del Campo.

Thanks a lot. DID747
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Mon Dec 05, 2011 4:55 am

If the television series Mayday (a/k/a Air Crash Investigation, Air Emergency, Air Disasters) decided to produce a documentary on this accident, do you think the parties would be willing to cooperate with Cineflix to produce it? Also, would you be interested in watching it?
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Mon Dec 05, 2011 7:26 am

I think it would be very interesting to see their story, but I have a huge doubt as to the agreement of some of the parties involved, even 28 years after the fact.
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Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:20 am

Quoting DID747 (Reply 45):
Mejorada del Campo.

The company i used to work for is based at Mejorada del Campo's industrial area, so I know quite a few "mejoreños". I asked some of them about the accident, and even though they of course remembered many details, nobody was able to give me the exact location of the crash site.

I remember that accident pretty well although I was still a kid. It was a tragic month in Madrid since just 10 days later (Dec, 7th), two aircraft collided on the runway at MAD, killing over 90 people. Fog was very thick and an Aviaco DC9 went the wrong way and entered the runway while an Iberia B727 was on take off roll. The IB crew tried to take some last-second evasive action and managed to rotate their aircraft thus saving some of the people onboard the 727. All pax and crew on board AO's DC9 perished in the crash, however.

Here's a video about this accident. It's in Spanish and has some really sad images.

http://youtu.be/ouLXCoFIegQ

[Edited 2011-12-05 02:45:03]
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Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:53 am

indeed, during the 80s, Spain has been particularly hard hit and has paid a heavy price, the air accidents have increased, causing many casualties, it's pretty incredible, but is it fate? it's very sad ...

As I know, majority of Mejorenos don't want to remember more, it was too hard, so we can understand. But I think a memorial would be a good thing for the families, only a memorial with the names of the victims and the date.
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