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What Are UA Plans For 777 Replacement?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:38 pm

Sorry if this has been addressed before, but I couldn't find a thread that discusses this. Does anyone know what UA's plans will be for their 777? Will they purchase additional A350-900's, or even the -1000 model, to replace the 777's? Or maybe wait and see what Boeing's plans are for an updated 777? I believe some of UA's 777's are about 15 years old now, and the CO fleet is a bit newer. In UA's press release, they are replacing the 747's with the A350-900, but its resulting in a system-wide international fleet seat count reduction of about 10 percent (when also retiring 767's as well and replacing those with 787's). Do they plan to make up that 10% loss somehow? The press release also states they will simplify their widebody fleet to only two types (A350 and 787) from three (767, 777 & 747), so no more 777's, although it isn't specifically stated what will become of/replace the 777's. Sorry for the convoluted question, and I don't know the plans post CO/UA merger, but your responses will be much appreciated!
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RE: What Are UA Plans For 777 Replacement?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:30 pm

I would venture to say that after they get experience with both A359 and B789, they will make a choice as to which they will choose to replace B77E. I do recall that they have either 25 or 50 option for each, (someone correct me if I'm wrong) So, in theory, they could do a mixed approach and take all options for additional frequencies and growth. Just a matter of time I suppose.
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RE: What Are UA Plans For 777 Replacement?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:31 pm

The plan when the 787/A350 order was made was that the 777 replacement would be one of these airplanes depending on which performs better. The term better is a bit hard to define, but the reason for 50 options on each the 787 and A350 is so that they could extend one of those fleets to cover the 777s down the road. The options allow for United to not have to focus on negotating specific prices down the road, but have the option to pick the best airplane for their needs. Additionally it leaves both Boeing and Airbus as motivated to keep United as happy as possible with their technical and financial support of the in service planes. With a large aging fleet, United heavily values the support of Boeing and Airbus in their decisions to keep up the reliability numbers and reduce spares & overhaul costs.

At this time, I don't think there is any way to speculate which model they will eventually choose, but the intention is that further widebody orders would be 787 or A350 and not 777x, 747-8 or A380s.
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RE: What Are UA Plans For 777 Replacement?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:07 pm

Thanks for your responses. So United is taking a wait & see approach with the 787 and A350.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 2):
At this time, I don't think there is any way to speculate which model they will eventually choose, but the intention is that further widebody orders would be 787 or A350 and not 777x, 747-8 or A380s.

Its too bad (for me) that United will not be operating the 777 or 747 past this decade. I really enjoyed flying on those planes when I had the opportunities to - domestically and internationally, in business or first class. I still have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that UA will at some point no longer be flying these Boeing planes.
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RE: What Are UA Plans For 777 Replacement?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:18 pm

Quoting lesismore (Reply 3):

Its too bad (for me) that United will not be operating the 777 or 747 past this decade. I really enjoyed flying on those planes when I had the opportunities to - domestically and internationally, in business or first class. I still have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that UA will at some point no longer be flying these Boeing planes.

The 777 retirements will not start until after 2020. The plan was to take delivery of the airplanes replacing 767s and 747s to phase them out by 2019. Starting soon after 2019 is when the 777 retirements will take place depending on whether the 787 or A350 is chosen.

You'll see 777s around for another decade at least in UA colors.
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RE: What Are UA Plans For 777 Replacement?

Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:19 pm

Quoting lesismore (Reply 3):
Its too bad (for me) that United will not be operating the 777 or 747 past this decade.

It's quite likely that UA will be operating the 777 well past 2020 actually the last one may not leave the fleet until after 2030. The 74 of them range in age from 1995-2010 so needless to say they are not going to disappear for quite a few years.
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