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TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:15 am

In addition to EZE, Mogadishu, Misrata announced earlier, TK has announced that, depending on A/C availability, it will start fliyng to Bilbao-La Coruna, Novosibirsk-UlanBaatar, and Abuja-Kano.

Source (in Turkish): http://www.kap.gov.tr/yay/Sorgu/Sorg...ak=slink&sirketID=1107&paketTipi=2

More odd destinations from TK, but way to go! Almost 200 destinations with these.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:34 am

What happened to SYD?
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:41 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 1):
What happened to SYD?

I doubt we will see SYD (or any long haul destination other than the EZE tag-on) next year. Of course surprises do happen a lot with TK.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:44 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 1):
What happened to SYD?

I know! Hanging out to see them down here...
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:44 am

Are they going to use a B737-900 to Novosibirsk-Ulanbaatar?
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:11 am

I am curious to the load factors to destinations such as Ulan Batoor and Mogadishu. Why Mogadishu??? Can they guaruentee the safety of the crew? Who would choose to fly to Mogadishu? It is neither a leisure nor a business destination.

Quoting ju068 (Reply 4):
Are they going to use a B737-900 to Novosibirsk-Ulanbaatar?

Very likely, or the 737-800.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:14 am

I have heard they were due to start FIH (Kinshasa DRC) as from April 2012.

Would it have been a tag-on service..?

Thx for any precisions.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:21 am

Still no Urumqi why?
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:35 am

I was under the impression that TK was starting up Manila (MNL) soonish. This has been mentioned several times during this year, but maybe they are lacking aircraft.
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:42 am

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 1):
What happened to SYD?

TK does not seem to be doing very well on its widebody fleet's economics - so SYD might be a case for 2013.
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:34 am

Everything other than those reported to the stock markets in the above link is just part of TK wishlist or rumor. many African destinations, as well as LIM, MEX, CCS, MNL, SYD, MEL, HAN have all been mentioned, but nothing to talk about yet other than rumors. Even these may not all become reality, like ATL that never materialized.

And a minor correction to the source: http://www.kap.gov.tr/yay/Sirket/Sirket.aspx?sirketId=1107&btnAra=Git Hope this one works. Sorry nothing in English yet.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:53 am

Some interesting destinations there. Other than a few Chinese and Russian airlines, they'll be the only foreign carrier in ULN? Might be a good market. Good luck!
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:17 am

Korean Air also serve ULN and JAL have operated charters there in the past.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:13 pm

ULN will definitely be a good market for them. Big boom going on in Mongolia at the moment!
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:54 pm

Well, I am happy that Turkish airlines has plans for Northern Spain, but LCG is just plain ... odd. I won't enter the usual flame about VGO/SCQ/LCG (a.netters might not be familiar with the issue, but is a long-time favourite in Spanish aviation forums) but this choice of airport is really, really intriguing.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:54 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 10):
Everything other than those reported to the stock markets in the above link is just part of TK wishlist or rumor. many African destinations, as well as LIM, MEX, CCS, MNL, SYD, MEL, HAN have all been mentioned, but nothing to talk about yet other than rumors. Even these may not all become reality, like ATL that never materialized.

MNL is more than rumor. The TK office in MNL is up and running and MNL was announced on TK's web page as well as by their CEO.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:31 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 7):

Still no Urumqi why?


I definitely would have thought URQ would have preceded ULN because of the distance-can be a 737-and Turkic ties. ULN is in the midst of a huge boom but it's too far for a 737.

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 1):
What happened to SYD?

TK would be another one stop in an already brutally competitive market--I don't think TK has a chance in SYD unless it's nonstop, and that's not happening.
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:47 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):
I definitely would have thought URQ would have preceded ULN because of the distance-can be a 737-and Turkic ties. ULN is in the midst of a huge boom but it's too far for a 737.

They could start it with the new 739ERs. A recent article by CAPA mentions that TK might consider expending to Central Asia and India by starting with the 739ERs.

Link: http://www.centreforaviation.com/ana...-to-africa-and-perhaps-india-62632

[Edited 2011-11-19 06:48:26]
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:49 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):
I don't think TK has a chance in SYD unless it's nonstop, and that's not happening.

It wouldn't be hard for TK to bring in a few 77L's to open up routes to Australia/more USA services. I tend to agree with your assessment though, perhaps once they get some A350s or 787s whenever that is...
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:23 pm

Quoting tcm (Reply 17):
They could start it with the new 739ERs. A recent article by CAPA mentions that TK might consider expending to Central Asia and India by starting with the 739ERs

Central Asia east to URC is perfect for the TK739, ULN, however, is about 1000 miles too far unless there's some new huge range boost I'm not aware of.
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:33 pm

AFAIK, IST-ULN is 3218 nautical miles. The published range of the B739ER is 3265. However I am no expert on the subject  
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:36 pm

LCG-BIO is very much a surprise, however, any new destinations from LCG are GREATLY appreciated!!       Now we just need LH/SN/SK or OS to get on the band wagon, and finally put some competition on the OneWorld BA/IB quasi monopoly!!   
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:44 pm

Who on earth will be traveling to Mogadishu... I mean honestly.. That is a strange one. One of the only populated places in the world where no one actually goes. A place where anarchy rules.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:48 pm

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 22):

Who on earth will be traveling to Mogadishu... I mean honestly.. That is a strange one. One of the only populated places in the world where no one actually goes. A place where anarchy rules.

There are a large number of Somalis abroad, such as in the UK. It is surely this VFR market that they seek. I like TK's style: get established in some unusual places before other operators enter the market. And besides: TK would undoubtedly have performed all required analysis before reaching the decision to operate this route.
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:13 pm

A couple points -

TK cannot serve URC as its not allowed in the China bilateral which was renewed only last year. Designated service points are PEK, PVG and CAN.

For Mogadishu, Turkey has had growing government and business including various infrastructure programs such as building a highway, hospitals, schools, and water treatment facilities. There also have been public aid campaign in Turkey for Somalia that collect over $200 million in donations earlier this year. Simply put Somalia is a nation and market that has been designated by the Turkish government for cooperation and investment in. THY has already operated several charters to Mogadishu including an A340 in October. Also keep in mind there is sizable Somali diaspora in Europe particularly in UK and Scandinavia for which TK would be a great routing option.
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:13 pm

Is not a surprise that BIO will be next Spanish destination for TK... but LCG? I would understand SCQ (near to LCG) as bigger airport but... this announcement is really, really appreciated!!!!
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:56 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 16):
I definitely would have thought URQ would have preceded ULN because of the distance-can be a 737-and Turkic ties. ULN is in the midst of a huge boom but it's too far for a 737.

I'm not exactly sure but my guess would be that URQ hasnt happened due to Chinese restrictions. Even though there are Turkic ties in Xinjiang....its also a head butting point between the Chinese and Turkish governments. Massive suppression of the Uighur population has irked many in Turkey to pressure the government to make it an issue to the Chinese government. Also Turkey is home to many Uighur refugees.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 22):

Who on earth will be traveling to Mogadishu... I mean honestly.. That is a strange one. One of the only populated places in the world where no one actually goes. A place where anarchy rules.

I would presume similar to KBL, Mogadishu would bring lots of VFR traffic from all over the world as well as international organizations that operate in Somalia which would drive yields up.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:33 pm

I am desperately waiting for TK to begin GLA, EDI, NCL, in my opinion those have been relinquished to the MEB3 airlines for too long. UK (excl. London of course) has been ignored so far by TK. But no word yet on any of those...
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 8:10 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 27):
UK (excl. London of course) has been ignored so far by TK.

To be accurate, TK does also serve BHX and MAN.
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:02 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 28):
To be accurate, TK does also serve BHX and MAN.

Yes, MAN 7w (was 10w) and BHX 5w...
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:11 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 28):
To be accurate, TK does also serve BHX and MAN.

True, it just is way behind EK outside on LON (even there EK operates, what, 8 dailies?) and that is what I meant. Could support more than 5 weekly to BHX in my opinion with proper connections (to India / Pakistan for example).
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:26 pm

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 27):
waiting for TK to begin GLA, EDI, NCL, in my opinion those have been relinquished to the MEB3 airlines for too long. UK (excl. London of course) has been ignored so far by TK.

Those and maybe CWL/BRS and LBA may work well if TK is to add least 3 big cities in Western India (have AMD, JAI, ATQ, PNQ to choose from) and offer immediate connections between those major secondary Indian and UK airports @ IST.

If TK wants to expand in the Americas, EZE and GIG are good choices. Other potential TK destinations should be Star Alliance hubs.
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:21 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 24):
For Mogadishu, Turkey has had growing government and business including

How safe is that airport?
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:06 am

Quoting SASMD82 (Reply 5):
Ulan Batoor
Quoting gabrielchew (Reply 11):
Might be a good market. Good luck!

I think they could do great with this because of Mongolia's growing mining market
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:08 am

Well there is regular international and domestic scheduled service there already for a few years and in 2010 a UAE firm took over the management and operations of the facility.
I believe the only operational restriction is daylight ops, until the runway is rebuilt and airfield lighting is upgraded.

TK has already been there on charters up to A340 sized aircraft so I'm sure they have a good feel for the conditions.
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:50 am

Oh NO!!! No MIA  I was expecting them here next year.
I will be flying them next month to ADD, looking forward to it.

Quoting klwright69 (Reply 22):
Who on earth will be traveling to Mogadishu... I mean honestly.. That is a strange one. One of the only populated places in the world where no one actually goes. A place where anarchy rules.

There is a big political push by Turkey in Somalia. Even the PM and his wife were on the ground doing some humanitarian work a couple of months ago. Mr. Erdogan has Islamic street cred - TK is probably banking on that. As it stands, any other airliner would be an Al Shabab target. Wondering how the insurance premium is though. And will it actually be a nonstop from IST or route via another destination like ADD, NBO?

Definitely lots of VFR traffic, even in these difficult times. And if the situation improves in Somalia (as we all wish it does) TK will be in a great position to reap the benefits. Interesting and at least for me, an unexpected move by TK.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:51 am

So I guess that puts the BOS rumor to rest....
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:05 am

Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 30):
even there EK operates, what, 8 dailies?

5.

In any case, EK is 20 years ahead of TK. I'd be willing to wager that EK's strength in the UK is partly the result of its strength out of Australia.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:36 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 37):
In any case, EK is 20 years ahead of TK. I'd be willing to wager that EK's strength in the UK is partly the result of its strength out of Australia.

= EK *may* be 20 years ahead, but TK is an airline that will have a better future than EK - a vast global network, a home market people want to actually visit (notwithstanding fan-boy claims of DXB being a true O&D destination), and a smart array of destinations in Europe.

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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:51 am

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 38):
but TK is an airline that will have a better future than EK

I tend to agree, but we will have to see. TK is not quite as optimally placed as EK is -- IST is a big detour for Asia-Africa traffic, IST is getting to a 16-17 hour flight from Australia which places them at a significant disadvantage and they're a big detour for Asia-S.America. I think TK will have a much harder job establishing themselves as a true EK competitor.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:08 am

TK has a huge advantage that EK does not with geography. Its sits at the door step of Europe and can offer multiple daily flights to lots of markets. So while EK might only manage a single A330/777 to a city, TK can run 3-4 737/320s each day.

End result is more mix and match connection opportunity as a result particularly from medium and smaller European markets.

But at the end of the day, TK is not competing necessarily with EK, but instead its hurting more the European network carriers by stealing growing portions of their once home markets.
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:11 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 39):

I tend to agree, but we will have to see. TK is not quite as optimally placed as EK is -- IST is a big detour for Asia-Africa traffic, IST is getting to a 16-17 hour flight from Australia which places them at a significant disadvantage and they're a big detour for Asia-S.America. I think TK will have a much harder job establishing themselves as a true EK competitor.

= Let's wait and see. Fair enough on some points - BUT:

+ I think TK is at a disadvantage on India-Africa traffic (where EK will have more tough competition from ET), but NOT all Asia-Africa traffic. For example, a NRT-IST-LOS itinerary is actually shorter than via DXB. Even PEK-LOS via IST is shorter than DXB. In the end, I don't think it would matter as actual elapsed time and easy of connection would be far more important. IST needs to upgrade its airport and that would be a challenge. Unlike the UAE, Turkey is a democracy and cannot just evict people as Dubai can do.

+ I disagree on Asia-South America as well. Again, might be true for India-South America, but for China-South America, IST is a shorter routing.

+ I also disagree on Australia. Again, IST is a shorter routing. But as others have pointed out, why compete for this traffic anyways. Smarter airlines have realized that Australia is notoriously low yielding and have left others to take care of it.

+ Finally, to look at TK's ambition - take a closer look at its European map. Oh and politically, unlike EK, TK is not perceived as this airline out to destroy others. In aviation, that perception matters.

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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:59 am

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 40):
So while EK might only manage a single A330/777 to a city, TK can run 3-4 737/320s each day.

EK could run multiple daily smaller aircraft on most routes (see QR) but chose to maintain a fleet that consists only of widebody aircraft. Doesn't stop them steadily adding capacity though, which brings with it frequency (see MAN as an example). I agree TK are able to target smaller airports though.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 41):
Again, might be true for India-South America, but for China-South America, IST is a shorter routing.
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 41):
Again, IST is a shorter routing

I confess I should have looked at a wider range of examples (I did HKG and SIN when investigating, which are pretty similarly placed). At the end of the day it will depend on TK's ability to break into these markets while battling a disadvantage into India (which I personally see as being pretty major) and the entire SE Asian region (HKG, SIN, MNL, BKK, KUL et al).

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 41):
I also disagree on Australia. Again, IST is a shorter routing. But as others have pointed out, why compete for this traffic anyways. Smarter airlines have realized that Australia is notoriously low yielding and have left others to take care of it.

I don't disagree that the routing is shorter via IST (never said it wasn't), but the problem is the length of the sectors. Through IST (from SYD to LHR) you have one leg that is over 8,000nm then another that is only 1,500nm. This means a 17+ hour flight followed by a very short one, which puts massive pressure on the costs of running such a route. You're paying massive amounts for fuel to carry fuel, which isn't a strong position to be in as fuel prices rise.

In any case, I'm not convinced Australia is notoriously low yielding. It would make more money per ticket that targeting markets in Africa or India, for example. Y seats over the summer period are going for $3k+ at all the major premium airlines (QF, SQ, EK, MH, CX etc). Australians are very wealthy and want to travel.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:01 am

Quoting Ldriver (Reply 32):
How safe is that airport?

"Safe" word in Somalia does not exist... I have flown many times in the past years to there for work and I must to say that safety not exists in this country of Africa.

Maybe the announcement will bring a plane with relief help for the country...
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:17 am

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 41):
Unlike the UAE, Turkey is a democracy and cannot just evict people as Dubai can do.

Relevance to the discussion? and suddenly Turkey is all loveable and democratic even though an Islamic party runs it, because its pitched against Arabs, otherwise when Armenia is discussed Turkey is bad, strange logic of convinience.

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 38):
EK *may* be 20 years ahead, but TK is an airline that will have a better future than EK - a vast global network, a home market people want to actually visit (notwithstanding fan-boy claims of DXB being a true O&D destination), and a smart array of destinations in Europe.

True, but there are a number of complaints regarding TK service and ground handling which needs to be improved, more so lack of English speaking staff, or people who pretend they dont know English, even in Istanbul city.
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:10 am

Quoting qf002 (Reply 37):
Quoting leftyboarder (Reply 30):
even there EK operates, what, 8 dailies?

5.

No, 8: 5 to LHR and 3 to LGW.
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:30 pm

Quoting 777way (Reply 44):
Relevance to the discussion? and suddenly Turkey is all loveable and democratic even though an Islamic party runs it, because its pitched against Arabs, otherwise when Armenia is discussed Turkey is bad, strange logic of convinience.

This can have a big impact on the speed of realization of projects and therefore can be of relevance. Look at china as an example, how fast airports and high speed rails are built. What he said was not to decry arabs in general. There are also other countries without democracy (whereas i don't consider Turkey as a perfect democracy).
 
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:40 pm

Quoting qf002 (Reply 42):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 40):
So while EK might only manage a single A330/777 to a city, TK can run 3-4 737/320s each day.

EK could run multiple daily smaller aircraft on most routes (see QR) but chose to maintain a fleet that consists only of widebody aircraft. Doesn't stop them steadily adding capacity though, which brings with it frequency (see MAN as an example). I agree TK are able to target smaller airports though.

= I think what LAXintl is trying to say is that multiple frequencies allow better connectivity, and is better for the local market.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 42):
I confess I should have looked at a wider range of examples (I did HKG and SIN when investigating, which are pretty similarly placed). At the end of the day it will depend on TK's ability to break into these markets while battling a disadvantage into India (which I personally see as being pretty major) and the entire SE Asian region (HKG, SIN, MNL, BKK, KUL et al).

= For HKG, IST and DXB is pretty much similar. For SIN, yes. But remember, the only two relevant and growing markets in this instance is China and India.

Quoting 777way (Reply 44):
Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 41):
Unlike the UAE, Turkey is a democracy and cannot just evict people as Dubai can do.

Relevance to the discussion? and suddenly Turkey is all loveable and democratic even though an Islamic party runs it, because its pitched against Arabs, otherwise when Armenia is discussed Turkey is bad, strange logic of convinience.

= This has nothing to do with Islam or Arab. I don't get the connection. All I am saying is the greatest challenge Istanbul will face is their airport location and the fact that being in a democratic country, it cannot just do things that can be done in the UAE. Sort of India vs. China I guess.

PS: I think the AKP victory - though I am a Kemalist, is proof of their democratic strength.

Quoting 777way (Reply 44):
True, but there are a number of complaints regarding TK service and ground handling which needs to be improved, more so lack of English speaking staff, or people who pretend they dont know English, even in Istanbul city.

= No more different than DXB.

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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:59 pm

Quoting abrelosojos (Reply 38):
EK *may* be 20 years ahead, but TK is an airline that will have a better future than EK - a vast global network, a home market people want to actually visit (notwithstanding fan-boy claims of DXB being a true O&D destination), and a smart array of destinations in Europe.

        

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 40):
TK has a huge advantage that EK does not with geography

And the huge ready made local market in IST/Turkey that doesn't have to be bribed to stop there. Plus, EK's top flows will always be the next lowest hanging fruit to be picked off with a nonstop. MAN's top flow point on EK is probably something a) already served nonstop, b) fiercely competitive on price, or c) easily served nonstop with a 787/350. TK's top flow from KBL, however, is not getting nonstop service any time soon and can be priced accordingly.
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RE: TK To Start 6 New Destinations In 2012

Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:50 pm

TK might offer better future potential than EK, however, EK is run more professionally. There are serious organizational problems inside TK. The picture from the inside is different to what is seen from the outside. Also, Istanbul is in dire need of a new airport if it is going to become a real hub. IMHO, TK should be run by real professionals just like EK. Turkey should follow the example of the Dubai government.

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