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British Airways A380's & 787's - When?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:58 am

I just wondered if any one has a rough schedule of A380 deliveries to British Airways? Also the same for their 787's?

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[Edited 2011-11-19 03:59:42]
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RE: British Airways A380's & 787's - When?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:02 pm

Both G-XLEA & G-ZBJA are due next year
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:31 pm

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RE: British Airways A380's & 787's - When?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:09 pm

First A388 delivery Apr 2013
First B788 delivery Feb 2013
First B789 delivery 2015 (specific month tbd).
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RE: British Airways A380's & 787's - When?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:58 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 1):
Both G-XLEA & G-ZBJA are due next year

Any idea where you got this info from cos Iv been hearing a few similar crewmours!
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RE: British Airways A380's & 787's - When?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:23 pm

It would be real show stopper if they would get them in Q1 in 2012!
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RE: British Airways A380's & 787's - When?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:54 pm

I know the 380 was delayed until after the olympics - which I thought was kind of strange. And I believe in the IAG presentation a few weeks ago 2013 was mooted for 787 EIS.
 
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RE: British Airways A380's & 787's - When?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:54 pm

Quoting teme82 (Reply 5):
Q1 in 2012!

Not gonna happen!

2012 might be possible (although I highly doubt it), but not Q1! If you see the production threads of the A380, you'll see that it simply isn't possible!

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RE: British Airways A380's & 787's - When?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:07 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 1):
Both G-XLEA & G-ZBJA are due next year

Which birds will get those regs? Is that the new range for the 788 and A388?
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Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:11 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):
Which birds will get those regs? Is that the new range for the 788 and A388?

G-XLEA is the A380, and I'm assuming G-ZBJA is for the 787.

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Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:16 pm

Quoting anstar (Reply 6):
I know the 380 was delayed until after the olympics - which I thought was kind of strange.

Deliveries were delayed by BA.

Originally the schedule called for the delivery of 6 380s in 2012/13 and 6 in 2013/14 (the old BA financial year being from 1 April to 31 March).

In May 2010 BA announced that they had delayed the deliveries. 4 were to be delivered in 2013/14, 3 in 2014/15, 3 in 2015/16 and 2 in 2016/17. See Slide 30 here:

http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_.../01_ID_2010_Full_presentations.pdf
 
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RE: British Airways A380's & 787's - When?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:17 pm

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 3):
First A388 delivery Apr 2013
First B788 delivery Feb 2013

That is the current expectation, but there have been some uncertainty around the 787 might be later and that isn't going down well.
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:21 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 7):
2012 might be possible (although I highly doubt it), but not Q1! If you see the production threads of the A380, you'll see that it simply isn't possible!

Yeah I know that. That's why I said it would be a show stopper if they would get them before the Olympics.
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Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:06 pm

Where do they plan to send the A380 once they have them? Is JFK one of the options for 1st destination for their A380?
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:15 pm

Quoting LazialeMKD (Reply 13):
Where do they plan to send the A380 once they have them? Is JFK one of the options for 1st destination for their A380?

BA likely wont release destinations until perhaps 6 mos prior to service entry. Reasonable guesses are SIN to compete against SQ and other long haul high volume markets such as Jo'Burg, HKG, JFK. The usual suspects.
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Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:18 pm

Quoting LazialeMKD (Reply 13):

Personally I dont see it going to JFK for a while, as JFK is more about Freq then seats avail
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RE: British Airways A380's & 787's - When?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:44 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 15):
Personally I dont see it going to JFK for a while, as JFK is more about Freq then seats avail

I don't disagree. They could run 1x daily A380 thru JFK for prestige if the 380 skeds permit between longer flights.
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RE: British Airways A380's & 787's - When?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:04 pm

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 16):
Quoting lhr380 (Reply 15):
Personally I dont see it going to JFK for a while, as JFK is more about Freq then seats avail

I don't disagree. They could run 1x daily A380 thru JFK for prestige if the 380 skeds permit between longer flights.

JFK might be an initial route for crew familiarisation, given it could do a return trip daily. MIA might be another candidate.

Longer term I think the A380 will be used on the likes of HKG, SIN, JNB, SFO and LAX. However, like the 77W schedules, there may be a mid-haul flight scheduled in there that fits well amongst the longer haul trips.



With regards to the registrations, I know BA quite likes the out of sequence registrations. I'm making a guess that G-XLEA stands for eXtra Large European Aircraft, but what does G-ZBJA stand for? At a push ZB could be said to look like 78 (just like the BA 77As were registered G-ZZZ* because ZZZ is supposed to look like 777), but what would the JA part of the registration stand for?

For info, other out of sequence registrations BA has used include: -

747-436 G-BNLA - Brand New Large Aircraft
767-336ER G-BNWA - Brand New Widebody Aircraft
BAe ATP G-BTPA - British TurboProp Aircraft
A320 (ex-BCal order) - G-BUS* as in AirBUS
G-CIV* 747-436 - IV being the roman numerals for 4
G-VII* 777-236ER - VII being the roman numerals for 7
G-RAES 777-236ER - Royal AEronautical Society (Would have been G-VIII, but that's roman numerals for 8!)
G-YMM* 777-236ER - Year 2000 (first deliveries in thsi year), with MM being roman numerals for 2000
G-ZZZ* 777-236 - Because at a distance looks like 777
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RE: British Airways A380's & 787's - When?

Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:17 pm

Do they plan to place at least one A380 at LGW? Is LGW A380 ready?
Do they consider to configure one of their A380 in high density configuration for leisure destinations out of LGW?
 
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Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:39 pm

Quoting LazialeMKD (Reply 18):
Do they consider to configure one of their A380 in high density configuration for leisure destinations out of LGW?

How many leisure destination out of LGW could fill up such a bird, and how many of the leisure destination are A380 ready?
One thing I would not expect to see A380's doing in the early years is multiple destinations or tag on's, lotta a/c for those shorter flights.
 
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:33 am

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 15):
Personally I dont see it going to JFK for a while, as JFK is more about Freq then seats avail

Still, JFK is 6x DAILY, and probably the world's busiest intercontinental route. Five of these flights are run by a 744. + 4x 777 daily by AA.
Having the 380 on some of the flights makes plain sense to me. It's not just a matter of capacity, but also about offering a premium product for a premium route. I think nobody disagrees that the A380 is unequaled in terms of passenger comfort, and that's what high-yield passengers are going to ask for.

Quoting yyz717 (Reply 16):
I don't disagree. They could run 1x daily A380 thru JFK for prestige if the 380 skeds permit between longer flights.

I rather see at least 2, and certainly not just for prestige, but for the reasons above.
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:36 am

It seems to me unlikely that LHR-JNB will be a launch route for BA's 380s.

With an LHR departure on the evening of Day 1 both the current flights arrive at JNB early in the morning of Day 2. The aircraft operating these flights then spend 13 hrs 30mins and 5 minutes under 12 hrs sitting unproductively at JNB. They then depart for LHR late on Day 2. Both arrive back at LHR in the early morning of Day 3.

The elapsed time between departure from and return to LHR is 34 hrs and 35 hrs 25 mins for the two flights. The productive flying time is scheduled at 22 hrs. The unproductive parked-up time at JNB is 12 hrs and 13 hrs 25 mins. To these figures must be added the unproductive time at LHR before and after the JNB rotations. This will vary with the preceding anf following flights assigned to the aircraft.

If BA did operate this route early on I think they would need to operate the 380 to JNB more than once a week. This is because if a crew flew out of LHR late on Day 1 they could not return to LHR until early on Day 10. This is not only a high cost option in terms of layover costs but requires a higher number of qualified crew to be able to start to operate such a service than needed to operate the 380 only to destinations where the aircraft returns to LHR in a shorter elapsed time. So ~I do not see the option BA chose for the 77W ~(where they operate a different route each day of the week) as a likely option for the 380. Otherwise the initial flight crew requirement will be numerically high and costly.

For the same reasons I also am not so convinced as others that BA will ever operate this route with 380s while it has a relatively small fleet. If a 380 is a good selling feature to passengers (as it seems to be) then BA will be looking to obtain much better aircraft utilisation. This can be achieved by operating on many alternatives to the routes where the operating aircraft does not return to base the following day. Of BA's many long haul routes this only applies to flights to EZE, GRU, JNB and SYD on their current timetables.

The natural inclination to suggest that routes where BA currently operates more than one 744 flight within a short period of time (like JNB) may be favoured for an early 380 introduction could possibly be wide of the mark. But I guess we will have to wait and see.
 
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RE: British Airways A380's & 787's - When?

Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:52 am

Quoting LazialeMKD (Reply 13):
Is JFK one of the options for 1st destination for their A380?
Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 20):
Having the 380 on some of the flights makes plain sense to me. It's not just a matter of capacity, but also about offering a premium product for a premium route. I think nobody disagrees that the A380 is unequaled in terms of passenger comfort, and that's what high-yield passengers are going to ask for.

It comes down to the configuration. If they configure these birds with 12F/50J upstairs, then have 420+ W/Y seats downstairs with the intention of running them on routes like JNB/CPT/MIA etc then we definitely won't see them in JFK. If they configure them with an all J upper deck, F downstairs then W/Y behind (for around 400 seats in total), then we will...

Quoting VV701 (Reply 21):
For the same reasons I also am not so convinced as others that BA will ever operate this route with 380s while it has a relatively small fleet. If a 380 is a good selling feature to passengers (as it seems to be) then BA will be looking to obtain much better aircraft utilisation.

I tend to agree, but QF flies their A380s with long periods on the ground. They have one bird sitting all day at LHR and another there for 6 hours (both will be there all day from next year), and 2 in LAX from the early morning till late at night (12-16 hours on the ground). Though I do think the A380 will be a bit like the 77W at launch, with BA schedule planners testing capacity and configurations on different routes while there are only a few in the fleet.

[Edited 2011-11-19 19:00:11]
 
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:15 am

Quoting teme82 (Reply 12):
Yeah I know that. That's why I said it would be a show stopper if they would get them before the Olympics.

Ok. Maybe BA could get Airbus to paint one of their test aircraft in the BA livery and have a fly over.

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 17):
, but what does G-ZBJA stand for? At a push ZB could be said to look like 78 (just like the BA 77As were registered G-ZZZ* because ZZZ is supposed to look like 777), but what would the JA part of the registration stand for?

7 8 Jet Aircraft? or Z Boeing Jet Aircraft?

In the latter, I don't know what the Z would be.

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Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:10 am

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 17):
747-436 G-BNLA - Brand New Large Aircraft
767-336ER G-BNWA - Brand New Widebody Aircraft
BAe ATP G-BTPA - British TurboProp Aircraft
A320 (ex-BCal order) - G-BUS* as in AirBUS
G-CIV* 747-436 - IV being the roman numerals for 4
G-VII* 777-236ER - VII being the roman numerals for 7
G-RAES 777-236ER - Royal AEronautical Society (Would have been G-VIII, but that's roman numerals for 8!)
G-YMM* 777-236ER - Year 2000 (first deliveries in thsi year), with MM being roman numerals for 2000
G-ZZZ* 777-236 - Because at a distance looks like 777

Fascinating. Was this actually intended by BA or (and I mean no disrespect) your assumption? Reminds me of KLM, DC-9s were PH-DN*, DC-8s 'DE*, DC-10s 'DT* and I'm sure a Dutch speaker can tell us about the significance of "U" in the 747 sequences.

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Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:22 am

Quoting musang (Reply 24):

It's well documented as fact. The only correction is with the G-CIVx sequence on the 744s. CIV is roman numerals for 400, as in 747-400
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:25 am

Quoting LazialeMKD (Reply 18):

Do they plan to place at least one A380 at LGW? Is LGW A380 ready?
Do they consider to configure one of their A380 in high density configuration for leisure destinations out of LGW?


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All A380s will be LHR based, LGW has no stands at either terminal set up for the A380. They can park and use LGW on diversion, but remote parking and miles from anywhere.
 
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:34 am

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 25):
The only correction is with the G-CIVx sequence on the 744s. CIV is roman numerals for 400, as in 747-400

CIV = 104
CL = 400
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:00 pm

Quoting caribillo (Reply 27):
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 25):
The only correction is with the G-CIVx sequence on the 744s. CIV is roman numerals for 400, as in 747-400

CIV = 104
CL = 400

Actually CL = 150 whereas CD = 400
(C being 100 and D being 500. When a lower value precedes a higher value, then it is subracted from the higher one)

Other BA registrations: -

747-436 G-BYG* - I was told because it reads as "big"
737-436 G-GBTA - I was told was registered for the British Tourist Authority
A318 G-EUNA - EUrope North Amercia
A319/A320/A321 G-EU** - Registered to stand for EUrope or European Union being shorthaul aircraft that operate mainly within the EU
777-336ER G-STB* - I thought stood for STretched Boeing Aircraft, but I've also seen someone say it is a reflection of the BA engineering hangers.

747-236F G-KILO - BA's freighter, that didn't stay long and went to CX
DC-10 G-DC10 - Inherited from the BCal merger, but a great registration!
DC-10 G-MULL - Inherited from the Bcal merger. Registered for Isle of MULL in reflection of BCal's Scottish routes

I've never been able to find out why the 737-436 fleet was registered out of sequence in the G-DOC* series - it must have some significance!
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:39 pm

Does anyone from BA know if they will paint the engines blue or will they remain white as recommended, although some people have said its at the customers discretion but Boeing are only showing white engines in all their customer related images of the 787.
 
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:14 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 25):
CIV is roman numerals for 400, as in 747-400
Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 28):
Actually CL = 150 whereas CD = 400

  

Wonder if BA just got the numerals wrong there, or if they ment C (100) x IV (4), or if it has some other meanings.

It's obvious that BA register their aircraft to some sort of message, but is this official? If I was to e-mail BA and ask about G-ZBJA would they give me an answer, or would they say "its a coincidence" or just plainly not tell me (is it an internal joke or something)?

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Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:09 pm

Quoting lhr380 (Reply 15):
Personally I dont see it going to JFK for a while, as JFK is more about Freq then seats avail

But how many more daily frequencies does BA/AA need on this route?
I think JFK is a no brainer in order to increase the number of seats in the higher demand time slots.
 
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:28 pm

Quoting musang (Reply 24):
Reminds me of KLM, DC-9s were PH-DN*, DC-8s 'DE*, DC-10s 'DT* and I'm sure a Dutch speaker can tell us about the significance of "U" in the 747 sequences.

Not intending to hi-jack this post, so I might better start a new topic on this.
In general in KLM regi’s the first letter refers to the builder.
A = Airbus
B = Boeing
D = Douglas
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DC-8-30/50 were PH-DC* (Douglas Commercial)
DC-8-63 were PH-DE* (Eight or Extended)
“U” in B747-200/300 U comes from U in Jumbo

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Airbus A330 PH-AO* (unknown)
Boeing 737-306/406 PH-BD* and PH-BT* D comes from Drie –three-, T comes from Three
Boeing 737-400 (6 which came from Air UK) PH-BP* P comes from Partner
Boeing 737-8K2/9K2 PH-BX* (unknown, probably X from eXtra large)
Boeing 737-8K2 PH-BC* (unknown, probably
B747-400 PH-BF* F comes from Fourhundred
B767-306 PH-BZ* Z comes from Zes –six-
B777-206 PH-BQ* (unknown, possible Q from Quiet)
B777-306 PH-BV* (unknown, possible V from Verlengd –extended-)
Fokker 100 (first six a/c) PH-KL* obvious enough from KLM 
Fokker 70 (most) PH-KZ* K comes from KLM, Z comes from Zeventig –seventy-
MD-11 PH-KC* K is eleventh letter of the alphabet
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:39 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 30):
Wonder if BA just got the numerals wrong there

Maybe the relevant block wasn't fully available, just odd registrations.
 
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:44 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 28):
Actually CL = 150 whereas CD = 400
(C being 100 and D being 500. When a lower value precedes a higher value, then it is subracted from the higher one)

Other BA registrations: -

747-436 G-BYG* - I was told because it reads as "big"
737-436 G-GBTA - I was told was registered for the British Tourist Authority
A318 G-EUNA - EUrope North Amercia
A319/A320/A321 G-EU** - Registered to stand for EUrope or European Union being shorthaul aircraft that operate mainly within the EU
777-336ER G-STB* - I thought stood for STretched Boeing Aircraft, but I've also seen someone say it is a reflection of the BA engineering hangers.

747-236F G-KILO - BA's freighter, that didn't stay long and went to CX
DC-10 G-DC10 - Inherited from the BCal merger, but a great registration!
DC-10 G-MULL - Inherited from the Bcal merger. Registered for Isle of MULL in reflection of BCal's Scottish routes

I've never been able to find out why the 737-436 fleet was registered out of sequence in the G-DOC* series - it must have some significance!

A couple more for you, the A320s BA bought from GB Airways G-TTOB and 'OE, originally the reg was supposed to stand for Three Two O, the GB 321s were TTI, Three Two 1

Still not sure about the 737s, but with the 77Ws, you also get a good flagship as G-STBA become's BA's plane with Bravo Alpha as the registration.
 
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Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:55 pm

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 30):
If I was to e-mail BA and ask about G-ZBJA would they give me an answer, or would they say "its a coincidence" or just plainly not tell me (is it an internal joke or something)?

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Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:37 pm

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 28):
I've never been able to find out why the 737-436 fleet was registered out of sequence in the G-DOC* series - it must have some significance!

I was never aware of the stories behind those BA registrations, nice!!! I guess I will need a spotting trip to LHR in 2014 to see all the A380's and the 787's flying to the airport. LHR is probably be the busiest A380 airport in the world next to other airports like HKG and JFK.

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Wed Nov 23, 2011 2:51 pm

I think G-BYGA actually just an in sequence registration, as oddly enough were G-BNL* and G-BNW*, I am not sure whether they intended them to stand for what they ended up being. G-CIV* is representing 4 as in 400 as G-BIV* had been filled years ago and the next batch was G-CIV*. BA tended to use in sequence registrations until this point.
 
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Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:07 pm

Quoting skipness1E (Reply 37):
LHR is probably be the busiest A380 airport in the world next to other airports like HKG and JFK.

In spite of the hype Heathrow is small fry for A380s - surely Dubai will be by far the busiest?
 
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Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:10 pm

I really am looking forward to seeing those BA A380s.

I've always found BA long haul a bit of a squeeze in Y and the A380 will correct that, making long haul bearable again.

I also expect BA will introduce the A380 and 787 with little fanfare.
and with that..cabin crew, seats for landing please.
 
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Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:31 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 38):
In spite of the hype Heathrow is small fry for A380s - surely Dubai will be by far the busiest?

Probably for those that belong to EK, the interesting airport for me would be the busiest with based aircraft and visiting airlines.
 
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Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:48 pm

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 38):
In spite of the hype Heathrow is small fry for A380s - surely Dubai will be by far the busiest?

Okay, to clarify my post: In terms of number of A380 movements, than yes, DXB will be the largest but in terms of airline variety using the A380, DXB doesn't even come close to LHR. That is what I meant.

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RE: British Airways A380's & 787's - When?

Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:06 am

Quoting Babybus (Reply 39):
I've always found BA long haul a bit of a squeeze in Y and the A380 will correct that, making long haul bearable again.

How? The seat space will probably be the same...

Quoting A388 (Reply 41):
In terms of number of A380 movements, than yes, DXB will be the largest but in terms of airline variety using the A380, DXB doesn't even come close to LHR. That is what I meant.

I think airport like SIN and HKG will be strong contenders to LHR in terms of variety...

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