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Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:46 pm

Does anyone know where they are? Last I heard was they were finalising some financial paperwork, but that was quite a while ago. Are Flybe not in a good financial state? What state are they in, in general?

Anyone know when they are going to finally be put into service?

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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:24 am

I think someone started a similar topic a few weeks back but there are a few frame done and ready to be delivered... perhaps a delay at Embraer?
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:29 am

PT-TIB that is slated to become G-FBJA was pictured in flight at SJK in full flybe livery as long ago as 19 May.

PT-TOB that is slated to become G-FBJB had its first flight at SJK on 14 July.

N either of the above aircraft have yet been delivered. But why?
 
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:21 am

There's around four aircraft waiting on the tarmac in Brazil at Embraer's facility. Apparently there's a clause in the financial paperwork that states the aircraft must be in uk airspace in a given amount of time after leaving Brazil. Apparently its not viable to get the aircraft in uk airspace in this time due to the fuel stops en-route  
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:31 am

There's around four aircraft waiting on the tarmac in Brazil at Embraer's facility. Apparently there's a clause in the financial paperwork that states the aircraft must be in uk airspace in a given amount of time after leaving Brazil. Apparently its not viable to get the aircraft in uk airspace in this time due to the fuel stops en-route

if thats the case they could consider at trip down to Port Stanley and back.

More likely new contract needed and and therefore financing which may no longer be available at similar rates.

Pretty sure Flybe don't really want them do they !
 
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:15 pm

Quoting jamies80085 (Reply 3):
There's around four aircraft waiting on the tarmac in Brazil at Embraer's facility. Apparently there's a clause in the financial paperwork that states the aircraft must be in uk airspace in a given amount of time after leaving Brazil. Apparently its not viable to get the aircraft in uk airspace in this time due to the fuel stops en-route  

Not heard this one before? Doesn't really make much sense, British Airways E170s have made it to the UK just fine.

Quoting virginblue4 (Thread starter):
Anyone know when they are going to finally be put into service?

All four are currently schedule to begin service on 1st December 2011, but there have been many dates before this that did not materialize.

Quoting irshava (Reply 1):
Perhaps a delay at Embraer?

Embraer is not responsible for the delay.

Quoting virginblue4 (Thread starter):
Are Flybe not in a good financial state? What state are they in, in general?

All things considered, the airline is doing very well. It recently published some good results, with certain revenues growing year on year.

Quoting virginblue4 (Thread starter):
finalising some financial paperwork

I believe this is the reason for the delay, something about financing all of the said aircraft all in one go... rather than individually?

One of the Flybe Embraer 175 aircraft was active today over Brazil on a test flight of some sort. Would make sense if they want them in service by December, could be the start of the customer acceptances?

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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:20 pm

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 5):
Not heard this one before? Doesn't really make much sense, British Airways E170s have made it to the UK just fine.

Its something to do with the finance coming from a Brazilian source, lower interest rates and therefore lower cost of the aircraft.
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:50 pm

Do we know which routes they will be used on first?

LGW to INV and GCI?
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:40 pm

Flybe has signed for $500 million in committed financing for the first 20 Embraer 175s, securing financing for aircraft deliveries up to July 2014.

First delivery scheduled for November.

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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:13 pm

Quoting VV701 (Reply 2):
N either of the above aircraft have yet been delivered. But why?

I think they've been working on a Plan B of sorts. The new DHC8-Q400s they took over the summer have gone already and now it looks as if the delayed ERJs will take their place. They are not looking to grow capacity as much as they were for obvious reasons. In other news, the share price has plummeted somewhat of late but that's aviation alas.
 
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:45 pm

So we should be seeing the first two aircraft being delivered by the end of the month!

Looking forward to seeing them in service; the E-195 is a lovely aircraft to fly in, and I'm sure the 175 will be a welcome change for pax.
 
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:59 pm

Is Flybe going to get rid of the Q400?
 
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:03 pm

Quoting baje427 (Reply 12):
Is Flybe going to get rid of the Q400?

The E175 will be used to replace some of the existing Q400s which are coming to the end of their leases, but the airline will keep a large fleet of Q400s for the considerable future.
 
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:58 pm

I read somewhere that 29 of the 35 firm orders were to replace existing aircraft in the fleet with the remaining 6 earmarked for future growth. Obviously, that can certainly change either by renewing Q400 leases, or by confirming some of the 105 options that they have to the E175 but it would seem prudent in the current climate.

Clearly the financing took longer than expected which is perhaps understandable as it looks like the first 20 will all be owned and not leased! I think this only goes to further demonstrate the strength of the Flybe business model.

It will be good to see them arrive!
 
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:19 am

According to Gatwick Spotters List, G-FBJA and G-FBJC were registered yesterday.
 
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:10 am

I believe now due to enter service second week of December
 
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:12 am

Arriving this afternoon at Exeter on delivery.
 
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Sat Nov 26, 2011 11:23 am

Both recently departed LPA for EXT.
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:15 am

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 18):
Both recently departed LPA for EXT.

Hmmm....thought most EMBs enter the EU via Ireland because of lower taxes in the Emerald Isle..
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:21 am

The BE E195s arrived via the Canaries before. I think the BA Cityflier Embraers did as well, those also were delivered to Exeter.
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:42 pm

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 19):
Hmmm....thought most EMBs enter the EU via Ireland because of lower taxes in the Emerald Isle..

Alitalia's Embraers fly to Stansted, England - before proceeding to Italy on delivery. Flybe & BA's Embraers go to Exeter.
 
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:49 pm

Anyone have an update as to where/when BE's new aircraft will be deployed?
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:13 pm

Quoting sam1987 (Reply 22):
Anyone have an update as to where/when BE's new aircraft will be deployed?

G-FBJA is currently based at MAN and operates 1 - 2 flights to CDG and back along with routes such as HAJ and DUS.
 
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:38 pm

The other one, G-FBJC, is BHX based and currently operating 3x daily to DUS. I guess they are trying to give Eurowings a run for their money.
 
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:34 am

'FBJB and 'JD were registered on Friday, so they should be delivered imminently.

In the original schedules, the 175 was supposed to operate a MAN-JER service on Saturday/Sunday; wonder when this is going to start?
 
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RE: Flybe's E-175's - Where Are They?

Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:21 pm

Quoting MANmatt (Reply 23):
G-FBJA is currently based at MAN and operates 1 - 2 flights to CDG and back along with routes such as HAJ and DUS.
Quoting MANmatt (Reply 23):

The other one, G-FBJC, is BHX based and currently operating 3x daily to DUS. I guess they are trying to give Eurowings a run for their money.

Interesting stuff, thanks. Do we know when LGW will see them?
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