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Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:42 pm

Good evening folks and welcome to our 23rd installment of 2011:

Here's the link to the last thread, which saw quite a few interesting developments:

Irish 22/11: Samhain Sa Speir (by kaitak Oct 31 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Although there is still immense concern about the euro, not to mention trepidation about what next month's budget will bring, there are still lots of green shoots pushing their way through; let's look at what has been announced in recent weeks and months:

- Emirates to Dublin
- SAS increasing capacity
- Aeroflot coming to Dublin
- New FR routes from NOC
- UAL to IAD (true, replacement of the second EWR flight, but still important in economic terms, being a new city)
- Delta A330s to Dublin from JFK and ATL (peak season)
- New EI routes

And there's a few others, I'm sure, already announced and yet to come. All in all, not bad going.

So, what's next on the horizon ...

Well, let's just wait and see!
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:26 pm

Just wanted to throw out a very nice thing that Aer Lingus did for me a week ago.

I was booked on the last flight from DUB-LHR on Friday 11/11. On arrival at the Gold Circle Lounge, there was some discussion and then I was put onto the flight departing early. Apparently there were delays, so they moved me so I would be early rather than late.

I thought that was very good service (for the record, I was the 3rd passenger moved in this way).

It would make sense if EI allowed passengers to be moved to an earlier flight during the day at no cost if they arrive at the airport in time for it. I had been thinking on the way to the airport that I should have booked the earlier flight. Decided not to bother asking, and then had that lovely thing happen on entry to the lounge. I even joked to the lounge attendants that they were just trying to stop me using the lounge. Fun times  

On the return, I was in the LHR lounge on 19/11 and was seated in 11A. I asked at the desk if they had any windows further forward and was told there were plenty and to take my pick - 1, 2, 3, 4... chose 2A and was given the boarding pass for same. This is very good service. I have nothing but compliments for the lounge staff for being so helpful.
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:29 pm

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
Emirates to Dublin
- SAS increasing capacity
- Aeroflot coming to Dublin
- New FR routes from NOC
- UAL to IAD (true, replacement of the second EWR flight, but still important in economic terms, being a new city)
- Delta A330s to Dublin from JFK and ATL (peak season)
- New EI routes

Indeed all good news and great to see. long may it continue. SU is the best one for me. Great to see them back into DUB. They offer some decent fares past SVO to the East and CIS.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:01 pm

Some notes from FR launch today at Ireland West:

- MOL said NOC was competing with 60 airports for their aircraft and winning on cost base.
- Frequencies are 3x weekly to start with, BVA being operated W from a UK base.
- Tourism Ireland to run a campaign in conjunction with FR marketing the region.
- Airport manager Joe Gilmore said they expect figures of 650,000 for 2011 (+10%), 725,000 2012 and hope to reach 1m in next 3 years.

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On the other side of the coin...

With GWY closed "for the Winter season", the staff are being cut from 55 to 7 on statutory redundancy terms. Some have started to speak up about where it all went wrong ... it seems huge sums of money was still being wasted right up to the end and new management still focused on benefiting their own interests if accurate.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=75586199&postcount=190
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:36 pm

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 3):
On the other side of the coin...

Some pretty damming accusations there. I know we must take everything that is written on boards.ie with a pinch of salt but if there is truth behind even just half of those accusations, then it seems as if the demise of GWY is a clear cut case of bad management. In fairness to this poster, there have been rumours floating around Galway from private flyers for quite a while over the cost of using the airport, suggesting that the high cost was directly related to the alleged wastage by the management. It is easy to throw accusations at front line staff for not being flexible but paying four managers the sum total of half a million plus other perks to run a tiny regional airport cannot be deemed a good business plan and there is little front line staff can do to attract new airlines to open new routes.
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:58 am

Any word on a start date for the SU service?

[Edited 2011-11-21 19:02:09]
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:14 am

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):
- Delta A330s to Dublin from JFK and ATL (peak season)

Sorry to nit pick but as discussed at the end of the last thread DL will be sending a 767 from JFK and not an A330. I think the press release from DL was mis understood, Its also confirmed in the thread for "DL S12 Transatlantic Changes". (I dont know how to post a thread link sorry)

[Edited 2011-11-22 01:17:04]
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:32 am

Quoting tonystan (Reply 6):
I may get totally shot down here but thats what happens when you allow the trade unions weaken and allow corporations complete control! Only in it for themselves!

You make a fair point there and as much as I dislike trade unions, this is one instance where they clearly one instance where they could have been very useful in holding management to account. In addition to poor decision making, it seems from reading that post that a "jobs for the boys" system was very much in place. I know it is technically speaking a private company so they are free to do whatever they want, but surely a private company that has in the past received so much government support should be obliged to follow the public sector recruitment process (which in itself is a bit of a fallacy but at least the job gets advertised publicly). You could argue that not only have these guys looked after their own but have siphoned government money into their own pockets which is falls under my definition of fraud.

Of course, this discussion is based entirely on accusations contained in a single post on an unmoderated internet forum. Therefore, we must afford management at GWY the benefit of the doubt until we find out more in the way of hard facts. I would like to find out a bit more about what went wrong whether it is as the poster alleges or if it was just that GWY became a casualty of improving ground transport combined with poor economic conditions. Lets face it, we all saw this coming as far back as two years ago when the final section of the M6 opened. You can make it from the Galway Clinic to the M50 in 1hr 50mins. Even train services from Galway to Dublin have begun to suffer because of the speed and convenience of the hourly express bus services offered by Citylink and GoBus. We were even surprised GWY had managed to survive the onslaught of the FR base at SNN with numerous attempts by FR to offer duplicate routes ex SNN to squeeze RE out of GWY.

Whether or not the management had a role to play in the demise of GWY is debatable and while I really feel for thosee who find themselves unemployed just before Christmas, the cold hard facts remain that it would have taken a minor miracle to keep it open regardless of who was in charge.
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:54 am

Is it as simple to suggest that a change in management and management structure could lead to the long term viability of GWY?

I fear it has far more pressing issues which would be impossible to gain funding for at this time such as the short runway which simply would not attract the sort of customers it requires in order to expand and succeed in a modern industry!
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:39 am

Some good news for SNN on a cold November monring!

Delta to resume Shannon link with NYC

Delta Air Lines is to resume its seasonal route between Shannon and New York next year, it was confirmed today.

The daily service, which is being operated with partner Air France KLM, will begin again on March 25th and operate throughout the summer to JFK Airport.

The service has been timed to connect with other US destinations.

“Shannon is an important market for Delta, and we are excited about the return of the route next summer,” said Frank Jahangir, Delta’s vice president sales for Europe, Middle East and Africa “In addition to the service to New York, the flight offers our Shannon customers convenient connections to more than 45 destinations across the US.”

The news is a boost to the airport, which has suffered a number of setbacks in recent years. In 2009 and 2010, Shannon Airport recorded combined losses of €16 million, and is headed for an €8 million loss this year.

Aer Lingus announced in 2007 it was axing its route from the airport to Heathrow, before reinstating the service in 2009. Ryanair, meanwhile, has criticised the airport for what it describes as high charges.

There was also good news for the region yesterday, when Ryanair announced it is to open four additional direct routes between Knock airport and continental Europe next summer. The extra passenger traffic is expected to generate up to €23 million to the west’s tourist economy
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/1122/breaking23.html
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:44 am

Quoting aidansnn (Reply 11):
Some good news for SNN on a cold November monring!

That is good news! It would be a pity for the longest serving US airline to withdraw fully from SNN. It is a sign that summer demand for TA services ex SNN still exists but the winter period is and always has been the major stumbling block for the airport.
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:32 pm

Any idea if SNN-CDG is returning with EI for summer 2012?
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:09 pm

Quoting aidansnn (Reply 11):
Aer Lingus announced in 2007 it was axing its route from the airport to Heathrow, before reinstating the service in 2009. Ryanair, meanwhile, has criticised the airport for what it describes as high charges.

I love it, EI get caned from suspending LHR-SNN and yet Ryanair are praised. The removal of 6 based aircraft, closing the base and being the cause of most of SNN's financial losses and ongoing structural problems conveniently forgotten. That level of bitterness would be expected from the Clare champion, but I would expect better from the Irish Times, to be honest.

Quoting tailfin (Reply 13):
Any idea if SNN-CDG is returning with EI for summer 2012?

Nope. It was canned. Normally EI give routes a couple of seasons and stick with routes, promoting them, so unusual. The aircraft capacity freed up is being used on ORK-FRA instead. Hopefully EI will stick with that route for more than a few weeks.
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:33 pm

I wonder if CO will introduce the second daily flight to EWR a few days a week like last year?
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:42 pm

A massive 10% drop in traffic at Dublin for October.

This really is not good.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 5:51 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 16):

My guess is that DUB will start growing quite consistently from now on. Airlines are clearly seeing a market in Ireland, especially with DL using A330's next summer and EK starting.

Who knows, EK could have a three daily A380 service to DXB at some stage  
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:55 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 16):
A massive 10% drop in traffic at Dublin for October.

Interesting, any breakdown of how that is split between UK/Europe/US etc? I think the "imminent end of the euro" talk saturating the media has created a lot of fear around financial security as well as the usual Winter drop and budget talk. Though as mentioned several new long-haul services in the new year at DUB and healthy US network from SNN next year.

Drops at most airports across UK CAA stats with few positives. October also saw the first falls for many months at NOC. Scotland also seems to be down across the board. Top of the pops:

Dublin:
JER +41, ABZ +39%
stwick (PIK / EGPK), United Kingdom">PIK –39%, CWL –28%, EMA –24%, LBA -23%, LCY –18%, BHX –13%, STN –10%, IOM -13%

Cork:
BRS+21%, LPL +12%
MAN –7%, EDI –23%, GLA –18%

Shannon:
MAN +55%
LPL–11%, EDI –49%, GLA –58%

Knock:
LPL +17%
MAN –27%, BRS –13% , EMA –12%

Kerry:
STN –26%

Waterford:
LTN –77%, MAN –46%, BHX –34%

[Edited 2011-11-22 10:58:12]
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:01 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 14):
A massive 10% drop in traffic at Dublin for October.

This really is not good.

Hopefully just a temporary figure. Will be interesting to see the Christmas and New Year figures.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:27 pm

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 16):
PIK –39%, CWL –28%, EMA –24%, LBA -23%, LCY –18%, BHX –13%, STN –10%, IOM -13%

Could it be anything to do with FR reducing capacity; quite a number of these routes - EMA, PIK, STN and LBA (as well as BHX) are operated by FR?

It is certainly worrying, no doubt about it.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:14 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 18):
Could it be anything to do with FR reducing capacity; quite a number of these routes - EMA, PIK, STN and LBA (as well as BHX) are operated by FR?

Also wondered if there may be some reluctance to book EIR aircraft in Winter? See a lot of tweets complaining about the egg-beaters. Looks like a combination of factors with The Examiner gives further figures: 1.5 million over all, UK –8%, Europe –9%, and 85% drop in domestic.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...s-529366.html#.Tsv3kaNdvUg.twitter

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Speaking of EIR, some of their crew have won Gold Customer Service Award...presumably not for arresting passengers who pay with large notes...

http://insideireland.ie/2011/11/22/a...-top-customer-service-award-42556/
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Thomas Cook in the wars, are they still serving this country? Astraeus and Dubrovnik gone this month. Wonder if there will be any charters left in the Irish market next year other than Airpost.

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Thomas Cook (TCG.L) asked lenders to come to its rescue for the second time in five weeks, sending shares in one of the world's oldest travel operators into freefall as it warned of a possible default.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...s-thomascook-idUSTRE7AL1OD20111122
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:13 pm

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 16):
A massive 10% drop in traffic at Dublin for October.

I wonder how much (if any) of this drop can be attributed to the FR/EI winter reductions.

Looking at raw numbers is misleading, if 10% of flights are stopped (compared to last Oct) the same level of pax usage is happening.

cipango makes a valid point below: Would be interesting to see the number of flights/pax for Oct 2010 and Oct 2011.

I have been told that the EI load factor was equal to normal Summer numbers during last month. (Of course EI is only one of the airlines using DUB)

[Edited 2011-11-22 15:42:46]
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:18 pm

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 20):


I wonder how much (if any) of this drop can be attributed to the FR/EI winter reductions.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this 10% drop in passenger numbers not based on October last year?
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:04 am

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 19):
Also wondered if there may be some reluctance to book EIR aircraft in Winter? See a lot of tweets complaining about the egg-beaters.

Although I am one of those people reluctant to book on EIR (I don't tweet about it mind, I just moan about them occasionally on the Irish thread or whatever anti FR thread is running at the time), I am curious as to what you mean by egg-beaters?
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:12 am

Agitation device involving high velocity rotating blades, much vibration and racket, occasional gearing jam, can leave user breathless after vigorous use.



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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:35 am

Amadeus is showing the following for US Airways:

AD24DECPHLDUB/FN/AUS
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AD ** DUB DUBLIN.IE 32 SA 24DEC 0000
1 US 726 C9 D9 Z9 Y9 B9 M9 H9 /PHL A DUB 2 0815 2005 E0.767 6:50
Q9 N9 V9 W9 L9 S9 T3 G0 K0 U0 E0 R0

Christmas Eve daylight flight from PHL to DUB?

Is this a first for a scheduled morning departure from US to Ireland?
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:56 am

Quoting Reply 24):

Is this a first for a scheduled morning departure from US to Ireland?

DUB closes on Christmas Day. Maybe its arriving for the flight to PHL on the 26th?
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Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:34 am

I'd just like to state a few things for the record about Aer Lingus...

a) The person on their 0818 365 000 number who is "the voice of Aer Lingus" sounds like the most boring person on the face of the earth. Her voice is virtually a monotone and it sounds awful. I've even pointed it out to people at work as I have to call it around once every month or so. Awful

b) My Finance Director was charged CAD€200 for excess baggage in YVR on the UA codeshare (via ORD to DUB) and at ORD the EI agent said he should never have been charged that. They gave him the Aer Lingus Disruption Card and told him to fax customer care.

Of course, being a Director, he passed it to me, which is no problem. I confirmed with Aer Lingus that the best way was to fax. So of course, we try - for over a week we've been trying on and off and it's ALWAYS engaged.

I am on hold right now - called through to option 4 for flight cancellations. Got a lady, told her I had been trying to fax it and it was always engaged. She said she'd check with that department. I got the Aer Lingus music for 8 minutes, then I could hear people in the background talking for 3 minutes, then someone picked it up and was like, "Hello?". Apparently the call had gone back in the queue somewhere.

Now FIFTEEN MINUTES on the phone I am, and the second person has also gone to check with that department and I am still on hold.

Un-fucking-believable is all I can say. Still holding at 9:34am. I guess they're all in the cafeteria having breakfast.
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:41 am

Thats usually what i expect when i ring any company, sure i was on hold to vodafone for 25min recently! Its normally, nobody usually knows anything in any company! I mean i would be surprised if anyone knew or understood my problem, indeed on vodafone when i got thru, he told me the problem and fixed it in less then 5min, very impressed. Also impressed if anyone ever emails back from a company be uase usually they never do, dont see the point in having forms of communications if nobody wants to use it

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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:51 am

Quoting Reply 24):

Ive seen a few airlines post schedules only to see them XXXXXXX
in all classes or show cancelled a few weeks before.

Emirates have appointed Margaret Shannon as Manager for Ireland.
She has previously worked at Ryanair, KLM, Air France and lately at Aer Lingus.

EK are also turning up the heat on EY by offering the travel agents double comission !

[Edited 2011-11-23 02:22:09]
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:20 am

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 26):
a) The person on their 0818 365 000 number who is "the voice of Aer Lingus" sounds like the most boring person on the face of the earth. Her voice is virtually a monotone and it sounds awful. I've even pointed it out to people at work as I have to call it around once every month or so. Awful

Had the same problem myself - when you're already in a bad mood because of the website crashing on you mid-check in, the last thing you want is to be stuck on hold listening to her!

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 23):
Agitation device involving high velocity rotating blades, much vibration and racket, occasional gearing jam, can leave user breathless after vigorous use.

Thank you good sir, I probably deserved that!   
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:58 am

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 19):
Also wondered if there may be some reluctance to book EIR aircraft in Winter?

In winter? Bloody hell, if many of us had the choice we wouldn't book in summer, let alone winter. The crews do their best with a bad set of aircraft that seem to be constantly going tech (there is suggestion that RE are playing musical chairs with parts - I don't know how true that is, but I have heard it from a few different places now).
Interestingly I still have not heard from EI customer care about my cancelled flights....anyone have a number that is in someway useful?
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:10 pm

I presume the new EK desk ?

 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:25 pm

Interesting the drop in figures for the drop in traffic in Dublin, but I wonder how much of this is attributable to the mid-term being nearly a week later than 2010?
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 4:54 pm

Quoting cipango (Reply 25):
DUB closes on Christmas Day.

It is difficult to believe an airport closes on a specific day of the year. It seems to be unnecessary in 2011. According to Amadeus Rome FCO is open on Christmas Day, so I wonder why Dublin is closed?
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:36 pm

Quoting Reply 33):
It is difficult to believe an airport closes on a specific day of the year. It seems to be unnecessary in 2011. According to Amadeus Rome FCO is open on Christmas Day, so I wonder why Dublin is closed?

Maybe airlines see it unfeasible to operate on Christmas day (lack of demand?) and the airport follows suit? As far as I know even Ryanair shuts down their whole network that day. All Irish airports except Shannon close and even then there are no commercial flights into or out of SNN.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:45 pm

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 34):
Maybe airlines see it unfeasible to operate on Christmas day (lack of demand?) and the airport follows suit? As far as I know even Ryanair shuts down their whole network that day. All Irish airports except Shannon close and even then there are no commercial flights into or out of SNN.

Even though there is no commercial flights the airport still has movements such as the troop carriers,delivery flights from the likes of Aerospace and corporate flights especially Middle eastern/Russian in origin.Also as a main diversion airport it is cover for the north Atlantic traffic operating on that day.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:49 pm

Quoting SURFER (Reply 35):
Even though there is no commercial flights the airport still has movements such as the troop carriers,delivery flights from the likes of Aerospace and corporate flights especially Middle eastern/Russian in origin.Also as a main diversion airport it is cover for the north Atlantic traffic operating on that day.

   It has to stay open all the time in accordance with US Dept. of Defense agreements for refueling etc.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:21 pm

Quoting SURFER (Reply 35):
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 34):
Maybe airlines see it unfeasible to operate on Christmas day (lack of demand?) and the airport follows suit? As far as I know even Ryanair shuts down their whole network that day. All Irish airports except Shannon close and even then there are no commercial flights into or out of SNN.

Even though there is no commercial flights the airport still has movements such as the troop carriers,delivery flights from the likes of Aerospace and corporate flights especially Middle eastern/Russian in origin.Also as a main diversion airport it is cover for the north Atlantic traffic operating on that day.

Shannon movments for Xmas Day are minimal. Last Christmas they consisted in total of:

N522AX DC-10-30(ER) of Omni Air
UR-DAF A321-231(1869) Departed to Donetsk on delivery to Donbassaero
HZ-A9 Hawker 900XP
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:23 pm

Some information has come to light about EI's plans for next Summer on t/a routes:

Dublin – Boston Increases from 10 weekly in S11 to 11 weekly in S12
Dublin – Orlando Reduces from 3 weekly in S11 to 2 weekly in S12
Shannon – Boston Increases from 3 weekly in S11 to 4 weekly in S12
Shannon – New York JFK Reduces from 4 weekly in S11 to 3 weekly in S12

Interesting to see MCO at just 2w; I guess with domestic demand expected to reduce, this is probably a wise move. No change to ORD or DUB-JFK.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:25 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 38):
Shannon – New York JFK Reduces from 4 weekly in S11 to 3 weekly in S12

I don't know how they'll compete with DL's and CO's daily/11 weekly flights respectively with just three weekly...I suppose they've been managing with 4w thus far so shouldn't be a major change.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:05 pm

You've got to hand it to EK, they have one mighty advertising machine.....I can only speak for Dublin, but the city has been blitzed with EK adverts.

Check out this DART with full EK decals..... http://thewandererphotos.smugmug.com...19965474_rN5Ggp#1597996928_JbxhR8L
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:10 pm

Quoting EI787 (Reply 40):
You've got to hand it to EK, they have one mighty advertising machine.....I can only speak for Dublin, but the city has been blitzed with EK adverts.

Love it; glad to see they're going in with all guns blazing; clearly, they're going to go into DUB in a big way; they will want to build up to twice daily asap; that's particularly important for DUB, because although the currently planned afternoon departure offers plenty of connection opportunities, it's really the overnight departure (arriving into DXB at c.7-8am) which would allow the best departures to Oz.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:27 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 30):

And Sawtooth,
I try to avoid EIR for winter after a couple of hair raising flights. Note though that I avoid props in winter in general and you do have to admire the cojones of EIR flight deck and the 'stature' of the cabin crew in these circs. They WILL get you down!!!! Flybe could learn from them or their Loganair colleagues.

But EIR is the only regional carrier I use regularly, but for Xmas visit it's out of LHR and into BHX !!!!
Flown - EI;BA;RE;FR;WW;TW;TS;US;JP;JT;AT;QF;JQ;VB;NC;TR;D7;AA;IB;AF;SN;LX;SR;LH;AY;CX;CP;9K;9W;IX;AI;IC;EK;EY;GF;QR;BE;N
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:27 pm

Quoting kaitak (Reply 41):
it's really the overnight departure (arriving into DXB at c.7-8am) which would allow the best departures to Oz.

Someone tell Dermot Mannion that!!!!!
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:34 pm

I came back from UK last week and first thing that struck me around the airport espeically on Aircoach buses was EK advertising! LHR opens on christmas day but thankfully I have it off! Early LHR-BUD-LHR for me on 24th and standby on 26th meens Im happy! First 747 flight as crew next month and only 2nd ever to Vegas! Yayyyy!
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:36 pm

Quoting EI787 (Reply 40):

You've got to hand it to EK, they have one mighty advertising machine.....I can only speak for Dublin, but the city has been blitzed with EK adverts.

Its pretty amazing at the sheer size of this advertising campaign. The sides of Dublin Bus double deckers are covered in a floor to roof picture of the Burj Khalifa, and the majority of Billboards in Dublin are occupied by EK advertisements.

One word. Impressive!
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:37 pm

So do the new S12 TA schedules leave any gaps for additional 330 routes?
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:25 am

Quoting sawtooth (Reply 46):
So do the new S12 TA schedules leave any gaps for additional 330 routes?

I don't think so,am willing to be corrected but this looks like the EI A330 fleet usage for S12.

7 A330:
1 used for the SNN ops.
4 used to cover JFK, BOS, ORD daily flights from DUB.
1 for IAD-MAD.
1 used to op 2x MCO and 4x BOS from DUB.

That looks like 1 day a week with a 'spare' A330. Not enough to start a new service in my view.
We'll have to wait for S13 for native longhaul expansion.
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:12 am

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 30):
In winter? Bloody hell, if many of us had the choice we wouldn't book in summer,
Quoting Reply 42):
I try to avoid EIR for winter after a couple of hair raising flights. Note though that I avoid props in winter in general and you do have to admire the cojones of EIR flight deck and the 'stature' of the cabin crew in these circs.

The most unpleasant thing I've found about bouncing across the Irish Sea on EIR, is when you can see a bank of clouds in front. Given the low speed you're going, you can see them half an hour before you actually hit them, and since you're in an ATR, you know you can't just go OVER them like an FR 738 or EI 320 can. It was after an experience like that, in May I might add, I vowed never to risk such a flight in winter! FR can hit 30,000 Feet between LPL and ORK, that'll do for me  
2011 so far: LX (4), FR (2), EI (2), BE (2) - 4004 miles
 
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RE: Irish 23/11: Surfing The Jet Stream

Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:59 am

Quoting kaitak (Reply 41):

Indeed they are and saw loads of buses around DUB yesterday covered in EK Ads . Mind you they have been allocated a substantial budget to play with . EY are not happy one bit from what I have heard.

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